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[Fox-snipe]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Fox-snipe wrote...

Still don't have a Krysae myself. Can't wait to try it, (not) see what all the fuss is about, and then toss it in the trash and go back to my headshots.

The Krysae just teaches poor sniper usage/habits.

That teaches poor skills is a poor argument. Do you lose skills sniping just because you play a melee krogan. Nope. Anyone can maximize their skills with any of the weapons once they are practiced enough.

Headshots can kill quicker there is no doubt on that mark. You can two-shot a phantom on gold while even with amps and all damage +  I take three with my infs.

You're interpretation of it makes it a poor argument.

I see people complaining about how others rely on the Krysae.  In those cases, yes, it most definitely teaches poor sniping habits.  It teaches you to not aim directly at a target in the case of spawns, and to aim around enemies who are in cover instead of trying to figure out where their head is and just firing through the cover.

Compare it to someone you described, who has excellent sniping skills and goes to play another class entirely.  If you switch back to a sniper I'm sure you realize it might take a bit of practice to get into the swing of things, but it will all come back to you in time.  You'll be back to headshooting enemies in no time at all.  Plus, being able to aim well with a sniper to headshot enemies translates damn near seamlessly into all other classes.  Pistol-toting Adepts can headshot targets they've frozen/lifted.  Vanguards can shotgun-headshot an enemy they've just charged.  Assault Rifles & SMGs will benefit since you'll be able to keep your aim on-target with less frustration.

If the claim (myth?) that all Krysae users suck and just fire randomly into a group/around cover to wipe out mobs holds true, it most certainly does teach poor habits.  The only other weapon it mirrors well is the Cobra.

[Pho Kadat]

Reload cancel + zoom-in double tap leads to some fairly epic destruction. I'll break it out on occasion as a slump buster. I think the double tap is a relative unknown.

[Riot Inducer]

puldalpha wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

1. Very slow sighting. It takes  along time and you do not get full damage bonus if you hip fire.

I'm pretty sure it gets the full damage if it is hip fired.

There is no denying the ability to be able to wipe an entire spawn in one clip without much effort. It does about as much damage as a mantis, but does that damage to a wide area and has 2 more shots then the mantis in its clip. If it wasn't for the krysae there wouldn't have been quite as much of an uproar against infiltrators. The Krysae ruined the multiplayer balance and is an abomination that should've been thought through much better. It rewards bad shooting with killstreaks and high scores, so clearly it is OP

No I'm pretty sure it gets the standard sniper penalty to hip firing. I use it often on my Krogan Sentinel as a long range weapon to compliment his shotgun and I notice a significant difference in damage when not using the scope.

As for claiming it's OP by its ability to wipe out a spawn of low level foes with one clip while using the "optimal" setup for it is a bit silly; explosive weapons, by their very nature are going to outperform all other weapons when enemies are thightly grouped. My human soldier can do the same thing with a Striker but I don't see threads calling for it to be nerfed.

At any rate I don't have much of a problem with it, the only thing I think that could use a tweaking is making it's AoE a bit smaller.

Modifié par Riot Inducer, 30 juin 2012 - 08:12 .

[Qror_pl]

megabeast37215 wrote...

The gun is for people who can't aim.

I auto-kick people with the Krysae from my lobbies.

So do I. Sadly other players don't understand why I'm trying to kick krysae noobs, or they sometimes try to kick me back.


Wrex.

[whateverman7]

Hakumen wrote...

Actually some people do more than 200.000 with it.

only way that's possible: they have horrible teammates that die early in every round leaving them to solo; and they complete objectives at the last sec, to extend spawns and provide more people to kill/more points....if that's the case, you would get a high score with any weapon.....does that mean all weapons are op?

[megawug]

IMHO, on a non-infiltrator, it is not overpowered. The Krysae has AoE, but it's damage isn't high enough to take out mobs too quickly. So a non-infiltrator tends to soften targets or kill targets softened by teammates.

But on an infiltrator, the Krysae IS overpowered. It then has both AoE and massive damage. It can take out mobs without any assistance. This is the key issue.

Nerfing the Krysae alone affects non-infiltrators. Nerfing tactical cloak affects all other sniper rifles. So IMHO, the best solution is to remove the TC sniper rifle damage bonus for the Krysae because that is the only situation when it is a problem.

[InvincibleHero]

MasterKad wrote...

I actually prefer using the widow over the krysae , I know exactly which target I am going to hit and can pull it off more efficiently, the krysae is a good sniper and I dont mind someone using it on my team unless I am a vorcha lol.

