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[AxStapleton]

Just to dispel the common notion that ALL destroyers hate or don't care about the Geth or EDI, My Shep did. Very much so. He brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians. He encouraged Joker to try a relationship with EDI. He was a true Paragon. He was just incredibly weary of the two other options. My Shep was just talking to the Illusive Man about how high the risks of Control were, "Are you willing to bet Humanity's existence on it?" We've seen what one entity in control of that level of power has done. My Shepard, for all the universe's imperfections, loved diversity. Forcing that level of change, taking away that diversity (even if it was only on the level of Organics and Synthetics) was abhorrent to him, images of the Reapers and the Husks of all the species come to mind. In his mind, it was the Catalyst's solution. The Reaper's solution. This left him with Destroy. He could erase the Reapers from existence, the Catalyst would be no more. Life would be free. Diversity eventually preserved. But at a terrible cost. The Geth and EDI. But he had to take that decision. He would have taken it if it cost any one of the other races instead of the Synthetics, including Humanity. He considered them just as alive. But it didn't make him feel  any better. However, he didn't buy the crap that it was inevitable for  Synthetics to wipe out all other life. His past experiences taught him  this. Synthetics could be rebuilt. But he knew there would be no  bringing EDI or the Geth back. He hopes that they'll be remembered. That when the time comes for new Synthetic intelligences to be built, that  the lessons learned in this war would not be forgotten. That the same  mistakes wouldn't be repeated. There might not be much left. But there is hope.

Not all destroyers are heartless murderers.
 
P.S.Nor am I saying that people who chose anything else are any worse than me. They're all valid options with a high risk/cost. This is purely my reasoning behind me choosing the Destroy option. Its just a case of what cost you are willing to take to do what you percieve must be done.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:21 .

[Undead Han]

My Shepard was fairly similar to yours. I chose Destroy because it was the only one that actually killed the Reapers, which has been your mission all along.

Also, the destroy ending is a bit more hopeful in the extended cut. When asking the Star Child for clarification on how the Crucible will affect synthetics, the Star Child notes that the war's survivors could potentially rebuild any technology that is destroyed by it. Considering this is said specifically in response to Shepard's question about how synthetics will be affected, it leaves open the possibility that EDI and the Geth *may* someday be rebuilt.

It also makes sense if you think about it. EDI was destroyed and rebuilt once before. Why shouldn't it be possible once again?

[Tealjaker94]

Agreed. I don't just go, "Oh EDI and the geth die too? Fantastic!" I feel bad that they're dying as the result of my actions, but I can't allow that to stop me from making the choice I believe is best for the galaxy.

[tyrvas]

My FemShep thought and did as above.

[The Angry One]

It's okay synthesis says they're not alive anyway.

[Kaica]

^ my reason for destroy.

It was what I was dedicated to do since the first game.

I loved Legion (though he died earlier, not in the end) and EDI, too. I liked all the geth after I learned the truth about the quarian-geth-situation.

They needed to be sacrificed to destroy the reapers. Simple as that.

I didn't do it to survive myself or because I'm a heartless murderer. It needed to be done.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

[Rasofe]

I r heartless murderer though. I only picked destroy because it didn't sound like I would die.

And I'm proud of it!

[Tealjaker94]

The Angry One wrote...

It's okay synthesis says they're not alive anyway.

I still don't get this. EDI says in her goodbye at the FOB "It is only now that I feel truly alive." Now Bioware wants me to think she's actually not alive because she isn't organic? What?

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

[The Angry One]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's okay synthesis says they're not alive anyway.

I still don't get this. EDI says in her goodbye at the FOB "It is only now that I feel truly alive." Now Bioware wants me to think she's actually not alive because she isn't organic? What?

Artistic integrity.

[Tealjaker94]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

I'm sure noone will fault you for that. Oh wait, they probably all will as you become the most hated person of all time for condeming us all to death. At least you didn't choose synthesis though.

[Master Xanthan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

[Master Xanthan]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

Yes, I rather all die as a galaxy than to have to do something a starbrat told me and commit genocide to a species that had agreed to help me. "I won't let fear comprimise who i am" 

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Master Xanthan wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

There is too many "could's" in this.
In destroy the cycle could start again.
In synthesis a super virus could kill everyone
The Galaxy could explode

[Master Xanthan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

Yes, I rather all die as a galaxy than to have to do something a starbrat told me and commit genocide to a species that had agreed to help me. "I won't let fear comprimise who i am" 

So you sacrifice everyone for nothing? ok glad we cleared that up.

