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[mauro2222]

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

Brains generate emotions through a combination of cognitive appraisal and bodily perception, that's easily replicated.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I am currently investigating different methods of programming synthesizers. I have 1024 screens open. Your question is important to me. Please wait.

You didn't talk to EDI on the Citadel much. She said that regarding human behavior.

Your forum tag for this response is appropriate since my reply was a total disconnect from the topic.

[Archontor]

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

 

Why we know what stimulates emotion in humans why can't we just simulate it?

[IscrewTali]

mauro2222 wrote...

By definition, your body is a machine. Your mind too.

This topic is about AI. Artificial Intelligence. I dont see it in your post.

[IscrewTali]

Archontor wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

 

Why we know what stimulates emotion in humans why can't we just simulate it?

Simulating is just that, Simulating. As in not true emotions.

[mauro2222]

IscrewTali wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

By definition, your body is a machine. Your mind too.

This topic is about AI. Artificial Intelligence. I dont see it in your post.

People are misusing the term machine as a derogatory term to put themselves over others.

[Grimwick]

Of course an AI is life. It is so by definition.


If the AI is sentient and self-aware then it has exactly the same rights as any other organism.

Anybody who claims an AI isn't a form of life doesn't understand what the definition of life actually is.

[Archontor]

IscrewTali wrote...

Archontor wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

 

Why we know what stimulates emotion in humans why can't we just simulate it?

Simulating is just that, Simulating. As in not true emotions.

 

Simulating the process not the emotion, like simulating a heartbeat to keep someone alive.

[o Ventus]

Sion1138 wrote...

Mass Effect dictionary needed.

But wait, why shouldn't you be able to make something that mimics the exact behaviour of a carbon based cell?

A metabolic process is just that, a process, it can be designed. 

Well, in order for a metabolic process to be present, you need a form of metabolism. Something that synthetics don't have.

[Grimwick]

IscrewTali wrote...

Archontor wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

 

Why we know what stimulates emotion in humans why can't we just simulate it?

Simulating is just that, Simulating. As in not true emotions.

That argument doesn't make any sense... If you have a perfect copy of an object there is no way to distinguish it from the 'original'. in fact, they are both 'originals'. Besides, you are applying anthropomorphism onto another sentient being by claiming it must have your emotions. 

That's racist.

[Grimwick]

o Ventus wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Mass Effect dictionary needed.

But wait, why shouldn't you be able to make something that mimics the exact behaviour of a carbon based cell?

A metabolic process is just that, a process, it can be designed. 

Well, in order for a metabolic process to be present, you need a form of metabolism. Something that synthetics don't have.

A metabolic process is a chemical reaction caused by the transfer of electrons.

A computing signal is a logical chain of events that is carried out by the transfer of electrons...

There is no distinguishable 'difference' in what actually occurs.

[Volc19]

I wouldn't call it "life", yet I recognize that AI (at least in the same sense as the Geth, EDI, and most other-media AI) are sapient beings. They are conscious, self aware, and intelligent. While it isn't life in a traditional sense, it is still a state of being that should be treated as equal to organic life.

[Enhanced]

Grimwick wrote...

Of course an AI is life. It is so by definition.


If the AI is sentient and self-aware then it has exactly the same rights as any other organism.

Anybody who claims an AI isn't a form of life doesn't understand what the definition of life actually is.

What defintion are you refering to?  An artificial intelligence is a fake, unnatural, imitation of life. Not an organism.

Modifié par Enhanced, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .

[recentio]

Shaking my head wearily at all the anthropocentrists here under the delusion that their own physics-governed biochemical form is "not a machine."

[mauro2222]

And what makes you not fake, natural and not an imitation. Your whole body is based on copies of copies, and synthetics are made with the same materials your are made of.

[Grimwick]

Enhanced wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Of course an AI is life. It is so by definition.


If the AI is sentient and self-aware then it has exactly the same rights as any other organism.

Anybody who claims an AI isn't a form of life doesn't understand what the definition of life actually is.

What defintion are you refering to?  An artificial intelligence is a fake, unnatural, imitation of life. Not an organism.

Life (cf. biota) - is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not.
An organism - is any contiguous living system . In at least some form, all types of organisms are capable of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development, and maintenance of homeostasisas a stable whole.

Nowhere in the definition of life, nor organism, is there a pre-requisite of being made from organic material.

Thinking as such is backwards thinking and is the kind of attitude which causes racial prejudice and discrimination.

[Grimwick]

Volc19 wrote...

