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[whateverman7]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

It's not the weapon. It's how you use it.

was gonna type out something, but your answer was better....+1 to you

[xx DJ ONE xx]

mrcanada wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

mrcanada, it seems you think arguing your opinion with 10 others makes it a fact.
no one cares about your score.
the avenger is a better assault rifle that some of the uncommon AR's, and even 1 or 2 of the rares.
lots of people like it.

Except it isn't.  DPS and number support this.  It isn't fact because I say it, it is because the numbers say it is.  That's it.  The Avenger is statistically the worst AR in the category and that's fine.  You use it cause you like it?  Fine, but it isn't better than any gun in the category at all. 

You think because a bunch of other people say something makes them right?  Look at these boards, people say and ask for some of the most ridiculous things imaginable and have obviously experienced very little in the game.  That doesn't make them correct because 10 other noobs agree with them.

Perspective, relativity. If we were all you...it seems that it would be fact.

However, if someone is new to MP, for example, and playing a class that isn't upgraded enough to maintain a 200% CD with the <HEAVY> UR they just lucked into from a pack, their equation might provide a different "best" result. 

It's like saying "Flapping your wings is the best way to travel" to a fish. Yes, it would be, if it weren't for that whole dying when out of water part.

Modifié par xx DJ ONE xx, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:38 .

[Mgamerz]

You know why it's called a starter weapon?
Because it's a starter weapon. You don't drive a corvette without driving a pinto.

[Cyonan]

Mgamerz wrote...

You know why it's called a starter weapon?
Because it's a starter weapon. You don't drive a corvette without driving a pinto.

I still feel every gun should be useful in some way though, even if it's not as good at the URs or even Rares.

And even when comparing it to the Shuriken or Mantis, it's nowhere near as good. I haven't used the Predator or Katana enough to comment on those weapons.

[Kastrenzo]

There is -nothing- bad about the Avenger.

It is a staple weapon, it is what everything else is compared to, it is the quintessential assault rifle.

Upgraded to Level X with mods and other damage boosts. I'm pretty sure it's more than capable

[spideyal]

I have no idea why a few people are hating on the Avenger so bad. Sure, it's weak, but I've also had personal experiences with it topping the scoreboard as a Human Engineer, and Human Soldier. It used to be my most used gun (even on Silver) up until I got some of the better shotguns, SR's and pistols.

It doesn't matter how many numbers or stats you throw out, the part that matters most is the person using the gun. My experience is the fact that I topped people using guns like the Widow/Black Widow and such, while I used the Avenger (X, of course) and Predator.

It's hard to go back to it now (I can say this about most ARs), but I stuck to that gun for a good month or two while using Soldier and Engineer classes.

TL;DR
Guns only suck if you don't use them efficiently and whether or not a gun is better than another is completely up to personal preference. Even if there are numbers to claim one is stronger than another. There's more to combat than numbers.

[MrFuddyDuddy]

The problem is that ME3 uses RPG elements in what's good. Look at all over shoots, yeah some weapons are just better but for the most part everything is fairly balanced. Which is alot harder to accomplish in a game like this, which is why I laugh at all the people who cry for nerfs, forgot who said it but it went something like if the Krysae was an UR no one would have complained about it, which is what ultimately got the infiltrator nerfed. Which is why I promote buffs to next to all weapons, especially AR's and SMG's

[Cyonan]

Kastrenzo wrote...

There is -nothing- bad about the Avenger.

It is a staple weapon, it is what everything else is compared to, it is the quintessential assault rifle.

Upgraded to Level X with mods and other damage boosts. I'm pretty sure it's more than capable

I wasn't saying it wasn't viable or usable.

To clarify, I did not do bad with this gun. I still came in first on the scoreboard in most games. I was relying on my abilities even more heavily than using other caster weapons, though.

I'm just using the weapons that I've noticed a lot of people on the BSN calling "bad" and using them on characters I feel they would compliment well to see if they're actually half decent weapons. imo the Avenger did not end up being a half decent weapon. The Shuriken(also a starter weapon) did end up being a half decent one.

Modifié par Cyonan, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:43 .

[MrFuddyDuddy]

God damn phone DDDD: over should be other, and forwhatever reason it didn't type in what's suppose to be some weapons just being bad while others good. Lol

[Bluebeam2012]

The Avenger on Gold isn't viable as the Primary Weapon. Think of it as a SMG with more accuracy and damage.

By the time you get an Avenger X, it's pretty much as light as the conventional SMG's you find in the game. Moreover, the fact that ULM is still bugged, the Avenger is still relevant somewhat.

[darkpassenger2342]

Bluebeam2012 wrote...

The Avenger on Gold isn't viable as the Primary Weapon. Think of it as a SMG with more accuracy and damage.

By the time you get an Avenger X, it's pretty much as light as the conventional SMG's you find in the game. Moreover, the fact that ULM is still bugged, the Avenger is still relevant somewhat.

^ this!!!
 

[Astartes Marine]

Arppis wrote...
DPS isn't everything for sure. With Avenger, I can spam my powers and keep firing at my target. That makes up a lot for it. Especialy when I am using my soldier, put distruptor ammo on the gun and fire up those concusion shots, I get tech bursts to add up.

When you get that Phaeston of yours up to X, consider upgrading.  It's the Avenger's big brother.

• 50 round clips / 90 with extended clips
• 450 shot reserve pool
• Better accuracy
• Almost no recoil
• More damage per shot

There comes a point where in my opinion, where some guns just don't carry their worth anymore.  Is that how it should be?  No I don't think so, I feel that every weapon should have a place.

