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[The Angry One]

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or you can pick refusal and screw over everybody while the next cycle has to deal with the reapers.

I thought its Reapers who screw over everybody and you still doing everything you could to stop that? Without becoming the murderer or a god, you know...

[Reptilian Rob]

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Nice.

Double nice.

[Reptilian Rob]

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

Synthesis. 

We are now all inside each other.

[pikey1969]

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

Synthesis.

[Muhkida]

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

Something interesting.....

EDIT : COMBO BREAKER!

Modifié par Muhkida, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

Well yeah, like I said, moderate to heavy damage. I imagine it depends on the distance the relay had to throw the charge, or random bad luck.
The point is they no longer go up in a fireball. A relay being damaged, even if it falls into pieces is a huge, huge difference with relays exploding into bits.

Keep in mind I say that this is a good thing as it gives the galaxy a future again. I do not think it had one without them, not at this level of devastation.

But given the possible break points on that relay it MIGHT have gone up in a fireball.  It just blew into larger chunks than the OE relay cutscene shows.

But even in Control, the damage is extensive and takes time to fix.  And in Destroy they imply they can fix it anyway, even without the Reapers like in Control.  So obviously even despite such massive damage, the galaxy has a future anyway.

(Sorry, I don't mean to nitpick, but I feel this is an important point to make)

[Baronesa]

BWAHAHHAHAa

Rob, Legion?

you killed me with that answer.


"Synthesis"

Well played.

And some levity to calm down the discussion is appreciated.

[Jamie9]

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem like you have a choice Angry One. 

[RiouHotaru]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

Synthesis. 

We are now all inside each other.

Kinky!

And if you want TAO, Nesa, that's fine, I get Turian Bob here and we're both happy campers 

[Jamie9]

@the Relay image

For all we know, the Reapers could be building a brand new Relay there.

[Reptilian Rob]

Baronesa wrote...

BWAHAHHAHAa

Rob, Legion?

you killed me with that answer.


"Synthesis"

Well played.

And some levity to calm down the discussion is appreciated.

Mass Effect in a nutshell. 



That's why if you pick Synthesis there is a massive orgy of shame, dispair and buttsecks. 

[RiouHotaru]

Jamie9 wrote...

@the Relay image

For all we know, the Reapers could be building a brand new Relay there.

This is possible as well (Given that the Reapers made the Relays to begin with).

I guess the thing is, even with the EC, we're not presented with enough information to make a clear determination.  All we know is:

Relays broke (to what level is debatable)

They are fixed (by who depends on said ending)

[Blacklash93]

The Angry One wrote...
Wait what is this turning into? 

*Unzips fly*

 Let's get this over with, everyone. I have an appointment soon.

That's why if you pick Synthesis there is a massive orgy of shame, dispair and buttsecks.

 
I can get down with that, especially if Legion's corpse is involved. He isn't Synthesized being dead and all, is he? That would be weird.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:34 .

[The Angry One]

Jamie9 wrote...

As agricultural abilities aren't described on each planet, I hope we can agree to disagree.

We both agree it's a retcon. You think they would starve in the original ending, I do not. There's no way to argue it without headcanon so we might as well end that argument here.

I'm not saying every system would die, but places like Sol would be in for very bad times.
Again, the new low EMS destroy alludes to this, what with Hackett on a wrecked ship hoping that people actually survive this mess, and one dude stumbling around in a nuclear wasteland.

I could make a comparison to the Genophage, and the possibility of all life being killed? But, you're right, it's not the same as synthesis.

The genophage was a good example of grey morality within the series, although ME2 could get a little ham-fisted if you're a Paragon. But it's basically what the ending should have been and failed at.

Does it matter? The Consensus is just a way for all life (previously only Geth) to talk and compare thoughts, ideals, morals, goals.

The Geth use the Consensus as their democracy, but it's just really a giant hologram-forum where people can express their thoughts and memories etc.

The Geth work that way because they were built to work that way. Individual Geth have no personal ambition, no desire to subjigate their fellows.
Humans and other species aren't like that. They're not "ready" for such a thing, and having it forced on them disturbs me.

Well, nothing is ever necessary. Improving technology is never necessary, just beneficial.

Technology does come out of necessity and improvement.
Cultures that have everything they want tend to stagnate. Computer development is so fast because the more you use computers, the more memory and processing power you need, etc.

TAgain, this is coming down to: we both have very clear different definitions of what Synthesis does. I believe it gives all organics synthetic traits and vice versa. I don't think everyone is the same after that. Asari are still different from humans. Humans are still different from Geth. Their cultures still differ, just now they have many of the same abilities.

And they're all part synthetic, which is a huge problem to me.

If explained, would people be more rational? The Reapers are helping them rebuild their homes after all. That's a pretty big change.

Like I said, people are irrational. They wouldn't care that the Reapers were being controlled, they'd just see their parent's/sibling's/lover's/friend's/child's killer.

And even then, can we justify killing an entire race? Because of people's prejudices and ignorance (Unfortune, and sad though it may be)?

The Reapers declared war on all life, it's as justified as it can be in the name of survival. When the alternative is compromising all beings without their consent it's just not something that even crosses my mind.

[KotorEffect3]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or you can pick refusal and screw over everybody while the next cycle has to deal with the reapers.

I thought its Reapers who screw over everybody and you still doing everything you could to stop that? Without becoming the murderer or a god, you know...

