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[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

TriggerWolves wrote...

Bioware definitely thought about this idea at one point. Look at this disabled scene where Wynne suspects you of being a blood mage all voice-acted:

I see nothing in this but epic-ness in a raw, pure form.

This should be how it is always in a DA game. Thank you for sharing, Sir.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Just wondering, but do you think that they might make the rogue's specializations play into the story more like the mages' and then warriors'?

[The Hierophant]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Just wondering, but do you think that they might make the rogue's specializations play into the story more like the mages' and then warriors'?

The only thing that comes to mind is a cutscene in which a rogue pc bumps into a guard stealing their keys, or something. The devs could add a sneak function into the rogue gameplay.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

The Hierophant wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Just wondering, but do you think that they might make the rogue's specializations play into the story more like the mages' and then warriors'?

The only thing that comes to mind is a cutscene in which a rogue pc bumps into a guard stealing their keys, or something. The devs could add a sneak function into the rogue gameplay.

True, unless they tell us that the assassin actually is similair to the reaver and blood mage, in that he must make a pact to gain is other-worldly skills, and that this has gone over looked by the masses until recently.

Either that or that prostiute thing will come into play.......... god I hope not...

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It might be nice, but I don't consider it necessary. People should not be able to tell your specialisation just by looking at you anyway.

Not by looking at you, no.  But it does stand to reason that if you have templar abilities, nearby mages are going to stand up and take notice if magical fields are being canceled, and pinpoint the person causing it.  I would imagine a mage can probably sense such a disruption in a similar way that templars can sense magic.  Likewise, while no one would recognize you as a blood mage while you were just standing about, they would definitely notice if a person was flashing a knife and cutting into their own flesh, then causing magick-y things to happen. 

Perhaps.

But in DA2's case, other blood mages were running all over Hightown at night and Hawke was the only one dealing with them.

I don't find it surprising or immersion-breaking that Hawke is not identified as a blood magic user. Kirkwall's templars are clearly incompetent. Given Meredith's tendency to accuse anyone and everyone of blood magic, except actual blood mages, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the men under her command simply had no idea what the hell they were supposed to be looking for.

That's a problem with the writing, and it's an egregious enough flaw that I put it in the same category as story/mechanics separation.  Sure, the story as provided to us becomes canon, but there's only so much directly contradictory lore a person can take before they're forced to just ignore the nonsensical bits because there is literally no way to harmonize the contradiction.  So I DO find it immersion breaking, just because parts of the story are so sloppily written that it's just...no.

[Silfren]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Pzykozis wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Whether it can be learned from a book, is probably debatable.

Jowan...?

Only
thing I'd be slightly confused about with this is how it'd really stretch to rogues, bit of bias as they're my main class I play, but they don't really have a particularly personality and or lifestyle defining specialisation.

I'm not sure if it states that he learned it from a book, but what I am sure of, though, is that it says he "dabbled with blood magic".

In the world of dragon age, I'm sure the books don't teach you how to use it, rather they teach you how to make a pact with a demon to attain it.

Jowan specifically states that he doesn't mess with demons, but in addition to what he himself says, we have the rather strong hints that he, and others, could learn blood magic through books--shown by the fact that books on blood magic were deliberately left around where apprentices could access this, and you'll pardon me if I DON'T believe that apprentices could just summon demons, given how heavy-handed even the Ferelden Circle was on even the hint of the possibility of such, and how closely apprentices are watched and guarded over by not just the templars but all the senior mages. 

Modifié par Silfren, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:40 .

[KingRoxas]

Q:Do you want your class and specializations to have real world effects in DA3?

A: Yes!

[LobselVith8]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

I'm not sure if it states that he learned it from a book, but what I am sure of, though, is that it says he "dabbled with blood magic".

In the world of dragon age, I'm sure the books don't teach you how to use it, rather they teach you how to make a pact with a demon to attain it.

The Orlesian Warden (a learned scholar of the arcane arts) can ask the Baroness to teach him blood magic at a time when he (or she) believes the Baroness is simply another mage. The history of Thedas has some scholars speculate that the Arlathan elves taught the Tevinter mages blood magic. It's unlikely that you only learn from demons if it's speculated that mages taught other mages.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

LobselVith8 wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

I'm not sure if it states that he learned it from a book, but what I am sure of, though, is that it says he "dabbled with blood magic".

