77boy84 wrote...
I think one of the few good things to come out the ME3 endings is the arguments about about which one is better. They're ALL terrible endings. You guys are literally arguing "Well, this pile of poop isn't as bad as THAT pile of poop!"
Who cares! They're all garbage!
Yes, it does and so few people who chose destroy seem to get that. Their choice took lives AND changed NOTHING!CesarSan wrote...
The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.
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Modifié par AxStapleton, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .
How did I surrender? The galaxy agreed to fight the Reapers beforehand. To reject the Catalyst's offer is to continue to fight them. If you accept it, If i stop fighting them, then i surrendered,agu123 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.
You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.
The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.
Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.
I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How did I surrender? The galaxy agreed to fight the Reapers beforehand. To reject the Catalyst's offer is to continue to fight them. If you accept it, If i stop fighting them, then i surrendered,agu123 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.
You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.
The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.
Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.
I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.
We as a galaxy became united and gave it everything we had without commiting genocide, I'm pretty sure we would be proud.
You are literally completely wrong. Last time I checked I'm not the one who made the crucible's destroy option target all synthetics. I'm sacrificing the geth because apparently tha's how the crucible works. I hold no ill will towards them and was not given a choice in the matter. You however are clearly busy yelling GENOCIDE while allowing everyone to die.wantedman dan wrote...
AxStapleton wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.wantedman dan wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.
There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.
But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.
Do you know the definition of genocide?
And we didn't sacrifice the Geth because they were Geth. You just tripped up on your own logic.
You sacrificed them because of the cultural group of which they belonged, synthetics.
Try again, buttercup.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I don't know why I'm going to bother with you, but I'll give it a shot.
Shepard's not killing the Geth because they're the Geth, either. They are an unfortuate side effect of what needs to be done to stop the Reapers. If the Starchild had said "Destroy will kill the Reapers." and Shepard had responded with "Hmm, can you throw the Geth in there as well? Then we'll have a deal." then maybe you would have a point.
Choosing Refusal is committing ethnocide on a mass scale because you are CHOOSING to let these civilizations be utterly destroyed rather than stopping the Reapers.
Tell me, again, how that is not letting fear rule you?
How does the cycle begin again without Reapers?Forbry wrote...
Yes, it does and so few people who chose destroy seem to get that. Their choice took lives AND changed NOTHING!CesarSan wrote...
The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How did I surrender? The galaxy agreed to fight the Reapers beforehand. To reject the Catalyst's offer is to continue to fight them. If you accept it, If i stop fighting them, then i surrendered,agu123 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.
You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.
The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.
Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.
I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.
We as a galaxy became united and gave it everything we had without commiting genocide, I'm pretty sure we would be proud.
Yes you did. There are 3 different ways to stop the Reaper cycle. You chose to fight and die "free",rather then saving the entire galaxy and remaining "free". If we are taking the fact that the Catalyst states the Geth will die,then you have to accept the fact that the Catalyst told you,that you would fail otherwise. Hence you are willing to sacrifice all life. You committed genocide on a level only capable by the Reapers. Great job. In destroy Shepard did not commit genocide,Shepard only set the events in motion. Which did end in the Genocide of the Geth. In refuse Shepard sets forth the events that will destroy all life. You chose not to stop the Reapers,when you had a chance to. Allowing the Reapers to harvest every civilization in our cycle,only to be defeated during the next cycle. So yes,one could hold Shepard acountable for the destruction of all life in our cycle.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I didn't commit genocide, I took my chances and failed, you on your own will commited genocide. I died free.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How did I surrender? The galaxy agreed to fight the Reapers beforehand. To reject the Catalyst's offer is to continue to fight them. If you accept it, If i stop fighting them, then i surrendered,agu123 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.
You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.
The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.
Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.
I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.
We as a galaxy became united and gave it everything we had without commiting genocide, I'm pretty sure we would be proud.
Tealjaker94 wrote...
You are literally completely wrong.
Last time I checked I'm not the one who made the crucible's destroy option target all synthetics. I'm sacrificing the geth because apparently tha's how the crucible works. I hold no ill will towards them and was not given a choice in the matter. You however are clearly busy yelling GENOCIDE while allowing everyone to die.
