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[Zaire Taylor]

The Protheans took centuries to go down, and our cylce is stronger than them because of our diversity of species.  I'd like to see what happens to my squadmates.  Doesn't have to be long, but maybe I could see the Normandy blow up, or Hackett's last stand, or see the final spacefaring species extinguished.  There's a lot of time, possibly 500 years even, that passes between my rejection of the Catalyst and the end of the war.  I don't even have to see it all in motion pictures, it could be in PowerPoint form like the other endings.  Just something.

[garrusfan1]

Honestly I think they are gonna add to it

[mass perfection]

Agreed.

[Clayless]

Some people think the refusal ending is a slap in the face, could you imagine how they'd react when they see an indoctrinated Garrus omni-blade Tali in her stomach?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:14 .

[Squallypo]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Honestly I think they are gonna add to it

add??

[SamFlagg]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Some people think the refusal ending is a slap in the face, could you imagine how they'd react when they see an indoctrinated Garrus omni-blade Tali in her stomach?

Honestly when I first saw it my reaction was rage for about 30 seconds.

Then in was about 30 seconds of rage at myself for not realizing themeatically that Shepard is basically sacrificing his entire cycle both for the ideal that we will not play God, aaaaaaaaaaand provide a future cycle an actual chance to defeat the reapers.  Which it seems they actually do.

From a this cycle standpoint, it pretty much sucks, but from a larger narrative standpoint its actually not half bad.  That isn't to say that I wouldn't have taken more from it, last stands and all.

[D24O]

1) limited time and resources
2) Intentional for lotsa speculation
3) a middle finger to the people who don't like their artistic vision (this one is much more likley if the tweets about the next cycle using the Crucible are true.)

Take your pick.

Modifié par D24O, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:21 .

[Versus Omnibus]

It's short because of a short development schedule.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

I believe all endings got equal amount of what have being *added*.
Since original "refusal ending" was just the "critical mission failure" screen, it ended being shortest in EC.

[garrusfan1]

Squallypo wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Honestly I think they are gonna add to it

add??

I have a theory there gonna add something to the endings like a reunion (for destroy) or a possible win with refusal with some of the upcoming dlc. You know like the levithean dlc that is talked about I think it might add to the refusal ending or an LI reunion

[Aaleel]

I just figured they wanted to spare people the gory details. I don't know if I would have any interest in watching friends and allies systematically reaped, or a picture of the human reaper.

[AwesomeDudex64]

Cause it's a giant middle finger.

[De1ta G]

They didn't want to actually show bad things happening at the end. People already complain that the ending isn't a happy ending. Watching their favorite squadmates die would infuriate them.

[Squallypo]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Honestly I think they are gonna add to it

add??

I have a theory there gonna add something to the endings like a reunion (for destroy) or a possible win with refusal with some of the upcoming dlc. You know like the levithean dlc that is talked about I think it might add to the refusal ending or an LI reunion

then that addition is gonna have to be "free" though cause theres no way they gonna add something like that related to the endings , people would flip out.

[garrusfan1]

Squallypo I have seen a lot of people say they would buy it

[Squallypo]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Squallypo I have seen a lot of people say they would buy it

that doesnt mean the other % of the people plus the media will take it nicely , that they give you an EC "unfinished" just saying.

[Zaire Taylor]

De1ta G wrote...

They didn't want to actually show bad things happening at the end. People already complain that the ending isn't a happy ending. Watching their favorite squadmates die would infuriate them.

Well, we already know they're going to die.  Why not after Liara says "Here is a recounting of our story..." show a PowerPoint presentation of ships exploding and maybe the dead bodies of our teammates or something at the Reapers' hands?  If you don't want to see your teammates die, don't choose the ending where you sacrifice them for the greater good.

[CheeseEnchilada]

With how short it is and how little Shepard actually does, I figured Refusal was supposed to be considered a non-standard game over rather than a real ending. Since the player probably isn't meant to pick that one, I can't see them adding to it.

[garrusfan1]

Squallypo wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Squallypo I have seen a lot of people say they would buy it

that doesnt mean the other % of the people plus the media will take it nicely , that they give you an EC "unfinished" just saying.

 Oh I wasn't trying to be insulting if it came off that way sorry if it did and yeah some would be

[Squallypo]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Squallypo I have seen a lot of people say they would buy it

that doesnt mean the other % of the people plus the media will take it nicely , that they give you an EC "unfinished" just saying.

 Oh I wasn't trying to be insulting if it came off that way sorry if it did and yeah some would be

hehe not to worry 

[SamFlagg]

De1ta G wrote...

They didn't want to actually show bad things happening at the end. People already complain that the ending isn't a happy ending. Watching their favorite squadmates die would infuriate them.

On this I think it all would've been in presentation.  Shepard refuses we have what we have now.  Something more or less indicates the crucible isn't going to fire, Hackett Orders a retreat, all the ships start falling back, then the Normandy breaks formation and starts heading back under the logic of "We're Done Admiral, but maybe we can take a few more of these squid bastards wtih us."

Cut to the Geth Fleet breaking off from the retreat, and turning to engage, cut to the krogans turning to engage, cut to the Turians turning to engage.  With that much of the fleet breaking the retreat Admiral Hackett gives the order, all ships fight t the last.

The fleet still gets anhilliated but the reapers take immensely significant losses  (not in context of actualy being able to beat them, but in context of cutting down their numbers for the next cycle, and the whole thing goes out on vid comm everywhere.)

Normandy sarficies herself and destroys soverign.

Cut to rebellion forces across the galaxy taking a few reapers at a time and then suiciding.  The reapers of course still reap and create more reapers, but the numbers are far below replenishment  and somewhat staggering to the reapers.  Next cycle just wipes them clean out.

Or at least I would've thought an Alamo style ending would've been cool.

[davishepard]

Refusal is short because is a dumb choice.
During the whole ME3 Shepard knows that the Crucible is the only hope to defeat the Reapers, and he make alliances to build the fleet that would escort it.
Then, s/he chooses not to use it, knowing what would happen.
So yeah.

[Arturia Pendragon]

SamFlagg wrote...

Honestly when I first saw it my reaction was rage for about 30 seconds.

I laughed and applauded BioWare for having the guts to do it, then I remembered I'd have to replay from Marauder Shields again and just felt meh. I should point out that I didn't refuse during the conversation, I just decided to shoot him in the head for old time's sake. The "SO BE IT!" made me jump.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .

[Bill Casey]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

I believe all endings got equal amount of what have being *added*.
Since original "refusal ending" was just the "critical mission failure" screen, it ended being shortest in EC.

The Critical Mission Failure screen still exists...
Walk up to a choice and then walk away from it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:45 .

[Mike 9987]

Not only that. It makes zero sense. Hundreds if not thousands of cycles were harvested by the reapers. Liara leaves an information capsule and all of the sudden it becomes enough for the next cycle (or a few after, its not clear whether or not the stargazer scene is the next cycle or not) to defeat the reapers conventionally. Liara basically told them to not bother with the crucible.

Why, in billions of years and thousands of cycles did nobody decide to leave information behind for the next cycle to defeat the reapers? All they had to do was leave some information behind and bam, no more reapers. 

Modifié par Mike 9987, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:49 .