Krysae is really good to use against phantoms cause you dont need a direct hit

Exactly to have precise aiming with it requires care in shot placement against moving targets. It is easier with other guns to hit exactly what you want. A trash mob 10 meters away to your side will not deflect your widow shot which speedily goes right where you aim. Even shooting out the tower in dagger is a pain unless you are against the wall and zoomed out it will burst against the wall for zero damage. It is hard to fire over some wasit high like hydra unless you hang out and get shot.

Yeah but it needs to be close or direct on to do full damage. Splash isn't as great as people make it out ot be.

[joker_jack]

Ah this thread again.

[rnc007]

I'm a recovering Krysae addict - sure it's fun blowing up everything and easily topping scoreboards but it makes gold feel like silver and by and large the other Krysae infiltrators I've met have no business in gold. Now I only use it in PUGs when I think the group looks weak - its easy mode.

[InvincibleHero]

Hakumen wrote...

Leisure Muffin wrote...

It's sorta OP, but it's not like people are getting 200,000 points a game with it. The real issue some people have with it, is how simple it is to use. It caters to the unskilled.

Actually some people do more than 200.000 with it.

I've seen skilled people score that with drell adepts. That is without extending objecitve rounds. It takes at elast two sub-par teammates to make that possible. It can be done with any wepon or character combo.

[megabeast37215]

rnc007 wrote...

I'm a recovering Krysae addict - sure it's fun blowing up everything and easily topping scoreboards but it makes gold feel like silver and by and large the other Krysae infiltrators I've met have no business in gold. Now I only use it in PUGs when I think the group looks weak - its easy mode.

Thank you for your honesty.

[Mgamerz]

No, it's still op, since it's a sniper rifle that requires no aim

[Disciple888]

Krysae was a buff for non-infs, especially heavy classes that need staggering weapons to avoid stunlock. Shoulda been an assault rifle.

[Rivercurse]

Never really used it myself other than a coupla games worth of messing around when I unlocked it.  But I saw this video a while back.

www.youtube.com/watch

Looked pretty overpowered to me.

[capn233]

These are the ravings of a madman.

[Kastrenzo]

I wasn't even sure how to use it until I tried it yesterday, I had it on like, level 6 before I used it for the first time.

Let me get this straight, is it basically an airburst rifle? because it seems to do more damage when I shoot near someone, not at them.

[Javo2357]

ntrisley wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

1. Very slow sighting. It takes  along time and you do not get full damage bonus if you hip fire.

What?
The sighting is actually pretty quick if you're not holding down the fire button(which is what activates the "enhanced zoom" function)--and what's more you can queue up two shots almost instantaneously by holding down the fire button and then Cloaking->firing->firing again.

2. Slow reload.

Faster than the Widow/Harpoon Gun/Javelin. The Krysae reload speed isn't that bad at all.

3.Slow rate of fire

It's almost the same as a Valiant or Viper. That's pretty quick.
 

4. Weak damage overall compared to shotguns and other snipers and even pistols. 3 shot basic troopers in silver with non-inf.

...What?

5. Not precise. You often don't hit what you want to. Something moves in front you hit that instead. A teammate steps in front no damage for you.

That's not a problem with precision. That's a problem with situational awareness.

6. Splash damage doesn't do a whole lot. Even on my inf most of the time to take out three clustered basic troops takes 3 shots on gold.

Er what?
The splash damage does quite a bit--especially when you're playing as an Infiltrator and have Sniper amps and Incendiary/AP ammo on.

7. Projectiles are slow they can be dodged more easily. You have to become good with leading targets.

I don't know how you're having targets dodge your shots--I have yet to see anything beyond a Banshee jumping right as I fired dodge shots.

So in conclusion it takes a different set of skills to use and is no more OPthan the carnifex or GPS.

It really does not take a "different set of skills to use".
It's simple as learning how to lead targets and aiming for maximum airburst potential on clusters--then aiming for the target itself when dealing with big targets.

Lol I was going to address the points but this guy's pretty much covered it ^^

[Javo2357]

Kastrenzo wrote...

I wasn't even sure how to use it until I tried it yesterday, I had it on like, level 6 before I used it for the first time.

Let me get this straight, is it basically an airburst rifle? because it seems to do more damage when I shoot near someone, not at them.

Yes, it's basically an airburst rifle, although shots should do the most damage when they hit directly.

[Hakumen]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Hakumen wrote...

Leisure Muffin wrote...

It's sorta OP, but it's not like people are getting 200,000 points a game with it. The real issue some people have with it, is how simple it is to use. It caters to the unskilled.

Actually some people do more than 200.000 with it.

I've seen skilled people score that with drell adepts. That is without extending objecitve rounds. It takes at elast two sub-par teammates to make that possible. It can be done with any wepon or character combo.