[Arppis]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Arppis wrote...
DPS isn't everything for sure. With Avenger, I can spam my powers and keep firing at my target. That makes up a lot for it. Especialy when I am using my soldier, put distruptor ammo on the gun and fire up those concusion shots, I get tech bursts to add up.

When you get that Phaeston of yours up to X, consider upgrading.  It's the Avenger's big brother.

• 50 round clips / 90 with extended clips
• 450 shot reserve pool
• Better accuracy
• Almost no recoil
• More damage per shot

There comes a point where in my opinion, where some guns just don't carry their worth anymore.  Is that how it should be?  No I don't think so, I feel that every weapon should have a place.

Might be a good idea WHEN I get it on X level. Atm Phaestorm what level I got it on, just doesn't have the same "feel" as Avenger has and it has quite a bit of weight on it still.

Modifié par Arppis, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .

[Paradox6006]

Most of the AR's are crap lol

[Haersvaelg]

Cyonan wrote...

zorinho20 wrote...
Maybe I´m wrong,but I think common weapons should be weaker than the uncommons etc.They are meant for beginners in Bronze difficulty and for that purpose they are OK.
In every game I played,you alway get some weak weapons and than as you progress you find(buy) stronger.
Good example is Diablo 2:you start with the weakest weapon possible(short sword,hand axe...).
In comparison to that,the Avenger or the Mantis are uberstrong weapons.

I think the progression should still be there, but I don't think the tiers should be that far apart. An uncommon should be better than a common, but I wouldn't say an uncommon I should be better than a common X in pretty much every way.

I agree with this. In my mind, it should be balanced as close as possible where every weapon is viable in some way or other, and that there is no direct progression in the sense, that once you unlock, say the widow, the mantis automatically becomes obsolete. That is just lazy design and too much of a MMORPG mindset.

It is just more fun to have a lot of weapon choices that actually feel different and does different things for you, and are not just copies with better stats.

[Meetthekiller77]

I really miss the ME2 Avenger. Not only did it look more badass (for some reason with the blue lights and no scope it really looks funny to me) I used it a lot more, especially since it had this all-powerful firing sound, not like the "pew-pew-pew" of the ME3 model. Plus, it was actually decent enough for me to use it the entire game.

Modifié par Meetthekiller77, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[ValorOfArms777]

Lets make a barrel modded Avenger dmg using up all the hold

the dmg is 60 per shot with 1800 as the final dmg

shuriken blows it out of the water yep it holds 36 rounds

with the dmg of 60 exactly the same as the avenger

and thus it deals 2160 dmg on empty clip but which one can you hold completely down?

Avenger Recoil is 0.1
Shuri is 0.175

making the shuri have more recoil ON each burst

control the recoil is the key of the shuri

while the AVENGER!
save your finger you can unleash ALL rounds in that ONE distinct spot with no recoil problem

shuri shoots 6 shots simultaneous each applies the recoil btw that's exactly 360 dmg

the argument is...void neither are bad they are base lines for their weapon groups

all weapons are at max lvl X for the stats btw the weigh tdiffrence at lvl X is a .30 Avenger weights 0.50 Shuri 0.20 honestly ALL smgs weight ... 0.30 other than Hornet and Hurricane and the Shuri being the lightest

you'll have fun to know weight is very strange small number factor and quite funny again you can use the two weapons even and equal a 0.60 weight meaning most likely at higher level a good cool down both guns have their place know this and you'll go far

[Drakham]

always interesting to see how everyone always leads the (pointless) scoreboards. Im wondering then who is 2end third and 4th if everyone is first?

On topic:
Isnt the whole discussion rather pointless unless we all agree on a set of values we use to compare the guns to? (for example facts but can be something else as well).
If you guys dont, then this is not a real discussion but just some exchange of personal opinions which is running in a cricle.
Funny...,
but pointless.

Just my 2 cent.

[Astartes Marine]

Arppis wrote...

Might be a good idea WHEN I get it on X level. Atm Phaestorm what level I got it on, just doesn't have the same "feel" as Avenger has and it has quite a bit of weight on it still.

Hmm, fair enough.  Start buying those Veteran packs then, easiest way to level it up.  2 silver matches can get you 3 Vet packs, it'd be X in no time.  Might even get the Raptor and Vindicator to X, both fine weapons as well.  Vindicator especially for burst accuracy and the Raptor is basically a designated marksman rifle.

I agree about the feel though, the Avenger looks cool, sounds cool...just doesn't perform as well as it could.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Avenger is only good on the Turian characters particularly the Turian soldier.

Spam proxy mine to weaken the trash and use marksman on the bosses.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:48 .

[RomanowRomanow]

try vindicator, its worst gun in my book

[Saaz5555]

So you think that avenger sucks? Try Locust.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Meetthekiller77 wrote...

I really miss the ME2 Avenger. Not only did it look more badass (for some reason with the blue lights and no scope it really looks funny to me) I used it a lot more, especially since it had this all-powerful firing sound, not like the "pew-pew-pew" of the ME3 model. Plus, it was actually decent enough for me to use it the entire game.

ME2 had the best weapon balance. Everything was good but the ARs and SMGs were king and queen.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 01 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

RomanowRomanow wrote...

try vindicator, its worst gun in my book

For some reason they needlessly nerfed it when ME3 first came out. Since then hardly anyone uses it.

[Ogrinash]

Avenger makes a cool blat blat blat noise though. I like to use it on classes that don't really need a weapon to do much for the team.

Katana is quite serviceable. It's pretty much in the middle of the Scimitar and Eviscerator (both of which work).