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[Arcane_Warrior_Revan]

*WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD*

One of the things that I enjoyed the most about Dragon Age Origins was the difficult decisions that you were forced to take:

When you arrive at Redcliffe for the fist time, you find out that the Village is being attacked by walking corpses, after you deal with it (either by saving the village or abandoning it), you go the Redcliffe Castle and you discover that all this was caused by Connor (the son of Arl Eamon) who was possesed by a Demon.

So, what would you do without any previous knowledge about the situation?
After all, you need the aid of Arl Eamon to deal with the Civil War caused by Loghain, you know these facts:
-Arl Eamon is very ill and he could die soon.
-The Village has being under siege by an army of undead.
-The Castle has been taken by a demon who has possesed the only son of the Arl.
-You don' know what kind of demon, but it clearly is powerful (and if you have read the codexes, you could suppose that it must be a Desire Demon or a Pride Demon, which is not good), and could threaten not only Recliffe but the rest of Ferelden in time.
-A Blood Mage poisoned Arl Eamon and this was the cause why Connor sought the help of the Demon.
-This mage proposes to perform a Ritual of Blood Magic in order to have an opportunity to save Connor, by sending another mage to the Fade to defeat the Demon, this mage has a great task: defeat the Demon alone and if he/she fails, the sacrifice of Isolde (wife of Arl Eamon) would be in vain, and the only Grey Warden that would remain to deal with the Blight would be Alistair, who hasn't shown leader qualities.

Which decision would you take?
Would you kill Connor (a child about 10 years old)?
Would you let Jowan perform the Forbidden Ritual?
Would you go to the Tower of Circle of Magi, (a trip of 1 day just to get there) taking the risk that the Demon could regain power and control Connor again, and put in danger the people of the castle and the village?


SCENARIO 1:

A) Warden Origin: Any but Magi Origin.

You don't know Jowan, you don't know if you can trust him and there is the possibility that he could take the life force of Isolde and attack.

C) You haven't visited the Tower of the Circle of Magi, but you have heard the rumors about the Tower, that has been taken by demons and abominations.


SCENARIO 2:

Same as in , C) but:

D) Warden Origin:  Magi Origin.
You know Jowan, he was your best friend in the Tower, and you saw what he did in the Tower.
D.1) You help him.
D.2) You betrayed him.


SCENARIO 3:

Same as in A), , but:

E) You have visited the Tower before, you saw what Abominations are capable of, and:
E.1) You saved the Circle of Magi.
E.2) The Circle was annulled.


SCENARIO 4:

Same as above, but:

D) Warden Origin:  Magi Origin.


Feel free to post any other (possible) Scenario, and tell me what would you do.

Thank you.

Modifié par Arcane_Warrior_Revan, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:08 .

[Dio Demon]

If it was actually me, I would kill Connor in any scenario simply because wasting a whole day just to travel to the Circle whether it has been cleared out or not would be way too risky as the demon could recover and renew the attacks on Redcliffe causing untold casualties. Also the demon would be at its most fragile right now and would be the easiest and safest way to dispatch it.

But my Elven Mage Warden released Jowan telling him to leave Redcliffe giving him a second chance to live his life as Jowan was a brother to him, he then went to the Circle which had been freed because he was hoping that he could have a chat with the demon and that was the only way to do it. Once he confronted the demon he managed to scare the demon away with it giving him some of its power.

[Arcane_Warrior_Revan]

@Faerunner: Thank you for your answer, yes I have finished this quest before, in fact I have tried every possible scenario, including the one when you are left with no choice but to kill Connor.

Yes, that answer my question, and don't worry about the long post, I don't mind long posts, it is a difficult decision after all!

In my first playthrough (SCENARIO 1) I killed Connor, because my Warden thought that he couldn't risk the life of Arl Eamon and the rest of the people in the Redcliffe, I think it was the most logical, and practical course of action.

In my second playthrough (SCENARIO 2) I did the same.

I only would try to save Connor if:
-My Warden Mage has visited the Tower before and saved the Circle of Magi.
-My Warden helped Jowan to escape in the Tower, because if my Warden had betrayed him, he would be wary that Jowan might take revenge and attack with the life force of Isolde.

Modifié par Arcane_Warrior_Revan, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[Arcane_Warrior_Revan]

Faerunner wrote...

I guess that makes sense. Different characters make different decisions for different reasons.

(Since the Circle's already saved, it's just a matter of getting there. Also, I never understood why it wasn't an option to ask some extra companions to keep an eye on Connor and to possibly kill him if he acts up while the Warden's gone. You get points for trying to save both mother and child by going to the Circle, but you're also being pragmatic by safe-guarding against a possible renewed demon attack. Plus, if you have some extra companions sitting at camp anyway, might as well give them something to do. I can totally see Sten and/or Morrigan being up to the task. One false move and that kid goes down.) I can see my character basically telling her companions to stay behind, watch the boy, and kill him if he tries anything while she's gone.

Now that would be an excellent option, I wonder why Bioware didn't think of that? I had liked to have that option, my Warden would left Sten, Morrigan to watch over Connor, because he would think that taking Morrigan to the Tower isn't a good idea (she's an apostate and the templars might notice), Sten would be ready to kill Connor at any moment, and Alistair and Leliana don't like the idea that much.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I remember a fanfic by Sarah1281 called "I Am Not A Tragic Figure" where Shale suggests using several sacrifices so that each has a non-zero chance of living. Jowan nixes that because he can't think how to make it work: he's sure he can get the ritual to go right as he describes, but he isn't sure he's capable of anything more complicated. Anyway, depending on Cunning score, a Warden might realistically think to suggest that. (He/she doesn't, but they should've.)

The solution the Warden comes up with is ultimately the split-the-party one. Alistair and Leiliana (who don't like blood magic and kid-killing) come with her as they go to the Circle to tell Irving. Everyone else stays behind, and if Connor tries anything they either sacrifice Isolde if possible, or if its too late simply kill Connor. It's probably the best solution, and something any Warden of sufficient Cunning could theoretically come up with.

As to what my Wardens would do... my first playthrough fit example A, and since I was trying to play a straight up hero where possible I reluctantly trusted Jowan to redeem himself. (Besides, my hero might not know what a "saved game" is, but I do. If it had gone wrong...)

My second was a mage who annulled the Circle, went into the Fade with Jowan's help, and sold Connor out, citing to the demon that Eamon, not Connor, was necessary. I wanted to get all of the Complete Monster decisions out of the way, so I just played Shiva as a nutter.

I metagamed my third character to get all the best outcomes, so the Circle saved Connor. Since I usually do the Circle first to get a Spirit Healer A.S.A.P, that fits 3E1. My Fourth was another 3E1 where I killed Connor (ultra-pragmatic Dwarf Noble). Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh were all 3E1s, and each one the Circle saved him.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .