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[Shadowvalker]

Well - with synthesis we all now have a chip on our shoulder!

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Forbry wrote...

You people think way too much about synthesis and take it way to literally...
I will stop explaining what I think synthesis is all about, since most of you just repeating the same bs over and over again. Brainwashing, pfffffffffffffff....

No, I am interested in what you have to say. Do you, for instance, really, genuinely believe that conflict between synthetics and organics is inevitable and that it will set the galaxy on fire?

Shadowvalker wrote...

Well - with synthesis we all now have a chip on our shoulder!

 

...well played.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:25 .

[Baronesa]

Well... brainwashing would explain why the soldiers stop attacking the Reapers.

Seriously if the change is only physiological, why would they CHANGE THEIR MINDS and stop working towards the objective they already had?

There MUST be a mental component included in the change.

[en2ym3]

Forbry wrote...

You people think way too much about synthesis and take it way to literally...
I will stop explaining what I think synthesis is all about, since most of you just repeating the same bs over and over again. Brainwashing, pfffffffffffffff....

No, tell!  I'm interested!

The only thing I'm not looking for in this thread is the argument that it is just a metaphor.  The argument may be completely valid (haven't seen one before), but I'm asking on the assumption that this Synthesis ending actually happened in ME's reality.  

Though, admittedly, I do absolutely love watching people snark about it. ;]

Modifié par en2ym3, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[The Angry One]

General User wrote...

And, of course, dream for one man may be a nightmare for another.

Like GREEN KROGAN HUSKLINGS.

[TrollDemon]

I can tell you all one thing.

The galaxy will no longer be short of mathematicians.

[Caenis]

 Synthesis is the Sci Fi version of Utopia: "Technological Utopia" : 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_utopianism

They have merged with machine which means they are Human+ (Transhuman) : http://en.wikipedia....i/Transhumanism 

(not to be confused with Post Human Theories) : 
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Posthumanism 
As there are two, "Post Human of the human species", and "Post Human in terms of Transhumanism."

Mass Effect played with this throughout the entire series, I sensed it, during the second game I was asking if anyone saw hints to Transhumanism, that's when Legion came into the picture while I was studying the Transhumanism movement. I was fascinated that Bioware would play with this and that not many were talking about it. It wasn't until ME3 after more conversations with EDI and little hints throughout the game that I began to think woah they really are going somewhere with this. I think Edi might have even had a conversation about it (and Shepard asks if she is one, Edi says no: ). Then we got to the end and I saw Synthesis... I felt 98% certain that this is where they had been heading with the conversations between Legion and Edi, and the war between the Geth, and even the conversations that began way back with Sovereign. Like it just seemed to me that they were ALWAYS headed in that direction and that they had been priming us.
The "Idea" of Synthesis is no different to me than an idea of utopia, like the idea of "Atlantis" or "Eden" or some other mythological Garden or Highly Advanced "Utopian" civilization, it is a place of peace and unity. But I believe that EVEN if something like Synthesis did happen (which it does in some parallel universes of Mass Effect ~), that the peace wouldn't last, that they would learn there is something greater than them out there, who may in turn wish to destroy them, or they may all sink into Atlantis. I also believe that they would continue to evolve past what their current idea of evolution is, and might even become something bigger than what Sovereign once was, and discover whole new Post-Galaxy ideas, that transcend even what we know. They could then become destroyed by some other massive threat that they didn't know about or that is was just unable to be stopped. So the Cycle would continue just in a different form provided they didn't go extinct. As Extinction no matter how evolved is always the RULE not the exception, and being one with the machine and able to self-improve on an as needed basis, is no exception.

I imagine that in this far future if they had the added benefit of "Reactive Evolution" similar to Darwing from the X-Men, where their bodies are programmed/designed to automatically adapt to new situations would be a plus for them. Imagine bacteria that rapidly adapted to eat Transhumans .

But these are all just "Ideas" that Mass Effect played with, which seemed at least in my mind fitting to the Sci Fi theme, though the more I think of it, ME plays with the Sci Fi genre but towards the end leaned more towards Speculative Fiction, a cross between Sci Fi and Fantasy (as the two historically have often been blurred) : 
http://en.wikipedia....fiction#Fantasy 

Modifié par Caenis, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:32 .

[Vigilant111]

TrollDemon wrote...

I can tell you all one thing.

The galaxy will no longer be short of mathematicians.

But.. u cannot explain love with maths

[AngryFrozenWater]

The Angry One wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Even the mutilation of their racial identity caused the victims no physical pain the moment synthesis was forced onto them. No shock, no fear, no panic. Just happy faces. Not sure what can cause that. Brainwashing, indoctrination, mind control. Something like that.

With the implication of them all being connected to the Reapers and with each other, possibly the imposition of a collective will.

Congratulations, you just created the Borg.

Now that you mention it... It does appear that resistance is futile.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[TrollDemon]

Vigilant111 wrote...

TrollDemon wrote...

I can tell you all one thing.

The galaxy will no longer be short of mathematicians.

But.. u cannot explain love with maths

Yes I can.

1 U

The U is supposed to be the Greek letter Mu, which is used in Algebra and what not.

[Uncle Jo]

Since they're all Reapers 2.0 now, I can suppose that they're all going to troll another galaxy.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:35 .

[Vigilant111]

TrollDemon wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

TrollDemon wrote...

I can tell you all one thing.

The galaxy will no longer be short of mathematicians.

But.. u cannot explain love with maths

Yes I can.

1 U

The U is supposed to be the Greek letter Mu, which is used in Algebra and what not.

1+1= love? no, life is not that simple

[im commander shep]

Synthesis - the only way to understand it is to ignore everything about it an accept it will work because the Catalyst is always right.????
Or do what I did always pick destroy or reject and don't listen the star kid.