AxStapleton wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How did I surrender? The galaxy agreed to fight the Reapers beforehand. To reject the Catalyst's offer is to continue to fight them. If you accept it, If i stop fighting them, then i surrendered,agu123 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I never said we had to save everyone, but im not destroying a whole species, we are an united galaxy we will fight not surrender to the catalyst logic and reasoning.
You surrendered to the Reapers the moment you said you wouldn't use the Crucible to stop the Catalyst and his talking abominations, just because you didn't want to get your hands dirty.
The galaxy doesn't care about your morals. Asari and Turian children watching their parents getting turned into Reaper ground troops on their respective planets don't care about your ideals. They never said anything about "dying to stop the Reapers", they were busy attempting to survive.and the next cycles defeats the Reapers based on your information, so I died, I didn't commit Genocide, and the Reapers ended up being defeated.
Yay! Congratulations! Someone else did the job for you. Meanwhile, everybody in this cicle is dead.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the Asari, the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Salarians, Humans, the Vorcha, the Hanar and the Drell, the Elcor, the freaking Batarians, the Geth and every other species that is never seen but only mentioned, are being preserved by the Catalyst and his friends.
I hate Kai Leng but if you can't make the hard choices, step aside for those who can.
We as a galaxy became united and gave it everything we had without commiting genocide, I'm pretty sure we would be proud.
Its been said by Bioware that the next cycle end up using the Crucible anyway.
No, I sacrificed them because that was the impact of choosing the only option that destroys the Reapers. Had it been "only Krogans will die" or "only humans will die", I would have made the same decision.wantedman dan wrote...
AxStapleton wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
OK. And countless military generals and leaders of the free world. Douglas MacArthur got the Medal of Honor for leaving behind most of his men in the Philiipines. Because it was the right decision.wantedman dan wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Yes. It does. I believe all the people I saved would agree.
There are countless warlords, dictators, and despots throughout the history of our miserable, yet brief, existence on Earth that are applauding your sentiment.
But he didn't leave them behind because they were human.
Do you know the definition of genocide?
And we didn't sacrifice the Geth because they were Geth. You just tripped up on your own logic.
You sacrificed them because of the cultural group of which they belonged, synthetics.
Try again, buttercup.
Tealjaker94 wrote...
How does the cycle begin again without Reapers?Forbry wrote...
Yes, it does and so few people who chose destroy seem to get that. Their choice took lives AND changed NOTHING!CesarSan wrote...
The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.
Insults, typical. Anyway my arguement is sound, As a galaxy we decided we will kill the reapers or die trying, not to sacrifice a whole species of around 1.5 billion, control them, or co-exist with them. When we build the Crucible we were hoping it would wipe out the Reapers, but when the Geth had to die the variables changed. If your sole purpose is to stop the reapers why not choose control or synthesis, your commiting genocide, and just because the salarian councilor wants to throw everyone under the bus doesn't mean that its right or that i will. Also, they ended up throwing their support, so that point is invalid.Rhosyn wrote...
I keep hearing Khaijit parrot the same words...I don't think he has a real argument. Prove me wrong. Can you say that the ENTIRE GALAXY would be okay with you condemning them to death? You clearly don't understand the part where the Reapers can't be defeated wihout the Crucible. You're beat over the damn head with it numerous times. You would've willingly ignored every caveat to think you still had a chance of winning. The galaxy got behind Shepard with the idea of defeating the Reapers. Nowhere in that did they agree wholesale eradication was a choice. And if you think the galaxy is somehow above "genocide"....I give you Rachni, the Genophage, the Arrival DLC and the asari, turian, and salarian Councilors openly stating they would throw humanity under he bus
You willingly decided to destroy the Geth, you commited Genocide.Rip504 wrote...
Yes you did. There are 3 different ways to stop the Reaper cycle. You chose to fight and die "free",rather then saving the entire galaxy and remaining "free". If we are taking the fact that the Catalyst states the Geth will die,then you have to accept the fact that the Catalyst told you,that you would fail otherwise. Hence you are willing to sacrifice all life. You committed genocide on a level only capable by the Reapers. Great job. In destroy Shepard did not commit genocide,Shepard only set the events in motion. Which did end in the Genocide of the Geth. In refuse Shepard sets forth the events that will destroy all life. You chose not to stop the Reapers,when you had a chance to. Allowing the Reapers to harvest every civilization in our cycle,only to be defeated during the next cycle. So yes,one could hold Shepard acountable for the destruction of all life in our cycle.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I didn't commit genocide, I took my chances and failed, you on your own will commited genocide. I died free.
