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[Plutar]

http://www.forbes.co...3-extended-cut/

[Plutar]

My bad, didn't enter the link correctly.

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/06/30/bioware-deserves-credit-for-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/

[The Angry One]

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

[Beliar86]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Entirely too serious and whiny about not getting your way in a video game

[nitefyre410]

They get some credit.. do they big heaping amounts of praise...

No..

It did what it was supposed to do and it was the bare essentials at that, it does not excuse the exist problems with the Mass Effect 3 plot, their complete and utter lack of quality control. and there childish handling of criticism by hiding behind the false praise that sites lie IGN heap on them.  

Through at this point I am rather tired of reharshing those same talking points. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

[The Angry One]

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

ME3 deviates from the theme of the series. You just want to deny me my ending because you feel it threatens yours.
In the end, that shows how weak your ending is.

[savionen]

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

ME3 deviates from the theme of the series. You just want to deny me my ending because you feel it threatens yours.
In the end, that shows how weak your ending is.

ME3 may as well be a different franchise, that just happens to have the same characters as Mass Effect.

[wantedman dan]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Completely agreed.

[The Night Mammoth]

They deserve some credit for at least acknowledging pretty much nothing made any semblance of sense, and attempting to fix some parts.

Before both the ideas and the execution of them were terrible. Now the execution is agreeable in some aspects, but the ideas are still mostly the piles of sh*t they always were. 

So I can admire that the ending at least has a reasonably consistent tone.

Though I almost want to strip away any given credit for essentialy outright lying about half a dozen things. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[Jenonax]

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

You talk about horrible storytelling then cite a massive Deus Ex Machine as the only way to conclude a storyline as a good thing?  Go learn what actual good storytelling is and then come back.

[BoomDynamite]

I liked the original ending, so EC was just icing on the cake. Good job BioWare. Keep up the good work, and for the record, the two things I hated in the series were ME2 Appearance Packs and ME2 characters not being important in ME3, except for Miranda and Thane. Now only if you can make sure DA3 doesn't end up like DA2.

Modifié par BoomDynamite, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:17 .

[wantedman dan]

Jenonax wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

You talk about horrible storytelling then cite a massive Deus Ex Machine as the only way to conclude a storyline as a good thing?  Go learn what actual good storytelling is and then come back.

No, the Crucible was not a Deus Ex Machina.

It was a MacGuffin, which is still poor storytelling.

[Cyne]

They do deserve credit for fixing some aspects of the ending. To be sure, this kind of gesture is rare in the gaming industry, they could have ignored it and no one would've been surprised. Did it make the ending perfect? NO NO NO not by a very long shot, but it did make it better than before.

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

ME3 deviates from the theme of the series. You just want to deny me my ending because you feel it threatens yours.

It does not deviate from the themes of the series at all. In fact, if I recall correctly, Shepard has already achieved countless impossibilities in the game, getting many disparate races to unite under his banner to defeat the Reapers at Earth with the Crucible and Catalyst. The main theme of Mass Effect that overlies everything is choice, and choice comes with a sacrifice. Your "ending" is non-existent because it is simply not a valid option.

In the end, that shows how weak your ending is.

At least my ending doesn't end up with trillions of dead like yours does, but I'll bite: my ending involves saving all life and improving it. Your ending means making a moral decision to not use the Crucible, which results in the cycle continuing. You refuse, you lose. BioWare didn't "deny" you your ending. It's clear that it's impossible. You want to rewrite the whole trilogy and destroy the theme of the Reapers being the unstoppable horrors from beyond?

[saracen16]

Jenonax wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

You talk about horrible storytelling then cite a massive Deus Ex Machine as the only way to conclude a storyline as a good thing?  Go learn what actual good storytelling is and then come back.

I'm a writer. The Crucible is a MacGuffin, not a DXM. The Catalyst is also not a DXM because he is introduced. I think it's you who needs to learn what good storytelling is and not parrot every single blurb spat out by the "I hate the starbrat" fan club.

[Ice Eyes]

Bioware deserves credit. I hope ME3 makes GOTY.

[The Night Mammoth]

wantedman dan wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

You talk about horrible storytelling then cite a massive Deus Ex Machine as the only way to conclude a storyline as a good thing?  Go learn what actual good storytelling is and then come back.

No, the Crucible was not a Deus Ex Machina.

It was a MacGuffin, which is still poor storytelling.

The Crucible is a wierd hybrid that I can only describe as a Deus Ex MacGuffinus. It carries traits from both to make something far worse than either. 

[Dresden867]

TAO: What you wanted (and you've said it for months now) was an ending in which the Starchild was refusable -and- you still win, or one where the Starchild never even existed.

It was stated up front that you were not going to get that. You don't even have a dog -in- this discussion. EC was never, never, ever going to satisfy you.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

No, the Crucible was not a Deus Ex Machina.

It was a MacGuffin, which is still poor storytelling.

People use to argue that the starchild was the MacGuffin and the Crucible was the Deus Ex Machina.
And now you come along and tell everyone they're wrong.

[The Night Mammoth]

saracen16 wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

Not gonna happen, unless you want to change the entire story. Having a different ending for refusal makes for HORRIBLE STORYTELLING. It deviates from the crux of ME3: the Crucible is the ONLY WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS. The evidence is there in the game.

You talk about horrible storytelling then cite a massive Deus Ex Machine as the only way to conclude a storyline as a good thing?  Go learn what actual good storytelling is and then come back.

I'm a writer. The Crucible is a MacGuffin, not a DXM. The Catalyst is also not a DXM because he is introduced....

....... at the end. 

Which makes it a DEM. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[wantedman dan]

saracen16 wrote...

I'm a writer. The Crucible is a MacGuffin, not a DXM. The Catalyst is also not a DXM because he is introduced. I think it's you who needs to learn what good storytelling is and not parrot every single blurb spat out by the "I hate the starbrat" fan club.

What?

The concept of the catalyst was introduced well before, however the notion that he was "TEH KING OF TEH REEPRZ LAWL" was literally thrown in at the very end.

[Festilence]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

What would that alteration to Rejection be?

[wantedman dan]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

No, the Crucible was not a Deus Ex Machina.

It was a MacGuffin, which is still poor storytelling.

People use to argue that the starchild was the MacGuffin and the Crucible was the Deus Ex Machina.
And now you come along and tell everyone they're wrong.

Way to cite vague and indefinite sources to prove some nonsensical point you're making.

That's like saying, "Well, they say that you're douchebag." I'd be happy to believe them, but who is the "they" of which I speak?

[The Night Mammoth]

Festilence wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nope.
I don't feel I was listened to, I don't feel my concerns were addressed. I feel directly insulted.

Can't please everyone? A minor alteration to rejection, and they would've pleased me and a lot of others, while pleasing the rest with their endings. This notion is false, and BioWare deserve no credit.

What would that alteration to Rejection be?

Being able to beat the Reapers with super-high EMS, if I assume correctly. 

Which is far more narratively coherent than any of the three options presented.