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[greghorvath]

Kick In The Door wrote...
I would drag my balls across a mile of broken glass just to hear him fart through a walkie talkie.

This is going on my list of favorite lines...

[Poison_Berrie]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i still get well over 100k too, doesn't mean it's fun anymore, though. I feel restricted now, which is the opposite intention of the class/ability system. If bw want a gears clone, fine, but i dont want to play that. And just replacing class abilities with superior gear is stupid.

Funny thing is, I play classes where I need to make power decisions that restrict (I'd say define) the way I play and I still think they are fun.
Example, Geth Engineer Turret. 

EDIT: To those going on about the numbers. I've seen Vanguards (Kroguards and Phoenixguards mostly) and Sentinels on Gold, they aren't as rare as you state.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[Taritu]

I do wonder if the intent was to hit shotgun infils so hard, which to my mind, were the funnest class in the game, but which actually had a high risk strategy.

Eh, not related to this, but just burnout, I've been playing a lot less anyway.

[Torguemada]

MeatmanMatt wrote...
33% out of 5 more like. Everyone knows what happens if you try playing vanguard on Gold...

You deal out a boatload of damage and top the board?

[mrwizeguy]

It Benefits Bioware .

Call me crazy but why do i get such a strong feeling there are going to be "duration" gear or consumables introduced in the future DLC's...

Bioware you aint fooling everyone , i see the cheese but i do also see the trap following

[SRTaylor]

newman982 wrote...

Infiltrators are squishier? I didnt realize there was a feature that made infiltrators take more damage.
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I never meant that they were squishier than other classes, just squishy in general. Their Cloak is the only defense they have. I agree that there are other classes that are vulnerable, like adepts but most people running adept won't revive an ally in the heat of battle, nor will they try and complete disabling objectives unless they're Asari. I only say Asari because they have either stasis field or bio sphere, which are great defensive powers if used properly. And while I'm on the topic of Adepts, they have bio dets which destroy everything they hit. I don't see the det combo's being dampened any time soon.

[Pekkan]

 Possible additive weapon damage bonuses:

+40% Tactical cloak base
+25% Extended Barrel
+22.5% passive tree weapon damage bonuses
+30% level III weapon equipment amp

Total this far: 117.5%

+15% from level V gear.
Total: +132.5%
+45% warp ammo IV against armor, barrier and hp (III is 35% so it is at least 45%, might be even 50%), or even some level III ammo powers give +30%. 

Total: +162.5% -  177.5%

With tactical cloak rank 4 damage

 +202.5% -  217.5% 

So with just level III ammo power the 40 percentage point increase gives you

302.5 /2.625 = 1.152

15.2 percent increase in total weapon damage

With level IV warp ammo

3.175/2.775 = 1.144 

14.4 percent increase in total weapon damage

Now if you don't have any gear or equipment on then that is 21.6 percentage difference. 

Can't anymore slap just low level ammo power like warp ammo I on my MQI with grenade gear, and two shot phantoms, too bad. 

The cloak duration 150% percentage points increase is (except for PS3 for whom apparently the base tree duration incraese doesn't work)

11.2 second / 5.2 second = 2.154

115.4 percentage increase in cloak duration.

So the rank 4 choice is between

115% increase in duration 

15.2% increase in weapon damage for reasonably equipped infiltrators, 21.6% increase in weapon damage for no equipment no gear infiltrators.

Modifié par Pekkan, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[SRTaylor]

Btw newman, did you even read the entire post? The whole purpose of it was to show that Infiltrator's are no more overpowered than any other class in the game.

[Jebel Krong]

Holy-Hamster wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Holy-Hamster wrote...

So you admit you're not a team player. That gives me a good indication of what you're like.

strong weapons in the game has nothing to do with weight, what point are you trying to make here?

Why am I going to need tissues? I've adjusted just fine, I still score 150k-200k as an infiltrator and also get 5-20 revives per game, I also help with all the objectives

Your post makes no sense

i still get well over 100k too, doesn't mean it's fun anymore, though. I feel restricted now, which is the opposite intention of the class/ability system. If bw want a gears clone, fine, but i dont want to play that. And just replacing class abilities with superior gear is stupid.

Also: you need to be a lot less judgmental.

Restricted to what? Having the same power of all the other classes? Not being able to do EVERYTHING from one class?  Of course you feel restricted, because it never should have been that way to begin with.  

Anyways I'm done for now.  I have to go polish my crown or something......

same power as other classes? Er, no the game is supposed to be about differentiation: guess what infiltrators are supposed to do? Taking 50% or more of one ability away does not promote that. Other classes excel in their own areas- if bw actually fixed the glitches maybe their percentages would increase too. As it is, even when the ridiculous krysae was launched it was rare to see more than 1 or 2 infils in a gold lobby.

[SRTaylor]

I mean, sure, they're a versatile profession, but I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

[helloesposito]

This is the first balance change I've been discouraged by. Who was complaining that the Infiltrators were overpowered: the crappy players who are greedy and just want to get the most kills. The cloak/damage changes are total b.s. Have you thought about Batarian with blade armor and melee fully upgraded, or Krogan with Fortification and melee fully upgraded? Sniper rifle bonus from 50, or 60(cant remember) to 25? Seriously? Rank 6 comes with a pathetic bonus.

Thanks to all the whiners who got their way because they complained the most.

[Pride Demon]

I think the biggest problem is that this nerf changed the class but not the mentality that was built around it... And unlike what many think, faulty reasoning lays on BOTH sides...

