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[Tealjaker94]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

And to choose refuse is to condemn us all to death. Good, good.

So that means it's alright to commit war crimes, right?

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

[wantedman dan]

Vexille wrote...

opposed to the "Happy" genocide you inflicted on the galaxy?  I dont see how you can argue its "wrongful"
when your choice cause 100 times the death and destruction.

Observation =/= commission. 

[Rip504]

wantedman dan wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

No, OP, actually you're all heartless genocidal maniacs.

Don't know if joking or trolling or being serious. But you chose Refusal? Fair enough, you have your reasons. I'm not here to tell you whether you are right or wrong. I was just saying why I chose what I did.

I'm being flippant, but the point still stands. To choose to destroy is to choose to commit genocide.

Yes because saving entire civilizations is frowned upon. Asari,Salarians,Humans,Krogans,Etc. All of these races die in the refuse ending,but live in the destroy ending. So one who picks refuse,is willing committing genocide. By your own standard. Shepard's intent in destroy is not to commit genocide upon the Geth,but rather save as much life as Shepard possibly can,while holding the Reapers accountable for their actions. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Vexille wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kaica wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kaica wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kaica wrote...

"I'm pretty sure for destroyers supporters the situation would chance if the Catalyst told them their favorite species had to die, also, at the time picking Destroy is a risk too, how do you know it won't destroy people with synthetic implants."

Well, I stated earlier that my choice wouldn't change no matter the race. Even if it was many races. All I need is someone to enjoy the result and make babies. It is up to everyone whether they believe me or not.

And I expected Shepard to die because of his implants (you can see it on the first page). And I wouldn't mind if it destroyed people with implants (oh god why does this sound like breasts) if there were some left to *look above*

Some, not all. But many people choose destroy just to either live or because they don't care about the Geth.

Or to destroy the Reapers and free not only our cycle,but any other race to come along in the future. At the small sacrifice of the current cycle's synthetic lifeforms. The Reapers deserve death,nothing else IMO. They have murdered countless civilizations. It is their time to pay for their crimes. The Geth is and will be their last crime ever. Shepard is not blamed or held accountable for the death of the Geth,no this course of action is set into motion by the actions of the Reapers,therefor the Reapers are responsible for the death of the Geth. Not Shepard.

I was willing to allow one sacrifice for the freedom of the entire galaxy and the future of all and everything.  I kill hostile Geth everyday in MP. Geth who have killed countless organics with little to NO remorse.(For over 300 years) The Geth have always felt their actions have been justified. So do others who agree or support them. Well Shepard and many living organics will also feel that my destroy choice is Justified. I destroyed the Reapers in "self-defense" so the death of the Geth is right and justified.



"The needs of the many,outweigh the needs of a few." Who Dat!

Shepard is responsible, and also, I said a some not you.

Was the last sentence directed to my comment?

No, but it can apply to you, I understand your reasons for choosing Destroy, but i said a lot of people who choose destroy do it for the sole purpose because shepard can live.

So basically you only have a problem with people who choose Destroy only to let their Sheps live? Not with the ones who choose it for the same reason that I do? That means you have a problem with selfish people who act on selfish purposes, and with that (I think) we can all (well, not all, never all...) agree.

It is not in a direct conflict with your very first comment on this thread, but it is very much specified I mean the direct argument for the whole thread, that destroy makes us genocidal monsters (pg1)

I have a huge problem with people who choose destroy for selfish reasons, i respect people who choose it for the reason you do but i still think you guys commited wrongful genocide.

opposed to the "Happy" genocide you inflicted on the galaxy?  I dont see how you can argue its "wrongful"
when your choice cause 100 times the death and destruction.

I didn't commit genocide, I took my chances and failed, you on your own will commited genocide. I died free.

[wantedman dan]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

[Alushadow]

AxStapleton wrote...

Miezul_Carpatin wrote...

Yes, but he didn't know if the Avengers would be able do shut down the portal. The safe decision would have been to nuke the city.

He knew the Avengers were currently kicking the enemy to kingdom come.

in REAL warfare you cannot count on "what if" and "maybe"
if you go and make a military act based on "maybe...."
people and soldiers die
that's how retarded people lose wars
i never heard someone say "lets shoot a missile on coordination xxx xxx maybe there is a military base that belongs to our enemy's"
that's just stupid and a waste of perfectly good ammo

[77boy84]

I think one of the few good things to come out the ME3 endings is the arguments about about which one is better. They're ALL terrible endings. You guys are literally arguing "Well, this pile of poop isn't as bad as THAT pile of poop!"

Who cares! They're all garbage!

[CesarSan]

The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.

[wantedman dan]

Rip504 wrote...