I didn't say it wasn't genocide. You said that MacArthur's sacrifice was different because he didn't do it because they were human. I'm not commiting genocide on the geth because they're synthetic but because the goddamn Crucible can't target only Reapers.wantedman dan wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
You are literally completely wrong.
Ooh, good defense there.Last time I checked I'm not the one who made the crucible's destroy option target all synthetics. I'm sacrificing the geth because apparently tha's how the crucible works. I hold no ill will towards them and was not given a choice in the matter. You however are clearly busy yelling GENOCIDE while allowing everyone to die.
Doesn't matter. You're willingly choosing to destroy them because they are Synthetic. That is genocide. When you're through with the fit you're throwing because you can't be challenged like an adult, get back with me.
Control, Synthesis, and refusal all stop the cycle.Vexille wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
How does the cycle begin again without Reapers?Forbry wrote...
Yes, it does and so few people who chose destroy seem to get that. Their choice took lives AND changed NOTHING!CesarSan wrote...
The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.
shhhh!!! get your common sense out of here!
wantedman dan wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I don't know why I'm going to bother with you, but I'll give it a shot.
Shepard's not killing the Geth because they're the Geth, either. They are an unfortuate side effect of what needs to be done to stop the Reapers. If the Starchild had said "Destroy will kill the Reapers." and Shepard had responded with "Hmm, can you throw the Geth in there as well? Then we'll have a deal." then maybe you would have a point.
Choosing Refusal is committing ethnocide on a mass scale because you are CHOOSING to let these civilizations be utterly destroyed rather than stopping the Reapers.
Tell me, again, how that is not letting fear rule you?
Shepard is destroying the Geth because they are synthetic. The circumstances of said "sacrifice" are irrelevant in this context. Logically: geth are synthetic; the Crucible indiscriminately destroys synthetics; ergo, by choosing destroy, Shepard willingly chooses to destroy the Geth because they are synthetic. Simple, clean.
The genocide may be an "unfortunate side effect," but it is still genocide.
You do realize that it is the Reapers committing these atrocities, correct? Justifying bad behavior with other bad behavior is fallacious.
Cant Planet wrote...
No, I sacrificed them because that was the impact of choosing the only option that destroys the Reapers. Had it been "only Krogans will die" or "only humans will die", I would have made the same decision.
And it's the decision that is the key. Just as the decision not to act still makes Shepard culpable in Reject.
Don't you ever get tired of misinterpreting everyone else's motives and glorifying your own? I wouldn't mind so much if you weren't so persistently arrogant about it.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Control, Synthesis, and refusal all stop the cycle.Vexille wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
How does the cycle begin again without Reapers?Forbry wrote...
Yes, it does and so few people who chose destroy seem to get that. Their choice took lives AND changed NOTHING!CesarSan wrote...
The destroy option implies that the cycle will eventually begin again.
shhhh!!! get your common sense out of here!
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
You willingly decided to destroy the Geth, you commited Genocide.Rip504 wrote...
Yes you did. There are 3 different ways to stop the Reaper cycle. You chose to fight and die "free",rather then saving the entire galaxy and remaining "free". If we are taking the fact that the Catalyst states the Geth will die,then you have to accept the fact that the Catalyst told you,that you would fail otherwise. Hence you are willing to sacrifice all life. You committed genocide on a level only capable by the Reapers. Great job. In destroy Shepard did not commit genocide,Shepard only set the events in motion. Which did end in the Genocide of the Geth. In refuse Shepard sets forth the events that will destroy all life. You chose not to stop the Reapers,when you had a chance to. Allowing the Reapers to harvest every civilization in our cycle,only to be defeated during the next cycle. So yes,one could hold Shepard acountable for the destruction of all life in our cycle.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I didn't commit genocide, I took my chances and failed, you on your own will commited genocide. I died free.
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