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[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

So how are you going to defeat the reapers?  With your predator pistol?  Good luck

As an united galaxy not comprimising the souls of our species.

[mauro2222]

IscrewTali wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Facemelter91 wrote...

No it actually can't. As I said in my early post that if you had the shot on Hitler and didn't take the shot because you would die or your team down the street would be found and killed then that makes you at fault. If you however take the shot and your team dies, you are not put on trial for murder, yes you have a guilty consience, but ultimately it was not your fault, they were unfortunate casualties. The more nobel thing would have been to purposefully make yourself know and run in the opposite direction of your team, but alas we did not have a choice similar to that in the red ending.

You're metagaming. Shepard doesn't know that, in the same way Shepard doesn't know that Synthesis replaces everyone with happy cyborgs.

Cyborg is a mix of organic and synthetic. Synthesis is neither. It is a completely new form of life, a life where greed and conflict is only a myth. Shepard knows this.

You don't need to read everything in a literal way

And the conflict part it's a big lie, I can't believe you eat that. The Krogan hybrids still hate the Salarian Hybrids and the Quarian Hybrids still hate the Geth Hybrids. And if they don't hate each other that means they were lobotomized and Synthesis changed who they are and what they are, which makes Synthesis worse.

Understanding =/= accepting.

Synthesis doesn't solve anything at all, it doesn't even look at the core of the problem.

[mauro2222]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

...and the Rachni were indoctrinated.

[SMichelle]

For me it was always Destroy.  Always.  No question.

Catalyst "Well you could destroy us...but"

Shepard "Thanks.  That red tube over there is it then...?"

Catalyst "But...Wait...I've got 2 other colors to tell you about..."

Shepard "No.  I'm good. Thanks"  (Shep shoots the  red tube)


The whole point of the trilogy is to stop the Reapers.  My Shepard would sacrifice herself, her crew, and (as lamentable as it is) another race to stop the death of trillions that has gone on for eons.  And I believe EDI and the Geth would agree.  Shepard says herself.  The Reapers can't be reasoned with.  The don't fear us, and they will show us no mercy.  Either we fight or we die.  We know that conventional war will fail.  We know this because countless cycles have tried it before.  Nothing makes us special.  Nothing except the Crucible.  We are the first to have completed it.  Thus, it must be used.  I used it for Destroy.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

mauro2222 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

...and the Rachni were indoctrinated.

Don't even bother arguing with the stupidity.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

So how are you going to defeat the reapers?  With your predator pistol?  Good luck

As an united galaxy not comprimising the souls of our species.

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

But why do you believe him?  Even before the EC I didn't believe ghost kid.  Shepard is severly wounded.  Severly.  Bleeding out, probable concussion.  Then some random "catalyst" program tells me I can choose 1 of three beams.  Sure, I could choose destroy - but see how it's highlighted in red- red is bad...It will kill me and EDI and the Geth.  You like EDI and the Geth don't you?  That's why you need to choose this blue beam, you can control us...like the indcoctrinated TIM  said.  Okay?  Or you can choose to combine organics and synthetics in the green beam.  No really.  I'm serious.  (just go with it okay?).  I totally wouldn't lie.

Yet.  He did lie.  Shep lives.  Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

Me thinking he was lying just gives me more reasons not to choose his options.

So how are you going to defeat the reapers?  With your predator pistol?  Good luck

As an united galaxy not comprimising the souls of our species.

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

Again the crucible was though to destroy the reapers but without the killing all geth part ya know....I'm not commiting Genocide, when theres even the smallest chance to defeat them. I'm done arguing this too, its just a big circle.

[IscrewTali]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

This is partly true. A large portion of the ME3 Geth are members of the original Heretic faction, who believe Reapers to be Synthetic Gods. Them and the Geth decided to join ranks to defeat the Quarians, with the help of the Reapers.

If the Geth are willing to succumb to the will of the Reapers in order to survive, are they worthy of saving? Yes they abandon the Reapers and join Shepard, but only when it is the only chance for continued existence.(Legion is willing to kill Shepard in order for Geth to live on, dooming the galaxy). and none of this is metagaming, dont give me that argument.

[mauro2222]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

[Rip504]

There is no chance. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,with no way of stopping them.

If all you needed was a "chance" then why waste time and resources building a super weapon? So you could decide not to use it?

While building the Crucible we did not know it's function,but assumed it was a super weapon that could defeat the Reapers. This is why all of the galaxy united to build the Crucible. If it were possible to defeat the reapers w/o it, they may have not wasted time and resources into building a super weapon,while their planets fell and burned. A chance of winning w/o the crucible makes the entire ME3 story pointless.

The entire galaxy agrees on building a super weapon to defeat the Reapers. Then when you get it and have the chance to use it you tell the galaxy,Nah I wasted your time and resources and didn't want to go through with it. It messed with my morals,so instead I have decided to let you all fend for yourself. (And die,with no way of stopping the Reapers,especially after so many ships and resources have been put into the Crucible and retaking Earth.)Making Shepard's role in ME3 pointless.

The Galaxy DID agree to build a super weapon,and the galaxy DID agree to use it. One man/woman's will changed that. The galaxy never agreed to build a super weapon and then not use it.

Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.

Modifié par babachewie, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:07 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rip504 wrote...

There is no chance. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,with no way of stopping them.

If all you needed was a "chance" then why waste time and resources building a super weapon? So you could decide not to use it?

While building the Crucible we did not know it's function,but assumed it was a super weapon that could defeat the Reapers. This is why all of the galaxy united to build the Crucible. If it were possible to defeat the reapers w/o it, they may have not wasted time and resources into building a super weapon,while their planets fell and burned. A chance of winning w/o the crucible makes the entire ME3 story pointless.

The entire galaxy agrees on building a super weapon to defeat the Reapers. Then when you get it and have the chance to use it you tell the galaxy,Nah I wasted your time and resources and didn't want to go through with it. It messed with my morals,so instead I have decided to let you all fend for yourself. (And die,with no way of stopping the Reapers,especially after so many ships and resources have been put into the Crucible and retaking Earth.)Making Shepard's role in ME3 pointless.

The Galaxy DID agree to build a super weapon,and the galaxy DID agree to use it. The galaxy never agreed to build a super weapon and then not use it.

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

I am glad my Shepards at least had the guts to make the difficult choices necessary to ensure the end of the reaper threat.  Be it destroy, synthesis, or control at least these three options let me end the reaper threat and save the galaxy.  Something I have set out to do since ME 1.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[mauro2222]

IscrewTali wrote...

This is partly true. A large portion of the ME3 Geth are members of the original Heretic faction, who believe Reapers to be Synthetic Gods. Them and the Geth decided to join ranks to defeat the Quarians, with the help of the Reapers.

If the Geth are willing to succumb to the will of the Reapers in order to survive, are they worthy of saving? Yes they abandon the Reapers and join Shepard, but only when it is the only chance for continued existence.(Legion is willing to kill Shepard in order for Geth to live on, dooming the galaxy). and none of this is metagaming, dont give me that argument.

If you choose rewrite instead of destroy.

They didn't decided to join the Reapers in order  to defeat the Quarians. They joined the Reapers to survive, or do you forget that the Quarians attacked and destroyed the Dyson Sphere while they were being uploaded into it.

The quarians forced the geth to become stupid, to become more simple, survival was top priority. The Quarians started a war while the Reapers where destroying the galaxy. The only idiots not worthy of being saved are the Quarians. And Legion attacks Shepard because he's dooming his entire race, that's like saying that Wrex should not take the sabotage as a personal treason, for god's sake, your killing the entire Krogan species.

Modifié par mauro2222, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

This is partly true. A large portion of the ME3 Geth are members of the original Heretic faction, who believe Reapers to be Synthetic Gods. Them and the Geth decided to join ranks to defeat the Quarians, with the help of the Reapers.

If the Geth are willing to succumb to the will of the Reapers in order to survive, are they worthy of saving? Yes they abandon the Reapers and join Shepard, but only when it is the only chance for continued existence.(Legion is willing to kill Shepard in order for Geth to live on, dooming the galaxy). and none of this is metagaming, dont give me that argument.

If any species would have someone trying to kill them for years, and then again would have been to the brink of existence, hey would have probaly joined the reapers too, and Legion said it was a very difficult decision so lets just stop this arguement now.

[ghost9191]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

There is no chance. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,with no way of stopping them.

If all you needed was a "chance" then why waste time and resources building a super weapon? So you could decide not to use it?

While building the Crucible we did not know it's function,but assumed it was a super weapon that could defeat the Reapers. This is why all of the galaxy united to build the Crucible. If it were possible to defeat the reapers w/o it, they may have not wasted time and resources into building a super weapon,while their planets fell and burned. A chance of winning w/o the crucible makes the entire ME3 story pointless.

The entire galaxy agrees on building a super weapon to defeat the Reapers. Then when you get it and have the chance to use it you tell the galaxy,Nah I wasted your time and resources and didn't want to go through with it. It messed with my morals,so instead I have decided to let you all fend for yourself. (And die,with no way of stopping the Reapers,especially after so many ships and resources have been put into the Crucible and retaking Earth.)Making Shepard's role in ME3 pointless.

The Galaxy DID agree to build a super weapon,and the galaxy DID agree to use it. The galaxy never agreed to build a super weapon and then not use it.

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

you had already lost most of your shields in the frontal attack on the reapers to allow hammer to land. you risked everything to use the crucible. not using it you know damn well there was no chance of beating them. therefore you intentionally sacrificed the whole galaxy for the sake to keep your honor. sacrifice the whole galaxy or just geth hmm

[agu123]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

I won't let fear compramise who i am 
In all seriousness, I rather take a chance of winning than just commiting genocide to be sure, thats my opinion.

Chance of winning? Excuse me?

Shepard is bleeding to death while everyone outside is getting slaughtered by Harbinger & Co.

Anderson was the only person who got past Harbinger's laser. And he's dead.

We sacrificed most of our ground troops just to make sure we would get to the beam; we see ships blowing up all around the Catalyst chamber desperately waiting for Shepard to activate the Crucible, and you still believe we stand a chance?

[Heimdall]

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

It's Shepard that decides who lives and dies here, the Catalyst was right about that much.  It is incapable of using any of the three options itself.

So out of spite, Shep would let the galaxy burn...

[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.

I think everyone can agree some points on this arguement are just plain stupid, so im not going to try to refute it.

[SMichelle]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

There is no chance. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,with no way of stopping them.

If all you needed was a "chance" then why waste time and resources building a super weapon? So you could decide not to use it?

While building the Crucible we did not know it's function,but assumed it was a super weapon that could defeat the Reapers. This is why all of the galaxy united to build the Crucible. If it were possible to defeat the reapers w/o it, they may have not wasted time and resources into building a super weapon,while their planets fell and burned. A chance of winning w/o the crucible makes the entire ME3 story pointless.

The entire galaxy agrees on building a super weapon to defeat the Reapers. Then when you get it and have the chance to use it you tell the galaxy,Nah I wasted your time and resources and didn't want to go through with it. It messed with my morals,so instead I have decided to let you all fend for yourself. (And die,with no way of stopping the Reapers,especially after so many ships and resources have been put into the Crucible and retaking Earth.)Making Shepard's role in ME3 pointless.

The Galaxy DID agree to build a super weapon,and the galaxy DID agree to use it. The galaxy never agreed to build a super weapon and then not use it.

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

Because you have NO CHANCE of winning conventially.  NO CHANCE.  Countless cycles have tried and failed.  The only thing that makes our cycle any different is we completed the Crucible.  The Catalyst confirms this.  We are the FIRST to have gotten so far.

So by your inaction you doomed our cycle to death.  Thankfully, we're shown that the next cycle learned from our mistake and used the Crucible.

Modifié par SMichelle, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:18 .

