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[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

...and the Rachni were indoctrinated.

Don't even bother arguing with the stupidity.

Nobody knew about indoctrination or reapers during the rachni wars. the Rachni were spreading across the galaxy annihilating everything and the galaxy was losing until the Krogan came. What did you expect them to do? Oh hey by the way before we kill all of you, are you all controlled by countless large organic synthetic hybrid beings bent of haversting all life in the glaaxy every 50,000 years? In highsight yes its unfortunate now knowing what happened with the rachni but then they didnt know it and had to deal with it with the only way they knew how

[Rip504]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Catalyst is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[ghost9191]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

I won't let fear compramise who i am 
In all seriousness, I rather take a chance of winning than just commiting genocide to be sure, thats my opinion.

Chance of winning? Excuse me?

Shepard is bleeding to death while everyone outside is getting slaughtered by Harbinger & Co.

Anderson was the only person who got past Harbinger's laser. And he's dead.

We sacrificed most of our ground troops just to make sure we would get to the beam; we see ships blowing up all around the Catalyst chamber desperately waiting for Shepard to activate the Crucible, and you still believe we stand a chance?

It's my opinion, Like i said before even the smallest chance is better than commiting genocide, go and commit your war crimes, and step down to their level thats your decision, you prefer to submit  rather than die fighting, your choice...not mine.

so you would rather let the whole galaxy die then destroy the geth?  i mean come on that is genocide in itself, look up the definition, you know you won't win yet you still refuse

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

Not at all, he doesn't follow the Starchild crazy logic, he doesn't submit to Reapers, that's the Shepard you were playing through the series. The "fear the consequences" is an asspull, how is willing to die if you're not granted freedom being a coward?

Galaxy seems pretty damn free after the reapers are rendered inert and collapse.  Or did I miss something when I saw those asari and krogan celebrating?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

Not at all, he doesn't follow the Starchild crazy logic, he doesn't submit to Reapers, that's the Shepard you were playing through the series. The "fear the consequences" is an asspull, how is willing to die if you're not granted freedom being a coward?

Galaxy seems pretty damn free after the reapers are rendered inert and collapse.  Or did I miss something when I saw those asari and krogan celebrating?

Thats metagaming. and i bet the geth, edi, joker, etc aren't.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .

[babachewie]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.

I think everyone can agree some points on this arguement are just plain stupid, so im not going to try to refute it.

Yes we can all agree some points(yours) are stupid. I wouldnt try to refute me either.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible. 

[ghost9191]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

and in doing so you commit genocide, nice. at least those of us that choose destroy accept the fact that we commit genocide, but you are in denial

[Khajiit Jzargo]

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.

No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.

Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable. 

The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.

It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.

I think everyone can agree some points on this arguement are just plain stupid, so im not going to try to refute it.

Yes we can all agree some points(yours) are stupid. I wouldnt try to refute me either.

Such as? you don't have to refute my arguements, just tell me whats stupid.

[mauro2222]

ghost9191 wrote...

geth already joined reapers once and that was before the events of me3. and before you say "oh they were heretics" they are still geth, just different faction.  they preferred submission to extinction

Submission? Those geth thought the Reapers were gods, they didn't knew they were considered as tools and nothing else. The difference between true geth and heretics is that the heretics decided to use the Reapers as a mean to achieve their future more quickly. It's clear that the Reapers from ME1 are not the same in ME3, Sovereign dialogue is all you need.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

ghost9191 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.

TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE

This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.

Yeah, right now I wonder: how did your Shepard get to the rank of Commander? Only an incompetent and naive person would think that we still have a chance of conventional victory after hearing that Hammer (which includes the best of the Turians, Asari and Krogan) was almost wiped out, and seeing Sword being slaughtered by the Reapers all around him in the decision room.

Without counting the dozens of Reapers destroying stuff in the other Clusters. Your Shepard must be very optimistic or incredibly stupid.

But in the end this doesn't matter, I bet he had fun watching the whole fleet getting annihilated by the Reaper forces. At least he remained loyal to his ideals.

Wanna know the funny thing? After the Reapers wiped out every civilization, the next cycle only won because Liara decided to make a time capsule. Turns out she was the hero of the Mass Effect series all along. Shepard was merely an incompetent human commander.

I won't let fear compramise who i am 
In all seriousness, I rather take a chance of winning than just commiting genocide to be sure, thats my opinion.

Chance of winning? Excuse me?

Shepard is bleeding to death while everyone outside is getting slaughtered by Harbinger & Co.

Anderson was the only person who got past Harbinger's laser. And he's dead.

We sacrificed most of our ground troops just to make sure we would get to the beam; we see ships blowing up all around the Catalyst chamber desperately waiting for Shepard to activate the Crucible, and you still believe we stand a chance?

It's my opinion, Like i said before even the smallest chance is better than commiting genocide, go and commit your war crimes, and step down to their level thats your decision, you prefer to submit  rather than die fighting, your choice...not mine.

so you would rather let the whole galaxy die then destroy the geth?  i mean come on that is genocide in itself, look up the definition, you know you won't win yet you still refuse

I didn't know beforehand so i took my chance and tried. I didn't commit genocide but failed.