I noticed that many people (not necessarily those here mind you) on one hand complain about Infiltrators lonewolfing and being OP, however on the other they somewhat revel in it: basically since the Infiltrator "can take care of himself/herself" they feel excused in ignoring him/her entirely to concentrate in other things, sometimes they even seem more reckless since "someone will revive [them] anyway"...

Two situations spring to mind:
- as a general rule, when I play infiltrator I try and revive as much as I'm able, when I'm down though it's rare someone will bother come around to revive me. Maybe they don't even read who is down and just think I'll be around to revive... myself... I'm avoiding you using medigel, care to extend the same courtesy to me?

- Three day ago, playing Giant/Cerberus/Silver, I reach the last objective in the upper plaza, I cloak and start working on the laptop, there's two ATLASes on the other side of the plaza following a squaddie, they are far away and ignoring me so no problem even as cloak runs out, suddently the guy sprints away through the upper control room (as a note I had just revived him) and leaves the ATLASes behind...
What happens next? Two rockets to the face, all the work gone due to stagger... I'll spare you the details of all the cloaking, trying and running around... Just know that nobody seemed interested in supporting me and/or taking care those ATLASes I had to use a medigel and a rocket just not to lose the wave (time was running out)...
I usually don't use mics, but this time I plaugged it and said "Guys, please, if I'm trying to cap an objective give me cover and take the enemies away...".
The answer? "You are an Infiltrator, just cloak and do your job. What took you so long anyway? We lost bonus creds..."

Now I know this is just a bad experience, and in fact I had many nicer ones with a team actually acting as a team, but really if you want the Infiltrator to act like a squadmate, treat him/her like one, don't ignore him/her because he/she can survive anyway...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:42 .

[SRTaylor]

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Lol.

[SRTaylor]

Preach on Pride, preach on.

[Pride Demon]

SRTaylor wrote...

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Lol.

Yeah, not one of the best gaming experiences...
Bottom line, BOTH for the Infilplayers and their squadmates: Infiltrator class is not a crutch, help your team...

[SRTaylor]

I second that motion.

[GallowsPole]

Sooo it simply couldn't have been an inexperienced player or someone not thinking, but rather someone intent on making the Inf the leper. Huh. Fascinating.

[nicethugbert]

Vercuric wrote...
But who, exactly, gets to have more fun now that the Infiltrators can't cloak for more than 4 seconds without any duration bonuses?

Operation Savage was the most fun operation I have played to date and I played them all, extensively.  I and everybody who is sick and tired of being some infiltrator's decoy are having more fun thanks to the TC duration reduction.

I don't know where people get this idea that the objectives are soooooo horrible that we need an easy mode for them.  I don't share the sentiment.  There is more fun for people like me doing the objective as a team on an equal playing field as far as aggro is concerned than to have someone just go do them and use us as decoys when he lines up shots.

[Dot.Shadow]

Tactical Cloak is now useless. USELESS.

They've really gotta go for the middle ground here. 4 seconds is just way too short, 10 is too much. I say go for something around 6-8.

[GallowsPole]

nicethugbert wrote...

Vercuric wrote...
But who, exactly, gets to have more fun now that the Infiltrators can't cloak for more than 4 seconds without any duration bonuses?

Operation Savage was the most fun operation I have played to date and I played them all, extensively.  I and everybody who is sick and tired of being some infiltrator's decoy are having more fun thanks to the TC duration reduction.

I don't know where people get this idea that the objectives are soooooo horrible that we need an easy mode for them.  I don't share the sentiment.  There is more fun for people like me doing the objective as a team on an equal playing field as far as aggro is concerned than to have someone just go do them and use us as decoys when he lines up shots.

Well Inf players got it in their noggins that somehow we, who play other classes, simply use them as our revive/objective tools and not that it is common sense that the guy who can cloak can do it easier. 

Modifié par GallowsPole, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .

[Sinapus]

Vercuric wrote...
And please, don't even bother suggesting to go for the duration bonus over the damage. That's really just there for novelty's sake. Nobody is going to sacrifice damage, an ability that's useful in ALL situations, for duration which is only useful for specific waves, and even then only for one specific objective type.

Perhaps I should rename my handle...

[SRTaylor]

Look, I play other classes just like the rest of you. As a matter of fact, I play my Batarian Sentinel more than any other class/race/profession out there. All I'm saying is I don't think that it's right to nerf one class w/out nerfing all the others. Every class has it's strengths and weaknesses, EVERY ONE. Infil seems to be the only one that is singled out though. The Adepts have biotic explosions. Do you know how many games I've been in and have been robbed of kills because these people bio det everything in sight? Why didn't they get nerfed? Or the Soldiers with grenade cap upgrades? I can't begin to count how many times I've seen people wipe out an entire army of enemies with frags, incediaries, or cluster grenades then run around the map gathering more to do it all over again. What about the Engineers, with the exception of the Quarian Male, dropping a drone, decoy, or turret to pull aggro and either overloading, draining, or exploding everthing with cryo, incenerate combo's. Haven't heard that any of those classes being nerfed?

[BLY78NOR]

I'd say everyone since the game is no longer Mass infiltrators 3 online, you see way more variation in classes now and for most people that makes the game a hell of a lot more fun

[SRTaylor]

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be variation. All I'm saying is that I don't believe that one class is better than another and I don't think it's right to drop one class w/out dropping the rest. Btw, it wasn't Mass Infiltrator 3 Online. Some people preferred to run Infiltrators, just like some would rather run adept, or vanguard, and so on. Sure, there are probobly more people running other classes, but that's only because the class that they enjoyed running has been dooked on account of other less fortunate individuals not being able to keep up.

Modifié par SRTaylor, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .