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[Striker93175]

Chealec wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

You know, I really do not understand the true emotional distress of aggro dump. I've played a soldier in a match with three infiltrators prior to the nerf, in a public game, on gold, and been 'aggro dumped.' All game long. While I won't be as insulting to say that it means you are a bad player if you can't handle it, I question what the real grief is. First off, if nobody has gotten the hint, playing soldier is a fun experience and it is a far suckier class by comparisson to the infiltrator. Second, exactly what is the huge deal? You can't get happy that the infiltrators are doing the objectives while you actually serve the role of getting things off them? I guess I have no problem with aggro dump if it leads to me getting credits and extraction. Maybe it bothers people who care about score? That's the only thing I can think of.

Were you on Bronze? Thats why, if you were. Playing with 4 people on a bronze game, usually ends up with people fighting each other for kills.

Last time I played with 3 infiltrators, on gold, the host made the "mistake" of setting the enemy as Cerberus ... so I just went Asari Vanguard and topped the scoreboard by some 40k points *shrugs*

Aggro-dump? Big whoop - all ur scorez are belong to me (or something, yeah).


[yes, this was a silly "I top the scoreboard" kinda post - but aggro-dump is a silly kinda argument]

Aggo-dump?



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Modifié par Striker93175, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:23 .

[Daynan]

Cloaking drops the fire you take if there's another target, People may have noticed while playing any other class with 3 infiltrators on the team, they take fire all the time. This change takes some of the pressure off the other guys.

[WaffleCrab]

Striker93175 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

You know, I really do not understand the true emotional distress of aggro dump. I've played a soldier in a match with three infiltrators prior to the nerf, in a public game, on gold, and been 'aggro dumped.' All game long. While I won't be as insulting to say that it means you are a bad player if you can't handle it, I question what the real grief is. First off, if nobody has gotten the hint, playing soldier is a fun experience and it is a far suckier class by comparisson to the infiltrator. Second, exactly what is the huge deal? You can't get happy that the infiltrators are doing the objectives while you actually serve the role of getting things off them? I guess I have no problem with aggro dump if it leads to me getting credits and extraction. Maybe it bothers people who care about score? That's the only thing I can think of.

Were you on Bronze? Thats why, if you were. Playing with 4 people on a bronze game, usually ends up with people fighting each other for kills.

Last time I played with 3 infiltrators, on gold, the host made the "mistake" of setting the enemy as Cerberus ... so I just went Asari Vanguard and topped the scoreboard by some 40k points *shrugs*

Aggro-dump? Big whoop - all ur scorez are belong to me (or something, yeah).


[yes, this was a silly "I top the scoreboard" kinda post - but aggro-dump is a silly kinda argument]

Aggo-dump?



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that just made my day

[Chealec]

Striker93175 wrote...

Aggo-dump?



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lolz - that's 10 bottles of Newcastle Brown and a vindaloo!

[CerinDeVane]

Out of curiosity, since the given reason for the nerf was over-representation (whatever the root causes may be)... how many people are allowed to play a given class? Do we get a popup saying that the class cap is being approached, and continued play as this class could lead to nerfs? I mostly goof around as Engineers or Sentinels mind you, so I want to make sure I'm not next on the chopping block.

[Holy-Hamster]

If the reason infiltrators were played so much before was simply people liking the class you'd have an argument, but the reason so many played it because infiltrators were way more powerful compared to the other classes

I doubt you're going to see much other class nerfing soon, maybe Kroguard with a Reegar

[Immortal Strife]

5.2 duration...just make it 6 seconds or hell even 5 seconds, I hate it when number arn't whole. 5.2 please, where did Bioware get that number. Yes, I know % increase creates the 5.2.

[FrOoOstBite]

I hate long posts.
Severing the DURATION for the power is an outrage.

[sliverofamoon]

Striker93175 wrote...

LOL So true... too bad it wasn't a compilation of Reapers, Geth, and Cerberus, though.

[Zjarcal]

death_for_sale wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

The Nerf wasn't supposed to benefit anyone. BW saw the percentage of Infiltrator use, and also listened to the indoctrinated nerfer trolls to make the class less attractive to play. Personally, I'm about one major nerf away from helping balance the game by playing something else.

Have fun playing your other game. Hopefully it will keep you entertained until they balance whatever OP class you find to play, at which point you can find a new game!

Haha, it will be a never ending cycle!

On topic, don't like the shorter base duration? Then spec for duration at rank 4, it's really not rocket science.

Heaven forbid we actually have a well balanced power that requires the player to put some thought into how to spec it.