Inaction when you can do something to stop the cycles forever makes you guilty.  If I see someone is getting attacked by a wild animal and I can do something to stop it but I don't then I am guilty for whatever ends up happening to this person because I could have stopped it.  Shepard has the chance to end a nightmare that has been going on in the galaxy for millions of years and yet you won't because of some personal principal you have?  The deaths of those trillions are on your hands.  You had the power to end it but you didn't just because you didn't want to make the hard decision.

[RiouHotaru]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

That's why if you pick Synthesis there is a massive orgy of shame, dispair and buttsecks. 

You say buttsecks like it's a bad thing, Bob >:|

[Reptilian Rob]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So, are you guys making love or not? That's the only reason I'm still here.

...She's a girl, and I'm a guy.

I'm also gay.

So no.  Now, you?~

I'm a girl... she is a girl...

Can I replace you?

Wait what is this turning into? 

Synthesis. 

We are now all inside each other.

Kinky!

And if you want TAO, Nesa, that's fine, I get Turian Bob here and we're both happy campers 

*Location California.*

I feel like I need several restraining orders and possibly a hired secruity company. 

[Muhkida]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Mass Effect in a nutshell. 



That's why if you pick Synthesis there is a massive orgy of shame, dispair and buttsecks. 

So synthesis is endless sodomy?  You know if the Catalyst told me that from the beginning....

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or you can pick refusal and screw over everybody while the next cycle has to deal with the reapers.

I thought its Reapers who screw over everybody and you still doing everything you could to stop that? Without becoming the murderer or a god, you know...

Inaction when you can do something to stop the cycles forever makes you guilty.  If I see someone is getting attacked by a wild animal and I can do something to stop it but I don't then I am guilty for whatever ends up happening to this person because I could have stopped it.

Well, sure, but its not that clearcut in ME sadly?
If saving him from wild animal will require you to not to do just "something", but to shoot through somebody else, you will consider thrice, right?

[felipejiraya]

This thread amuses me.

[savionen]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or you can pick refusal and screw over everybody while the next cycle has to deal with the reapers.

I thought its Reapers who screw over everybody and you still doing everything you could to stop that? Without becoming the murderer or a god, you know...

Inaction when you can do something to stop the cycles forever makes you guilty.  If I see someone is getting attacked by a wild animal and I can do something to stop it but I don't then I am guilty for whatever ends up happening to this person because I could have stopped it.  Shepard has the chance to end a nightmare that has been going on in the galaxy for millions of years and yet you won't because of some personal principal you have?  The deaths of those trillions are on your hands.  You had the power to end it but you didn't just because you didn't want to make the hard decision.

How it was implemented as it is yeah, it's a pretty worthless option.

 Hindsight is 20/20 though. If Refusal were part of the original ending I wouldn't see it this way.I would have chosen it, but would have expected different results than Shepard standing there for half a minute doing nothing and it cutting to black. In ME1/ME2 style I would have expected Refusal to lead to a boss fight, or at the very least attempting to covince the Catalyst he was wrong.

[Reptilian Rob]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

That's why if you pick Synthesis there is a massive orgy of shame, dispair and buttsecks. 

You say buttsecks like it's a bad thing, Bob >:|

I never said that, Starchild did. Or did he? Probably, he hates everything we like. 

[RiouHotaru]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I feel like I need several restraining orders and possibly a hired secruity company. 

*Le gasp!*  A fellow Californian!  AWESOME!

[Bourne Endeavor]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Those options are terrible even if you assume complete honesty from the Catalyst. When you imagine it's manipulating you and lying to you, it just gets comical.

Catalyst: Break it here and it will do Magic Thing 1! Interfere with its energy conduit here and it will do Magic Thing 2! Insert a human-sized blockage into its power source here and it will do Magic Thing 3! None of these are ways to sabotage the Reaper-killing weapon you just made, honest! Did I mention I created all the Reapers?

But to assume it's manipulating or lying to you is ridiculous.  If you argue about Control, he openly states "I don't like the idea of you replacing me either, but if you pick that I can't stop you."

Also, we know it doesn't sabotage the Crucible because of the endings.

Ever consider he is manipulating you with that statement? How do we know his true motivations are not to ensure the cycle is maintained and the Reapers survive? For argument sake, I will cite Control where Shepard's fusion with the Crucible creates an AI embodiment of her will that carries out what it perceives are Shepard's intentions and will become a "guardian of the galaxy." What if AI Shepard gradually determines the races are a threat to the galaxy for whatever reason and thus concludes the best course is to "cleanse" the galaxy to make why for new life?

That fundamental flaw is why the endings are mediocre at absolute best. There is no evidence to suggest the Catalyst is not lying. We merely are told to believe it at face value.

RiouHotaru wrote...

No, Bioware stated "That wasn't the message we intended to send."  Did you listen to the podcast?  Or do you ignore that too?

No, it does not work that way. Have you heard in the news lately how a Tennis player kicked an official but later said he meant to kick the chair? While the latter may have been his intent, the former is what actually happened. This analogy applies to BioWare. They can claim whatever they wish however when the narrative contradicts them, it does not matter. All we have to go on regarding Relay explosions is Arrival. There is no exposition to insinuate the Crucible beam will trigger a different explosion. Instead, all we witnessed was a violent one in the original ending. BioWare realized this mistake and changed it.

That is a retcon no matter how you slice it. Either they retconned Arrival or the ending. If nothing else, I do not accept plot points from twitter or youtube. Either put it in the game or it does not count.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:39 .