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[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Fine, and now that you know it didn't work you'll admit that you made the wrong choice and you'll do something different next time?

No, because I refuse to commit willingful genocide.

Then trillions of deaths happened that you could've prevented without giving the enemy anything they wanted, all because you're too stubborn to do something hard.

I didn't know that at the time i took my chances and never commited Genocide, I have one Shep and his ending will be Refusal, where fear never compramised him.

The refusal ending is all about fear.  He was afraid to activate the crucible.  He was afraid to make the hard choice.  He was afraid to make the sacrifices necessary to ensure everybody else's survival.  Refusal is the coward's way out.

How is me making a last stand against the reapers mean im afraid, As my Shep said " I fight for freedom, mine and everyone, I fight for the right to choose our own path, and If I die, I'll die knowing i did everything i could to stop you, and ill die free" How is he afraid, Destroy is the easy way out, I won't loss the soul of our species.

You're grasping at straws, in hope that you would not have to sacrifice your life. In the face of death, u cower. A pathetic attempt at prolonging your own life, for a chance that doesnt exist.

Destroy is the only ending that allows you to live, if anything that applies to you not me.

Now you are metagaming.  In destroy Shepard isn't thinking about living our dying he is thinking about destroying the reapers which is what he set out to do.  He walks up to the pipes shooting them knowing the explosion would likely engulf him.  In refusal he just watches the destruction of the galaxy because he refused the use the one tool he had at his disposal,  the one tool he spent most of ME 3 gathering resources and allies to build making everything and everyone's sacrifice in order to build it and deploy it in vain.

[mauro2222]

Nothing is right or wrong here, all the endings suck and are wrong in some way.

You choose what you believe is best. There's no need to discuss who was wrong and who was right, who is a killer and who is a power maniac. Discuss the endings and implications, without felling attacked.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

So you want me to stop Genocide from someone else, by commiting Genocide myself. If I choose not to try to fight the reapers and fail, thats not genocide.

Not for "someone" else. For EVERYONE else. If you choose to fight the Reapers, knowing full well that there is even an 80% chance (and that's being generous beyond any amount of reason) that you will lose and ALL ADVANCED LIFE IN THE GALAXY WILL BE SYSTEMATICALLY WIPED OUT - and you are given not one, not two, but THREE options in which you can PREVENT SUCH THINGS FROM HAPPENING EVER AGAIN - then yes. That's genocide. Completely. Utterly. Absolutely. Genocide.

[Facemelter91]

mauro2222 wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

You're grasping at straws, in hope that you would not have to sacrifice your life. In the face of death, u cower. A pathetic attempt at prolonging your own life, for a chance that doesnt exist.

The same could be said about destroy, the catalyst doesn't say "You will die" in that one.

And that's your interpretation of the refusal ending, which you can't apply to the dude you're quoting since he already told you why he choose it.

No it actually can't. As I said in my early post that if you had the shot on Hitler and didn't take the shot because you would die or your team down the street would be found and killed then that makes you at fault. If you however take the shot and your team dies, you are not put on trial for murder, yes you have a guilty consience, but ultimately it was not your fault, they were unfortunate casualties. The more nobel thing would have been to purposefully make yourself know and run in the opposite direction of your team, but alas we did not have a choice similar to that in the red ending.

[agu123]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Reorte wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Nope, I didn't know full well.

But you did say somewhere back that you'd make the same decision again, this time knowing the consequences.

Why does it matter, I already made my choice, and my first choise is always my final, If everyone knew Refusal would mean you lose, then choosing it would make it genocide and no one would choose also, if refusal wasn't an option, Then I would pick destroy like I did Pre-EC, but thats beside the point.

[DeamonSlaz]

I agree with the OP.

Well said.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

I won't let fear compramise who i am 
In all seriousness, I rather take a chance of winning than just commiting genocide to be sure, thats my opinion.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

Nothing is right or wrong here, all the endings suck and are wrong in some way.

You choose what you believe is best. There's no need to discuss who was wrong and who was right, who is a killer and who is a power maniac. Discuss the endings and implications, without felling attacked.

You mean they aren't ideal sunshine and bunnies endings.  All of the endings have some sort of sacrifice that has to be made.  I am fine with that.  Now that each ending has been expanded upon and explained I am fine with them.  They don't need to be perfect.

[mauro2222]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh. You haven't played the EC yet. Okay, feel free to come back when you know what you're talking about.

"Through his death I was born"

You're terrible at this.