[Cundu_Ertur]

DeathIsHere wrote...

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

Don't get personal. Mods watch, mods ban.

If that was directed at me,...

Not directed anywhere just a general observation.

[Cundu_Ertur]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...


"Aggro Dumping" does NOT exist.

Actually, it does exist if you cloak and run away.
It also exists if you DON'T cloak but run away anyhow. Any class can aggo dump if they really want to.

[Sinapus]

edit: nevermind, already answered. 


edit^2: Obviously, the way to prevent "aggro dumping" is to NERF RUNNING AWAY!!!

Modifié par Sinapus, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:14 .

[dday3six]

death_for_sale wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

The Nerf wasn't supposed to benefit anyone. BW saw the percentage of Infiltrator use, and also listened to the indoctrinated nerfer trolls to make the class less attractive to play. Personally, I'm about one major nerf away from helping balance the game by playing something else.

Have fun playing your other game. Hopefully it will keep you entertained until they balance whatever OP class you find to play, at which point you can find a new game!

Btw, the indoctrinated nerfer trolls just happen to be some of the most knowlegeable and skilled players of the game. I'm sure their well reasoned balance suggestions were just made up on the fly so that they could nerf the one class that you enjoy. A class that could not be in any way, overpowered, because 33% of the people playing Gold felt it was needed to complete a match without failing.

While some of the people making suggestions were reasonably doing so. Not all of them were, and certainly not all were knowledgeable or skilled. Furthermore just because a person is knowledgeable or skilled does not mean they are able to actually escape from the top down ideal of balance. By this I mean often times skilled players don't see an issue because their skill insulates them from it. Good players are always going to be good, however they are the minority and balance based on what they are able to be good with overlooks the majority which are those on the middle ground.

[nicethugbert]

Sinapus wrote...

edit: nevermind, already answered. 


edit^2: Obviously, the way to prevent "aggro dumping" is to NERF RUNNING AWAY!!!

Storm should break cloak.

[dday3six]

nicethugbert wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

edit: nevermind, already answered. 


edit^2: Obviously, the way to prevent "aggro dumping" is to NERF RUNNING AWAY!!!

Storm should break cloak.

Here you go, perfect example of people posting unreasonable ideas about TC, which I referred to in my previous comment.

[darkpassenger2342]

its sarcasm......

[Chealec]

dday3six wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

edit: nevermind, already answered. 


edit^2: Obviously, the way to prevent "aggro dumping" is to NERF RUNNING AWAY!!!

Storm should break cloak.

Here you go, perfect example of people posting unreasonable ideas about TC, which I referred to in my previous comment.

Ye-es but thugbert isn't a nerfer, he ONLY wants to nerf infiltrators; he IS the "aggro-dump guy" - so don't pay much attention to anything he says on TC really.

[NasChoka]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

The infiltrators benefit from the shorter cloak duration. Makes the class more interesting to play.

Then maybe we should ask to make all other classes more interesting too.  Everybody will benefit from it.

[COLZ7R]

The people who bombarded the forum for weeks were the ones who benefited from it, the vast majority of the playerbase who didnt give a ****, well who cares what the majority thinks(most nerfers way of thinking)
Bw benifit to, less completed gold matches=less in game credits floating around, more people buy stuff with real money

[Sidney]

Again, this to me has zero effect on snipers but it had a huge effect on my shotgun/melee build especially at early levels and then pretty much forced me to take the 150% duration because the shorter base time constantly expired as I prepared to close range something which was a rude shock. They only took one type of build into consideration with this nerf.

[nicethugbert]

dday3six wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

edit: nevermind, already answered. 


edit^2: Obviously, the way to prevent "aggro dumping" is to NERF RUNNING AWAY!!!

Storm should break cloak.

Here you go, perfect example of people posting unreasonable ideas about TC, which I referred to in my previous comment.

Actually, it works in other games.  Makes stealth play nice with the rest of the game.

[GallowsPole]

I still think the bonuses should be on pistols and smg's. I still can't picture infiltrators (by its own definition of the word) carrying a shotgun OR sniper rifle. Especially a sniper rifle.

Modifié par GallowsPole, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:17 .

[GallowsPole]

COLZ7R wrote...

The people who bombarded the forum for weeks were the ones who benefited from it, the vast majority of the playerbase who didnt give a ****, well who cares what the majority thinks(most nerfers way of thinking)
Bw benifit to, less completed gold matches=less in game credits floating around, more people buy stuff with real money

Well those of us that know better, know spending real money is pointless since you are still dealing with a random store. Better to just play another Gold match.