Yes because saving entire civilizations is frowned upon. Asari,Salarians,Humans,Krogans,Etc. All of these races die in the refuse ending,but live in the destroy ending. So one who picks refuse,is willing committing genocide. By your own standard. Shepard's intent in destroy is not to commit genocide upon the Geth,but rather save as much life as Shepard possibly can,while holding the Reapers accountable for their actions. 

Do you even know the definition of genocide and how it is enacted? Because it directly contradicts your naïve sentiments.

[Tealjaker94]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

[AxStapleton]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

Maybe, but they were people causing problems, not attempting to solve them.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:44 .

[Tealjaker94]

CesarSan wrote...

The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.

How? The Reapers are dead.

[wantedman dan]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.

Do you know the definition of genocide?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

And to choose refuse is to condemn us all to death. Good, good.

So that means it's alright to commit war crimes, right?

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

WOW. I can't...even begin...wow.

[agu123]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.

You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.

The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.

and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.

Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.

Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.

I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.

[wantedman dan]

AxStapleton wrote...

Maybe, but they were people causing problems, not attempting to solve them.

And I would posit that committing war crimes is causing problems.

[Caenis]

AxStapleton wrote...


Not all destroyers are heartless murderers.
 

Well that's good to know because I was under the impression that all Destroyers were heartless murderers, who were willing to sacrifice the Geth and Edi who were repeatedly shown to be evolving into something similar to organics...just so they could go home and sip magarita's with their LI or BFF, signing autographs and living it up...

[Tealjaker94]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.

Do you know the definition of genocide?

And I'm not killing them because they're geth. I'm letting them die so that everyone else can live.

[Kaica]

[/quote]I have a huge problem with people who choose destroy for selfish reasons, i respect people who choose it for the reason you do but i still think you guys commited wrongful genocide.
[/quote]

Which brings us back to the fact that there are no right or wrong answers on this one, only opinions. We can respect each others' opinions and have a good conversation, or we can't, and it all ends in "I'm right, you're wrong"-debate. I think you have brought up excellent reason to choose reject: it's the only fair-for-all option of them all. I'm a perfectionist, and your reason tickles me in a good way. I also see the flaw in your choice (everyone dies and no one is left to enjoy the result). Most of all I want to destroy the reapers, so I stay in my choice and Destroy.

No matter how much one believes his/her choice to be the right one, the best one, to some other it is not. It is something we can either argue to the end of the world or accept and let ourselves broaden our horizons. Okay, now I'm beginning to sound like a preacher, so I'll stop

Anyway, thanks for everyone, I had lots of fun  <3

[AxStapleton]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.

Do you know the definition of genocide?

And we didn't sacrifice the Geth because they were Geth. You just tripped up on your own logic.

[wantedman dan]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

And I'm not killing them because they're geth. I'm letting them die so that everyone else can live.

Yes, you are. You are sacrificing them because they're synthetics.

The Catalyst spoke of this. You probably should re-watch the scene if you can't remember basic facts like that.

[Vexille]

"opposed to the "Happy" genocide you inflicted on the galaxy?  I dont see how you can argue its "wrongful"
when your choice cause 100 times the death and destruction.
[/quote]I didn't commit genocide, I took my chances and failed, you on your own will commited genocide. I died free."


you destroyed the galaxy because you refused to listen to... well EVERYBODY who told you couldnt win conventionally.

You see, in my universe everybody except the geth is getting on with their lives... in yours everybody is dead.

you are REALLY going to argue that you didnt make a stupid choice?

Modifié par Vexille, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:51 .

[wantedman dan]

AxStapleton wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.

Do you know the definition of genocide?

And we didn't sacrifice the Geth because they were Geth. You just tripped up on your own logic.

You sacrificed them because of the cultural group of which they belonged, synthetics.

Try again, buttercup.

[babymoon]

CesarSan wrote...

The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.

Wat. If you mean the Reapers will reappear... 1) How? and 2) No. If you mean the synthetics vs. organics, then well yes, perhaps. But I don't see how it's ethically okay to create God-like Reapers to basically kill all advanced beings in the galaxy just to prevent it.

Also, they're all terrible endings. Destroy is just the one that makes the most sense to me.

[Father_Jerusalem]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.

There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.

OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.

But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.

Do you know the definition of genocide?

I don't know why I'm going to bother with you, but I'll give it a shot.

Shepard's not killing the Geth because they're the Geth, either. They are an unfortuate side effect of what needs to be done to stop the Reapers. If the Starchild had said "Destroy will kill the Reapers." and Shepard had responded with "Hmm, can you throw the Geth in there as well? Then we'll have a deal." then maybe you would have a point.

Choosing Refusal is committing ethnocide on a mass scale because you are CHOOSING to let these civilizations be utterly destroyed rather than stopping the Reapers.

Tell me, again, how that is not letting fear rule you?