[Bone3ater]

en2ym3 wrote...

Synthesis is presented as the Utopian ending, everyone's cheery, better off, and in peace.  Yet, how would they even know how to live their lives?  How would they live with Reapers and husks?

Their genetic structure  has been extremely altered, or "improved."  How would they eat/find energy?  How would they deal with their enviornments?  Could they get hurt or sick?  If so, how do they know how to heal themselves when they probably don't understand how their own biology works anymore?


I know, it's another thread complaining about/questioning the logic of Synthesis, but I was curious if anyone's managed to think of an answer for this sort of thing.

How would you know anything ever at all?

You can't know. It's all speculation. The only thing we know now, is that nobody loses their individuality with Synthesis. At least not in the near future. So we are safe to assume that they don't. Nobody knows about other conflicts that may arise thousands of years later, but that goes for every ending.
Another thing we know is that it's supposedly a good working symbiosis between logical synthetic beings and organics who are capable of understanding emotional struggles and put value in each individual being.

So, I don't understand your point tbh.

The Angry One wrote...

With the implication of them all
being connected to the Reapers and with each other, possibly the
imposition of a collective will.

Congratulations, you just created the Borg.

Right. And where the hell did you get that out of? It's stated that it's an symbiosis between organic and synthetic life, not that there is one overlord who controls the mind of all his minions or that suddenly theres an collective will. It's clearly shown in the memorial scene that all of your crewmembers retain their individuality, connection to Shepard and are still cabable of showing emotions. Even EDI is, thanks to Synthesis. It's being portrayed as a good thing, there's no conspiracy here.

You are affirming the consequent, assuming that there's only one explanation for the observation you're making. And you're jumping to conclusions.

Considering the memorial scene, it's the only evidence we have, so we have to take that, and everything in it, into account. As well as the epilogue which in no way gave any indication at all that all of the galaxys species' were mindless husks (like for example the Borg).

Seriously, without trying to be hostile here (allthough probably I am), this is getting ridicuolus.

Modifié par Bone3ater, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .

[en2ym3]

im commander shep wrote...

Synthesis - the only way to understand it is to ignore everything about it an accept it will work because the Catalyst is always right.????
Or do what I did always pick destroy or reject and don't listen the star kid.

I personally could never pick Synthesis, and I have such a distaste for the ending that the arguably troll-like reject is much more preferable to me.  Also, just not playing the ending - which I've done thus far.

However, I do like discussing it.  Which sort of makes it impossible to ignore certain things, eventually - unles the entire post you're writing is meant to deny something or some argument.

[ghost9191]

well i dislike synthesis ( and by that i mean hate it ) but edi talking about it in the ec epilogue just made it worse i mean "as the line between organic and synthetic disappears, we may transcend mortality itself" she obviously went bats**t crazy while becoming a real girl

[The Angry One]

Bone3ater wrote...


Right. And where the hell did you get that out of? It's stated that it's an symbiosis between organic and synthetic life, not that there is one overlord who controls the mind of all his minions or that suddenly theres an collective will.

Aside from, you know, the whole thing about being connected to the Reapers and each other.
One overlord? Look up the definition of collective will.

It's clearly shown in the memorial scene that all of your crewmembers retain their individuality, connection to Shepard and are still cabable of showing emotions. Even EDI is, thanks to Synthesis. It's being portrayed as a good thing, there's no conspiracy here.

Aside from the whole thing being forced upon them, and EDI was capable of showing emotions before this. This is forced, proves nothing, and is sinister.

You are affirming the consequent, assuming that there's only one explanation for the observation you're making. And you're jumping to conclusions.

Considering the memorial scene, it's the only evidence we have, so we have to take that, and everything in it, into account. As well as the epilogue which in no way gave any indication at all that all of the galaxys species' were mindless husks (like for example the Borg).

Seriously, without trying to be hostile here (allthough probably I am), this is getting ridicuolus.

Yes. The memorial thing where JAVIK, THE ANTI-SYNTHETIC PROTHEAN ISN'T EVEN BOTHERED ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
I take that as evidence for my case, thank you. So they're sad about Shepard. Did I say synthesis removes all emotion. No. Is it imposing a false acceptance on everyone? By the evidence shown, yes.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

They live as slaves to the catalyst overlord

[ghost9191]

and arguing that synthesis will be a utopia is kinda not right i guess. i mean sure edi says something along those lines but last i checked she couldn't see the future. hacket says the same basically in destroy ending except the races don't need to the reapers to achieve. choosing synthesis blinds you to other paths to that end. would rather see the races come together on their own rather then having it forced on them

"together we can build a future greater then any one of us could imagine" hacket

edi says the same but it is forced on people. they are not allowed to achieve that future on their own

Modifié par ghost9191, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .

[ghost9191]

Nyoka wrote...

Synthesis makes everybody tranquil.

My life is satisfactory. I am happy and thankful for the gift of synthesis.

All is well. All is well. All is well.

really hope that is sarcasm:D

[Baronesa]

Nyoka wrote...

Have you guys read that Cortázar short story about the man who found out virtue was a microbe that could be put in syrup and drunk?

You just mentioned Julio Cortázar.

You win infinite internets.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Nyoka wrote...

Synthesis makes everybody tranquil.

My life is satisfactory. I am happy and thankful for the gift of synthesis.

All is well. All is well. All is well.

Heretic detected: not enthusiastic enough.

Has-never-existed protocol engaged.

[Little Princess Peach]

Im trying to wrap my head around the whole thing like how dose shepards D.N.A cause the chain recation to happen but as far as I can tell ever one except shepard lives I mean everyone