[Master Xanthan]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

There is too many "could's" in this.
In destroy the cycle could start again.
In synthesis a super virus could kill everyone
The Galaxy could explode

How would the cycle start again in Destroy? The Catlyst said we would make more synthetics but the only synthetics that were capable of killing us all were the Reapers and with Destroy they are gone. And the Geth alone couldn't kill off all organics so Destroy seems like the best ending to me. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

Yes, I rather all die as a galaxy than to have to do something a starbrat told me and commit genocide to a species that had agreed to help me. "I won't let fear comprimise who i am" 

So you sacrifice everyone for nothing? ok glad we cleared that up.

No, I fulfill what we as a galaxy agreed to do, defeat the reapers or die trying. Not control them, or co-exist with them, We die free knowing that we did everything we could have done to defeat the reapers and never gave in to the Catalyst flawed logic.

[Tealjaker94]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

There is too many "could's" in this.
In destroy the cycle could start again.
In synthesis a super virus could kill everyone
The Galaxy could explode

For the cycle to start again in destroy we would need to build all new reapers and give control of them to an AI. In control AI-Shep just has to come to the conclusion that the cycle is the best way to prevent the destruction of organic life. But that's never happened to an AI before right? Oh wait...it has.

[Undead Han]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So destroying the Reapers makes you a genocidal monster, but not condemning every sapient species in the galaxy to extinction? Because that is what you do when you choose the Reject Ending.

Destroy is the only ending where Shepard and the galaxy actually win the Reaper war. Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings.

[Tealjaker94]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

Yes, I rather all die as a galaxy than to have to do something a starbrat told me and commit genocide to a species that had agreed to help me. "I won't let fear comprimise who i am" 

So you sacrifice everyone for nothing? ok glad we cleared that up.

No, I fulfill what we as a galaxy agreed to do, defeat the reapers or die trying. Not control them, or co-exist with them, We die free knowing that we did everything we could have done to defeat the reapers and never gave in to the Catalyst flawed logic.

Having done everything except using the superweapon that was the centerpoint of your plan.

[Rasofe]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's okay synthesis says they're not alive anyway.

I still don't get this. EDI says in her goodbye at the FOB "It is only now that I feel truly alive." Now Bioware wants me to think she's actually not alive because she isn't organic? What?

As said by a Rogue AI on Godcaine, you'd expect it not to understand that to be alive you don't have to be organic.
Anyway, remember what EDI said, earlier? If she was to approach the Reapers with the questions she wants answered she would be terminated, and the Godchild confirms why. They don't understand.

Edit: Ok, my post doesn't make any sense. what I mean is, Godchild doesn't acknowledge AI like the geth to be alive. EDI is a special exception because of how much time she spends with organics, learning from them. This subplot development is sort of supposed to be in favour of Synthesis because it shows what happens to all men and machines if you do Synthesis.

So the Geth are, by the logic of Mass Effect, not alive but EDI is.

Modifié par Rasofe, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:18 .

[Master Xanthan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So you choose refuse and allow everyone to die instead of just the geth and edi? That sounds even worse. Plus the Geth and Edi are a necessary sacrifice to make sure the Reaper threat is gone. Control and Synthesis don't accomplish that.

Yes, I rather all die as a galaxy than to have to do something a starbrat told me and commit genocide to a species that had agreed to help me. "I won't let fear comprimise who i am" 

So you sacrifice everyone for nothing? ok glad we cleared that up.

No, I fulfill what we as a galaxy agreed to do, defeat the reapers or die trying. Not control them, or co-exist with them, We die free knowing that we did everything we could have done to defeat the reapers and never gave in to the Catalyst flawed logic.

No, what you did was throw away everyone's lives when you could have killed the Reapers and won. You see the people in the destroy ending cheering as the Reapers die? I'm pretty sure they don't care what you did to bring them victory.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Han Shot First wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, it makes you a genocidal monster, whether you felt bad for the Geth/Edi or not, your still killing them, I rather refuse and die as a formed galaxy.

So destroying the Reapers makes you a genocidal monster, but not condemning every sapient species in the galaxy to extinction? Because that is what you do when you choose the Reject Ending.

Destroy is the only ending where Shepard and the galaxy actually win the Reaper war. Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings.

I'm going to copy and pase my previous post.

No, I fulfill what we as a galaxy agreed to do, defeat the reapers or die trying. Not commit genocide or control them, or co-exist with them, We die free knowing that we did everything we could have done to defeat the reapers and never gave in to the Catalyst flawed logic.