[mauro2222]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

Not at all, he doesn't follow the Starchild crazy logic, he doesn't submit to Reapers, that's the Shepard you were playing through the series. The "fear the consequences" is an asspull, how is willing to die if you're not granted freedom being a coward?

[ghost9191]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

This is partly true. A large portion of the ME3 Geth are members of the original Heretic faction, who believe Reapers to be Synthetic Gods. Them and the Geth decided to join ranks to defeat the Quarians, with the help of the Reapers.

If the Geth are willing to succumb to the will of the Reapers in order to survive, are they worthy of saving? Yes they abandon the Reapers and join Shepard, but only when it is the only chance for continued existence.(Legion is willing to kill Shepard in order for Geth to live on, dooming the galaxy). and none of this is metagaming, dont give me that argument.

If any species would have someone trying to kill them for years, and then again would have been to the brink of existence, hey would have probaly joined the reapers too, and Legion said it was a very difficult decision so lets just stop this arguement now.

geth already joined reapers once and that was before the events of me3. and before you say "oh they were heretics" they are still geth, just different faction.  they preferred submission to extinction

[Khajiit Jzargo]

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

I won't let fear compramise who i am 
In all seriousness, I rather take a chance of winning than just commiting genocide to be sure, thats my opinion.

Chance of winning? Excuse me?

Shepard is bleeding to death while everyone outside is getting slaughtered by Harbinger & Co.

Anderson was the only person who got past Harbinger's laser. And he's dead.

We sacrificed most of our ground troops just to make sure we would get to the beam; we see ships blowing up all around the Catalyst chamber desperately waiting for Shepard to activate the Crucible, and you still believe we stand a chance?

It's my opinion, Like i said before even the smallest chance is better than commiting genocide, go and commit your war crimes, and step down to their level thats your decision, you prefer to submit  rather than die fighting, your choice...not mine.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

ghost9191 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

IscrewTali wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

This is partly true. A large portion of the ME3 Geth are members of the original Heretic faction, who believe Reapers to be Synthetic Gods. Them and the Geth decided to join ranks to defeat the Quarians, with the help of the Reapers.

If the Geth are willing to succumb to the will of the Reapers in order to survive, are they worthy of saving? Yes they abandon the Reapers and join Shepard, but only when it is the only chance for continued existence.(Legion is willing to kill Shepard in order for Geth to live on, dooming the galaxy). and none of this is metagaming, dont give me that argument.

If any species would have someone trying to kill them for years, and then again would have been to the brink of existence, hey would have probaly joined the reapers too, and Legion said it was a very difficult decision so lets just stop this arguement now.

geth already joined reapers once and that was before the events of me3. and before you say "oh they were heretics" they are still geth, just different faction.  they preferred submission to extinction

So do you.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

ghost9191 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

There is no chance. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,with no way of stopping them.

If all you needed was a "chance" then why waste time and resources building a super weapon? So you could decide not to use it?

While building the Crucible we did not know it's function,but assumed it was a super weapon that could defeat the Reapers. This is why all of the galaxy united to build the Crucible. If it were possible to defeat the reapers w/o it, they may have not wasted time and resources into building a super weapon,while their planets fell and burned. A chance of winning w/o the crucible makes the entire ME3 story pointless.

The entire galaxy agrees on building a super weapon to defeat the Reapers. Then when you get it and have the chance to use it you tell the galaxy,Nah I wasted your time and resources and didn't want to go through with it. It messed with my morals,so instead I have decided to let you all fend for yourself. (And die,with no way of stopping the Reapers,especially after so many ships and resources have been put into the Crucible and retaking Earth.)Making Shepard's role in ME3 pointless.

The Galaxy DID agree to build a super weapon,and the galaxy DID agree to use it. The galaxy never agreed to build a super weapon and then not use it.

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

you had already lost most of your shields in the frontal attack on the reapers to allow hammer to land. you risked everything to use the crucible. not using it you know damn well there was no chance of beating them. therefore you intentionally sacrificed the whole galaxy for the sake to keep your honor. sacrifice the whole galaxy or just geth hmm

I'll take a 0.01% of winning over commiting genocide.