nicethugbert wrote...
DeathIsHere wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
DeathIsHere wrote...
All the other classes don't get an aggro dump power because it doesnt make sense for them to have one. In fact, to be honest, Vanguards do kinda have an aggro dumping power depending on how they use it. If you and a Vanguard are being flanked by 5-6 enemies and the vanguard charges an enemy halfway across the map, he just dumped whatever aggro he had to you.
The worst part of your argument though is that you're just wrong. Not being able to storm would cause people to stay in cloak longer thus dumping more aggro on you. Not that the aggro dump is a big deal, you make it sound as if when somebody cloaks you get every enemy targetted to you immediately. Doesn't work like that. Sometimes they'll shoot at where the infiltrator was last. It all depends. In a team of 4, a couple infiltrators will simply help funnel enemies to you while also dealing massive damage to the ones they get in their sights. Apart from repositioning and rez/objectives (which are helpful to the entire team), an infiltrator won't be in cloak all that long. Not much aggro dumped.
So yeah, you won't be making any argument that'll sway me whatsoever. I doubt you'll sway anybody because all of your posts come off as "I get aggro dumped on me, remove tactical cloak because I can't handle the extra couple enemies." so nobody wants to listen to you.
If the vanguard behind cover with you can see enemies halfway across the map, then so can you, and so can they. Which means you're both drawing their aggro. When he charges over to them, he is drawing their aggro, not you. Now you are drawing the aggro of the stuff that was around you. there is no net aggro dump. the aggro has been split.
If it had been an infiltrator behind cover with you, all the agrro would have been all yours. So, there is no comparison between a Vanguard and an Infiltrator.
If storm broke cloak then people would have to approach their destination carefully, using cloak tactically when there isn't something around to break LOS, the way real infiltrators do.
The aggro bit was a bad example, yeah, but the point remains that other classes don't make sense to have an aggro dump power. Infiltrators do and have had it since ME2.
As far as the storm thing, you just don't understand what I'm trying to say to you. All you'd be doing with that is making it harder for people to get to places quickly and it make your problem with cloak worse. If they took storm away and kept the duration at 10 seconds, it would kill cloak (again, I know this is your intention but it ain't happening). You wouldn't be able to use it tactically if you could only casually walk for 10 seconds. There'd be no reason to take duration again and everybody would become camping snipers. The solution to that would be to increase the time in cloak so it could actually be used effectively, thus dumping more aggro. This suggestion is just bad. It'd never happen.
It does not make sense to have an aggro dump power in Me3 MP at all. There are only two, maybe three, classes in the game which can tank and only level 16 to 20 and with gear and and circumstances in their favor and even then, I hesitate to consider them tanks.
What would make sense in the game is a draw aggro power. Then the player has the choice of taking extra aggro upon himself at his own conviniance, not at another player's conveniance.
Other classes don't have cloak and they get to places quickly.
The aggro dump isn't even significant. For 10 seconds at most, and the odds of an infiltrator being in cloak for the full 10 seconds every time is highly unlikely. You cloak, you take your shot, you move on.
As far as it not making sense, how does it not make sense? The tanking bit is irrelevant, you don't need to be a god to deal with that extra few enemies that aren't sighting the infiltrator for the 3 seconds they're in cloak. Everytime you make that argument, you make yourself sound as if you're just upset that you got shot a bit more. Just because you're not good enough to handle a couple more enemies doesn't mean the power is terrible or unnecessary. People make good use of it. It can be helpful to the team. It doesn't automatically kill you and the infiltrator is your teammate. They're there to help you, they're not gonna go "OH, I cloaked, hope you die, bye!"
Now, please just stop arguing about cloak. I've answered and debunked literally every point you've made and I am tired (and I'm sure everybody else is too) of sitting here and showing you how you're wrong when you bring up the same points in every single topic that even slightly mentions an infiltrator. The same thing over and over again. Somebody calls you wrong and you just rephrase it and say it again. The only thing you can say that's true is that you don't like cloak because it dumps aggro, and I'm sorry, but you're just gonna have to deal with that. I've not seen anybody else get upset about it as badly as you do. I don't know what else to tell ya' dude. Tactical Cloak isn't going away, they're not gonna remove it because you cried about it. Move on.
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