[ghost9191]

mauro2222 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

geth already joined reapers once and that was before the events of me3. and before you say "oh they were heretics" they are still geth, just different faction.  they preferred submission to extinction

Submission? Those geth thought the Reapers were gods, they didn't knew they were considered as tools and nothing else. The difference between true geth and heretics is that the heretics decided to use the Reapers as a mean to achieve their future more quickly. It's clear that the Reapers from ME1 are not the same in ME3, Sovereign dialogue is all you need.

should've been more specific. i meant the geth in me3 preffered submission

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

Not at all, he doesn't follow the Starchild crazy logic, he doesn't submit to Reapers, that's the Shepard you were playing through the series. The "fear the consequences" is an asspull, how is willing to die if you're not granted freedom being a coward?

Galaxy seems pretty damn free after the reapers are rendered inert and collapse.  Or did I miss something when I saw those asari and krogan celebrating?

Thats metagaming. and i bet the geth, edi, joker, etc aren't.

You don't have to metagame to guess how destroy will play out.  And you know what the geth, edi, and joker would completely understand the destroy option and agree under the circumstances that it is perfectly logical.

[IscrewTali]

Then again, this entire thread is from the Paragon POV. Paragon is like a jedi, he doesnt think of himself, only others. He would be willing to lay down his life, so that his loved ones would live on. Refusal is not that person. As it has been through all ME games, shooting something allways involves a renegade action, being uncaring, rash, perhaps even ruthless. Is Refusal any different?

[Rip504]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible. 

Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"

[mauro2222]

babachewie wrote...

Nobody knew about indoctrination or reapers during the rachni wars. the Rachni were spreading across the galaxy annihilating everything and the galaxy was losing until the Krogan came. What did you expect them to do? Oh hey by the way before we kill all of you, are you all controlled by countless large organic synthetic hybrid beings bent of haversting all life in the glaaxy every 50,000 years? In highsight yes its unfortunate now knowing what happened with the rachni but then they didnt know it and had to deal with it with the only way they knew how

And you now know the Geth are indoctrinated, why they are indoctrinated and who's to blame for the indoctrination, and you still decide to do it... what's your point?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The united galaxy is burning in the skies over earth while the reapers systematically destroy them while you made all of their sacrifices in vain by refusing to deploy the crucible.  You know the entire point of sword fleet, the entire point of hammer, and the entire point of shield fleet?  To deploy and use the crucible. To end the war once and for all.

And Shep doesn't reject the Crucible, he rejects the three options given by the one that controls the Reapers, the one that decides who lives and who dies.

He has a chance to use the crucible and he doesn't use it because he fears the consequences, he is not willing to do what is necessary to end the reaper threat contradicting everything he has been saying for three games.

Not at all, he doesn't follow the Starchild crazy logic, he doesn't submit to Reapers, that's the Shepard you were playing through the series. The "fear the consequences" is an asspull, how is willing to die if you're not granted freedom being a coward?

Galaxy seems pretty damn free after the reapers are rendered inert and collapse.  Or did I miss something when I saw those asari and krogan celebrating?

Thats metagaming. and i bet the geth, edi, joker, etc aren't.

You don't have to metagame to guess how destroy will play out.  And you know what the geth, edi, and joker would completely understand the destroy option and agree under the circumstances that it is perfectly logical.

How did you know that it won't destroy people with synthetic implants, or that there isn't a trick. metagaming.

[Rip504]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I didn't know beforehand so i took my chance and tried. I didn't commit genocide but failed.

Well you are the only person who did not know. The galaxy built a super weapon for this very reason.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.

To defeat the reapers, not to sacrifice a species to win the war.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I didn't know beforehand so i took my chance and tried. I didn't commit genocide but failed.

Well you are the only person who did not know. The galaxy built a super weapon for this very reason.

Theres always a slim chance. And I won't let the fate of the galaxy be forced by a space bully sorry. I know you want to submit rather than extinction, but I rather die trying like my Shep said in ME1

[IscrewTali]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible. 

Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"

When it comes down to life and death, there is no chance. there is only the right and wrong decision. Live, or Die. When you're holding the lives of trillions in your hands, u can throw "chance" out the airlock.

[ghost9191]

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No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.

To defeat the reapers, not to sacrifice a species to win the war.

to be fair if yyou got on the radio and asked for everyones opinion they wouldve probably hell yes send those bastards back to hell. maybe the geth mightve said we are building a consensus but damn it there isnt the time

[KotorEffect3]

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The variables changed that was the best chance but when 
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.

No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.

You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.

No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. 
So i refuse.

And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible. 

Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"

You are not submitting to the reapers when you are destroying them.  You are standing on their corpses.  You aren't submitting to the catalyst you used the crucible to force him to change the variables.  If anything at this point the reapers are the ones that are submitting, with the crucible deployed they have a gun pointed at their head.