I wouldn't call it "life", yet I recognize that AI (at least in the same sense as the Geth, EDI, and most other-media AI) are sapient beings. They are conscious, self aware, and intelligent. While it isn't life in a traditional sense, it is still a state of being that should be treated as equal to organic life.

It falls under the definition of life. 

See my previous post.

[o Ventus]

Grimwick wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Mass Effect dictionary needed.

But wait, why shouldn't you be able to make something that mimics the exact behaviour of a carbon based cell?

A metabolic process is just that, a process, it can be designed. 

Well, in order for a metabolic process to be present, you need a form of metabolism. Something that synthetics don't have.

A metabolic process is a chemical reaction caused by the transfer of electrons.

A computing signal is a logical chain of events that is carried out by the transfer of electrons...

There is no distinguishable 'difference' in what actually occurs.

I'll just quote wikipedia, since I'm not good at lengthy descriptions on my own--

Metabolism is usually divided into 2 categories. Catabolism breaks down organic matter, for example to harvest energy in cellular respiraton. Anabolism uses energy to contrsuct components of cells such as proteins or amino acids.

The metabolism of an organism will determine which substances it will find nutiritious and those it will find poisonous. For example, some prokaryotes will find hydrogen sulfide as a nutrient, yet this gas is poisonous to animals.

An organism needs a certain type and number of biochemicals to maintain a metabolism, such as amino acids, proteins, lipids,etc.

It isn't just "a reaction caused by the transfer of electrons".

[recentio]

mauro2222 wrote...

And what makes you not fake, natural and not an imitation. Your whole body is based on copies of copies, and synthetics are made with the same materials your are made of.

True. Biological cells regularly copy themselves through mitosis. Useful for self-repair and growth. Errors in this highly-regular process can result in cancer, among other things.

[Grimwick]

o Ventus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Mass Effect dictionary needed.

But wait, why shouldn't you be able to make something that mimics the exact behaviour of a carbon based cell?

A metabolic process is just that, a process, it can be designed. 

Well, in order for a metabolic process to be present, you need a form of metabolism. Something that synthetics don't have.

A metabolic process is a chemical reaction caused by the transfer of electrons.

A computing signal is a logical chain of events that is carried out by the transfer of electrons...

There is no distinguishable 'difference' in what actually occurs.

I'll just quote wikipedia, since I'm not good at lengthy descriptions on my own--

Metabolism is usually divided into 2 categories. Catabolism breaks down organic matter, for example to harvest energy in cellular respiraton. Anabolism uses energy to contrsuct components of cells such as proteins or amino acids.

The metabolism of an organism will determine which substances it will find nutiritious and those it will find poisonous. For example, some prokaryotes will find hydrogen sulfide as a nutrient, yet this gas is poisonous to animals.

An organism needs a certain type and number of biochemicals to maintain a metabolism, such as amino acids, proteins, lipids,etc.

It isn't just "a reaction caused by the transfer of electrons".

Then you misunderstand what a reaction is: it is the transfer of electrons.

The metabolism is governed by a variety of different chemical reactions but when it comes down to it, these reactions all involve the movement and transfer of electrons in different ways.

That's what Chemistry IS.

A synthetic 'brain' is no different in the fact that it's thought processes are governed by electrical stimulation.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Grimwick wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

Archontor wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

AI can never feel true emotions, everything is a series of 1 and 0 to them no matter what. Sentience, definetily. True emotions and being equal than that of an organic, no.

 

Why we know what stimulates emotion in humans why can't we just simulate it?

Simulating is just that, Simulating. As in not true emotions.

That argument doesn't make any sense... If you have a perfect copy of an object there is no way to distinguish it from the 'original'. in fact, they are both 'originals'. Besides, you are applying anthropomorphism onto another sentient being by claiming it must have your emotions. 

That's racist.

What doesn't make any sense is that we can not define emotion into one concrete definition. Neuroscience states that brains generate emotions through a combination of cognitive appraisal and bodily perception. Other scientific views state that emotions are perceptions of changes in your body such as heart rate, breathing rate, perspiration, and hormone levels.

Which of these are AI capable of? The problem with this argument is that everybodys's opinion is subjective.

The human body is a machine, just an organic one created through evolution. For no purpose, despite religious beliefs. AI would be built with a purpose. Whether or not they can/will/would surpass us is the will of their maker.

Modifié par Poshible, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:52 .

[mauro2222]

We have a purpose, to reproduce. That's the objective of all living things, to ensure their continued existence.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:53 .