I agree. But the thing is, Krysae doesn't require hard work, awesome skills etc to get 200K . Krysae is very simple to use. This weapon is a player ''equalizer''. Even people who dies 10 times per wave can make a lot of points with it. 

[Venth1]

Qror_pl wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The gun is for people who can't aim.

I auto-kick people with the Krysae from my lobbies.

So do I. Sadly other players don't understand why I'm trying to kick krysae noobs, or they sometimes try to kick me back.


Wrex.

This whole thread boils down to what 90% of the threads on these forums are about.

The 2 in the quote above need to be first on the scoreboard so they kick krysae users. An experienced Krysae user will 'steal their kills' because it excels in taking out groups which leads to large scores which leads to sad pandas with lower scores. enter the sharpshooting krysae kick police. epeen safe.

The OP is trying to justify using the krysae because its probably the only way he can consistently have a chance to be first on the scoreboard. Targeting groups with the krysae while hovering around spawns.  He feels guilty so hes trying to make it out to be a skill weapon. epeen safe.

nerf, buff, aim, cant aim. glitch. cry, whine moan. overpowered, underpowered. < 99% of posts having to do with any of these complaints on this forum are because X persons' personal scores are not stacking up and the easiest way to protect their ego is to cry foul over anything and everything.

All of these posts are because this is first and foremost a game where people equate skill and their personal worth at the game by the scoreboard regardless of waves completed. period. Completing wave 11 as a team with full extraction is a distant second in most me3 players minds. The real game is topping the 4 player scoreboard.

I <3 the black widow. I <3the krysae.

[Javo2357]

Disciple888 wrote...

Krysae was a buff for non-infs, especially heavy classes that need staggering weapons to avoid stunlock. Shoulda been an assault rifle.

This ^^^. Although we already had AOE rifles such as the Falcon and Striker so...idk, I don't have anything against the gun but I don't really see a place for it in the game other than for nuking spawns during speed runs and for the lulz

[megabeast37215]

Venth1 wrote...

Qror_pl wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The gun is for people who can't aim.

I auto-kick people with the Krysae from my lobbies.

So do I. Sadly other players don't understand why I'm trying to kick krysae noobs, or they sometimes try to kick me back.


Wrex.

This whole thread boils down to what 90% of the threads on these forums are about.

The 2 in the quote above need to be first on the scoreboard so they kick krysae users. An experienced Krysae user will 'steal their kills' because it excels in taking out groups which leads to large scores which leads to sad pandas with lower scores. enter the sharpshooting krysae kick police. epeen safe.

The OP is trying to justify using the krysae because its probably the only way he can consistently have a chance to be first on the scoreboard. Targeting groups with the krysae while hovering around spawns.  He feels guilty so hes trying to make it out to be a skill weapon. epeen safe.

nerf, buff, aim, cant aim. glitch. cry, whine moan. overpowered, underpowered. < 99% of posts having to do with any of these complaints on this forum are because X persons' personal scores are not stacking up and the easiest way to protect their ego is to cry foul over anything and everything.

All of these posts are because this is first and foremost a game where people equate skill and their personal worth at the game by the scoreboard regardless of waves completed. period. Completing wave 11 as a team with full extraction is a distant second in most me3 players minds. The real game is topping the 4 player scoreboard.

I <3 the black widow. I <3the krysae.

I didn't pay 60$ to sit around and watch a GI kill everything with a Krysae. It makes the game not fun for other players... especially biotics.

[Pride Demon]

pretatta wrote...

the only problem with krysae is it is not actually a sniper riffle.

Well, to be honest neither is the Falcon an actual AR, the Scorpion a pistol and the Graal a shotgun...
We have plenty of weapons that are not actually what they should be, but there no problem with them, many people have a problem with the Krysae however and I don't think that's the reason...

As for me I don't really get on well with that weapon at all. I admit  I can't see what the fuss is all about, then again since I perform sub par with it, I'm probably biased due to my inhability to handle it properly...

[Mindlog]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I didn't pay 60$ to sit around and watch a GI kill everything with a Krysae. It makes the game not fun for other players... especially biotics.

I can kill everything with a lot of other stuff too. Does that get me kicked?

[Blind2Society]

The reasons I can come up with?

- It fires blanks more often than not

- It will hit the swarmer right in front of you rather than the marauder that is tearing you apart.

- Killing ravagers is a major issue do to the swarmer thing, and this shows just how little of AoE affect the weapon has as it will kill the swarmer still basically inside the ravager but not harm the ravager itself at all.

Basically it just boils down to the gun hitting what's closest to you and not what you're aiming at and it firing blanks so often.


That said, the KrysaeX on my MQI 6/6/0/6/6 is still my issurance policy for bad public gold teams and tough matches.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 30 juin 2012 - 09:28 .