In the world of dragon age, I'm sure the books don't teach you how to use it, rather they teach you how to make a pact with a demon to attain it.

The Orlesian Warden (a learned scholar of the arcane arts) can ask the Baroness to teach him blood magic at a time when he (or she) believes the Baroness is simply another mage. The history of Thedas has some scholars speculate that the Arlathan elves taught the Tevinter mages blood magic. It's unlikely that you only learn from demons if it's speculated that mages taught other mages.

Yes, but due to our lack of being in the game world of DA, we do not know if these books tell you "wave your hand like this and chant this and blood magic will happen" or, if it states "the way to contact a demon and get blood magic successfuly is this"

The game never states how Jowan learned blood magic. Whether the Warden could learn it from a book could have been a ploy to save time and money. Alas, we shall not know until we learn what the books say and teach exactly.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Silfren wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Pzykozis wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Whether it can be learned from a book, is probably debatable.

Jowan...?

Only
thing I'd be slightly confused about with this is how it'd really stretch to rogues, bit of bias as they're my main class I play, but they don't really have a particularly personality and or lifestyle defining specialisation.

I'm not sure if it states that he learned it from a book, but what I am sure of, though, is that it says he "dabbled with blood magic".

In the world of dragon age, I'm sure the books don't teach you how to use it, rather they teach you how to make a pact with a demon to attain it.

Jowan specifically states that he doesn't mess with demons, but in addition to what he himself says, we have the rather strong hints that he, and others, could learn blood magic through books--shown by the fact that books on blood magic were deliberately left around where apprentices could access this, and you'll pardon me if I DON'T believe that apprentices could just summon demons, given how heavy-handed even the Ferelden Circle was on even the hint of the possibility of such, and how closely apprentices are watched and guarded over by not just the templars but all the senior mages. 

Like I mentioned before, whether he deals with demons or not are taken solely on his word. He wanted to be more powerful than you (the warden) so he would do anytyhing, which is what led him to blood magic. The game never states that he learned it from a book or what exactly the books tell you to do in order to learn it. 

Demons don't need to be summoned in order to learn blood magic. Everyone enters the fade through their dreams, mages can do it more often and know what is actually going on or where they are (unless under mind control of a demon) and could, in theory, learn blood magic in their sleep without making a big ruckus.

And don't forget about the blood mages that were in the tower already.

[LobselVith8]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Orlesian Warden (a learned scholar of the arcane arts) can ask the Baroness to teach him blood magic at a time when he (or she) believes the Baroness is simply another mage. The history of Thedas has some scholars speculate that the Arlathan elves taught the Tevinter mages blood magic. It's unlikely that you only learn from demons if it's speculated that mages taught other mages.

Yes, but due to our lack of being in the game world of DA, we do not know if these books tell you "wave your hand like this and chant this and blood magic will happen" or, if it states "the way to contact a demon and get blood magic successfuly is this"

The game never states how Jowan learned blood magic. Whether the Warden could learn it from a book could have been a ploy to save time and money. Alas, we shall not know until we learn what the books say and teach exactly.

I think they are simply books. If you can be taught verbally, why not through literature, too? Even Anders asks Merrill if she learned blood magic by accidentally cutting herself. I don't see Jowan getting the upper hand on a demon.

[byzantine horse]

Of course the character's class, specialization, race and gender should have an impact on how the world responds to you, that's how RPGs should work when you have the choice to customize like that. If the world won't recognize your choices then the choices may as wlel not be there imo, the game will be better served for it. Rather a good game without too many choices than a lesser game with choices that make players go "the game doesn't recognize my decisions!".

Modifié par byzantine horse, 08 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .

[Fredward]

Yes. If I'm playing a mage I DEFINITELY want the game to allow me to throw a fireball at those damn kids on my lawn.


Nah but srsly I do. It made less than no sense being a mage and throwing fireballs in front of everyone, their little sister and the pet dog without anyone commenting on it.