Even the Catalyst tells you this, and even explains to Shep how he can control them if he's dead

[SMichelle]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

So you want me to stop Genocide from someone else, by commiting Genocide myself. If I choose not to try to fight the reapers and fail, thats not genocide.

Not for "someone" else. For EVERYONE else. If you choose to fight the Reapers, knowing full well that there is even an 80% chance (and that's being generous beyond any amount of reason) that you will lose and ALL ADVANCED LIFE IN THE GALAXY WILL BE SYSTEMATICALLY WIPED OUT - and you are given not one, not two, but THREE options in which you can PREVENT SUCH THINGS FROM HAPPENING EVER AGAIN - then yes. That's genocide. Completely. Utterly. Absolutely. Genocide.

I said from, and like i said before, I rather take my chances and fight them, than to just commit genocide and be sure.

[mauro2222]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You mean they aren't ideal sunshine and bunnies endings.  All of the endings have some sort of sacrifice that has to be made.  I am fine with that.  Now that each ending has been expanded upon and explained I am fine with them.  They don't need to be perfect.

No I don't mean anything since I didn't explain why they suck, so don't try to change my post.

[IscrewTali]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Nope, I didn't know full well.

But you did say somewhere back that you'd make the same decision again, this time knowing the consequences.

Why does it matter, I already made my choice, and my first choise is always my final, If everyone knew Refusal would mean you lose, then choosing it would make it genocide and no one would choose also, if refusal wasn't an option, Then I would pick destroy like I did Pre-EC, but thats beside the point.

You just contradicted all that you have been trying to prove in this thread. Thank you.

[mauro2222]

Facemelter91 wrote...

No it actually can't. As I said in my early post that if you had the shot on Hitler and didn't take the shot because you would die or your team down the street would be found and killed then that makes you at fault. If you however take the shot and your team dies, you are not put on trial for murder, yes you have a guilty consience, but ultimately it was not your fault, they were unfortunate casualties. The more nobel thing would have been to purposefully make yourself know and run in the opposite direction of your team, but alas we did not have a choice similar to that in the red ending.

You're metagaming. Shepard doesn't know that, in the same way Shepard doesn't know that Synthesis replaces everyone with happy cyborgs.

Modifié par mauro2222, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

Modifié par babachewie, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:46 .

[Reorte]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I said from, and like i said before, I rather take my chances and fight them, than to just commit genocide and be sure.

If you feel that the odds are that you'll get fewer killed by ignoring the Crucible and fighting on then fair enough (although I'd question that judgement).

[Khajiit Jzargo]

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

[IscrewTali]

mauro2222 wrote...

Facemelter91 wrote...

No it actually can't. As I said in my early post that if you had the shot on Hitler and didn't take the shot because you would die or your team down the street would be found and killed then that makes you at fault. If you however take the shot and your team dies, you are not put on trial for murder, yes you have a guilty consience, but ultimately it was not your fault, they were unfortunate casualties. The more nobel thing would have been to purposefully make yourself know and run in the opposite direction of your team, but alas we did not have a choice similar to that in the red ending.

You're metagaming. Shepard doesn't know that, in the same way Shepard doesn't know that Synthesis replaces everyone with happy cyborgs.

Cyborg is a mix of organic and synthetic. Synthesis is neither. It is a completely new form of life, a life where greed and conflict is only a myth. Shepard knows this.

[Reorte]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

The Catalyst doesn't come across as a liar, it comes across as an idiot. I get the impression that it's telling what it thinks is the truth.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Nope, I didn't know full well.

But you did say somewhere back that you'd make the same decision again, this time knowing the consequences.

Why does it matter, I already made my choice, and my first choise is always my final, If everyone knew Refusal would mean you lose, then choosing it would make it genocide and no one would choose also, if refusal wasn't an option, Then I would pick destroy like I did Pre-EC, but thats beside the point.

You just contradicted all that you have been trying to prove in this thread. Thank you.

Unless you metagame you don't know that, and im proud to say that I'm glad my shepard stuck to what he believed. and the scenario i posted its stupid anywy, because you always have a chance, and if theres even a bit of a chance, i will always choose refusal.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

So how are you going to defeat the reapers?  With your predator pistol?  Good luck

[IscrewTali]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

Which brings us back to the fun part. If you think he was lying, what makes you believe the Geth would be whiped out in Destroy ending?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

Which brings us back to the fun part. If you think he was lying, what makes you believe the Geth would be whiped out in Destroy ending?

I didn't meant to say he was lying, I said that if i would have though he was lying, i would had not even consider his options.