ghost9191 wrote...
should've been more specific. i meant the geth in me3 preffered submission
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
To defeat the reapers, not to sacrifice a species to win the war.Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist.
So i refuse.
No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.
Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .
Every decision is a gamble, that statement is invalid.IscrewTali wrote...
When it comes down to life and death, there is no chance. there is only the right and wrong decision. Live, or Die. When you're holding the lives of trillions in your hands, u can throw "chance" out the airlock.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist.Rip504 wrote...
No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The variables changed that was the best chance but when
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.
You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.
So i refuse.
And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible.
Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .
KotorEffect3 wrote...
You don't have to metagame to guess how destroy will play out. And you know what the geth, edi, and joker would completely understand the destroy option and agree under the circumstances that it is perfectly logical.
Its stupid you chose a bunch of self preservating toasters over the entire galaxy. The thing is Geth can be wiped out but the quarians knowledge on how to rebuild them doesnt. I seriously hope you're never are in a position to make important decisions that effect peoples lives no bigger than getttng an order right at a dairy queen. Refuse is the dumbest choice in Mass Effect. It literally makes no sense unless you really believed you were indoctrinated, which by the result you werent.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Such as? you don't have to refute my arguements, just tell me whats stupid.babachewie wrote...
Yes we can all agree some points(yours) are stupid. I wouldnt try to refute me either.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I think everyone can agree some points on this arguement are just plain stupid, so im not going to try to refute it.babachewie wrote...
It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.babachewie wrote...
Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.babachewie wrote...
Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.
TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE
This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.
Modifié par babachewie, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:33 .
Toaster eh..Ignorance is bliss.babachewie wrote...
Its stupid you chose a bunch of self preservating toasters over the entire galaxy. The thing is Geth can be wiped out but the quarians knowledge on how to rebuild them doesnt. I seriously hope you're never are in a position to make important decisions that effect peoples lives no bigger than getttng an order right at a dairy queen. Refuse is the dumbest choice in Mass Effect. It literally makes no sense unless you really believed you were indoctrinated, which by the result you werent.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Such as? you don't have to refute my arguements, just tell me whats stupid.babachewie wrote...
Yes we can all agree some points(yours) are stupid. I wouldnt try to refute me either.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I think everyone can agree some points on this arguement are just plain stupid, so im not going to try to refute it.babachewie wrote...
It doesnt matter why they joined the Reapers. They joined the Goddamn Reapers. I dont know any other species who would of done that without being indoctrinated first. I'm not sayin the quarians dont have any blame in this, but it still not a good enough reason. Also I destroyed the heritics in ME2 and they joined anyway out of cowardness. They feared annhilation and joined what they thought was the winning side. No Loyalty even after I helped them in the 2nd game. Again not worth the galaxy. You made a poor choice and the geth die anyway or more likely re-written again to serve the reapers. But thats your universe. Thank god my Shepard was bit smarter.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The geth only sided with the Reapers because the Quarians attack, their called the heretics, did you even pay attention to LEgion in ME2, im not arguing this.babachewie wrote...
Words of a mad man. The Geth would destroy you and everyone else to get what they want. They even joined the Reapers twice. ME1 and ME3 even after I, an organic, tried to play nice and destroy the Reaper faction in ME2. They are not worth the entire galaxy. Neither was the Rachni and they were delt with too back in the Rachni wars when the Galaxy together believed unleashing the Krogan and commiting so called genocide was the best option. Your decision is inexcusable.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, As I wrote before, when we build the crucible we believed that it would destroy reapers, when i learned it would destroy the Geth, the variables changed, as a galaxy we agreed to kill the reapers but not to commit genocide to one of the species, or control, or co-exist with them. So I'm doing the right thing.babachewie wrote...
Well to me it seems like you can't make the tough decisions so you submit to defeat. Which is a cowards way. You'd be stripped of your command dishonorable discharged not only for that but for disobeying a direct order from your commanding officer....if you and everyoen else werent dead. People busted thier asses and sacrificed many lives to get that thing built and put into position and just to get there and decide not to you use it is inexcusable. Not only that the options werent even the Catalyst's. The Catalysts didnt build nor come up with the plans for the Crucible. The options were from the many cycles of millions of species who built and perfected it over the countless milennia. The Cataylsts didnt even know what it did until it was changed when it interfaced with it after it attached with the Citadel. Not only did you commit mass extinction and doom the galaxy for 50,000. You did it for the wrong reason you didnt even fully even understand. So the next cycle had to pick up the slack. good job.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Posting it again, I'm tired of explaining myself.
TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS REFUSAL IS GENOCIDE
This is honestly the last time im going to explain it because it doesn't go in your brain. I took my chances, chances meaning that there was a possibility, and tried to defeat them conventionally because I didn't want to commit genocide or choose the Catalyst absurd options. I ended up failing, but it wasn't genocide, the odds were extremely against us, but they weren't completely against us, so that means we failed, not that I commited genocide. You willingly destroyed a whole Species, you commited genocide, i didn't do it willingly because their was even a small chance to live, you knew the geth were going to die no matter what, you commited genocide, accept it, and deal with it, last time im explaining it.
Modifié par fil009, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:38 .
Yup, I die free. Also, the next cycle doesn't choose destroy but chooses synthesis.SMichelle wrote...
You are not submitting. You are doing NOTHING. And by doing nothing you have doomed the cycle to destruction. You knew conventional warfare would fail. You knew this because ALL previous cycles failed. ALL. Trillions and trillons of lives over EONS. Fought and failed.
The Catalyst tells you that you are the FIRST to have gotten so far. The first to complete the Crucible. To NOT use it horrible.
Thankfully, the next cycle uses it and the Repear threat is ended.
babachewie wrote...
Its stupid you chose a bunch of self-preservating Geth over the entire galaxy. The thing is Geth can be wiped out but the quarians knowledge on how to rebuild them doesnt. I seriously hope you're never are in a position to make important decisions that effect peoples lives no bigger than getttng an order right at a dairy queen. Refuse is the dumbest choice in Mass Effect. It literally makes no sense unless you really believed you were indoctrinated, which by the result you werent.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Toaster eh..Ignorance is bliss.
Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:37 .
I'm not getting into this arguement, i wish wandteda man was here, he would prove you completely wrong but meh, if you wanna argue it send me a message.fil009 wrote...
Synthetic life is not equal to organic life, believing this doesn't make me a heartless murderer it makes me human.
When the US had the chance to end the war with Japan by dropping nukes, did they refuse and say "whatever happens, we fought honorably". NO they dropped those damn nukes the first chance they got ending the war AND killing innocents. That is the mentality which wins wars. On the other hand, the US had no chance of winning the Vietnam war, because they couldnt use nukes. Both wars was fought against an opponent who's tactics were ruthless and savage, the only chance for them to win was to stoop to their level.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Every decision is a gamble, that statement is invalid.IscrewTali wrote...
When it comes down to life and death, there is no chance. there is only the right and wrong decision. Live, or Die. When you're holding the lives of trillions in your hands, u can throw "chance" out the airlock.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist.Rip504 wrote...
No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The variables changed that was the best chance but when
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.
You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.
So i refuse.
And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible.
Were going to keep going in a circle, I'm going to say I believed we still a very small chance to win convenationally so i would take the very small chance over choosing destroy, then you will call me stupid, then i'll argue it, etc.Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Its stupid you chose a bunch of self-preservating Geth over the entire galaxy. The thing is Geth can be wiped out but the quarians knowledge on how to rebuild them doesnt. I seriously hope you're never are in a position to make important decisions that effect peoples lives no bigger than getttng an order right at a dairy queen. Refuse is the dumbest choice in Mass Effect. It literally makes no sense unless you really believed you were indoctrinated, which by the result you werent.
Toaster eh..Ignorance is bliss.
babachewie wrote...
Its stupid you chose a bunch of self preservating toasters over the entire galaxy. The thing is Geth can be wiped out but the quarians knowledge on how to rebuild them doesnt. I seriously hope you're never are in a position to make important decisions that effect peoples lives no bigger than getttng an order right at a dairy queen. Refuse is the dumbest choice in Mass Effect. It literally makes no sense unless you really believed you were indoctrinated, which by the result you werent.
At the time you made your choice did you think it more likely that fewer people would die by attacking the Reapers or by making use of Destroy? Which was more likely to result in fewer friendly casualties?Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"
I don't agree with them dropping nukes, and I believed that they shouldn't have done it, until not even the smallest chance of them winning the war conventionally existed.IscrewTali wrote...
When the US had the chance to end the war with Japan by dropping nukes, did they refuse and say "whatever happens, we fought honorably". NO they dropped those damn nukes the first chance they got ending the war AND killing innocents. That is the mentality which wins wars. On the other hand, the US had no chance of winning the Vietnam war, because they couldnt use nukes. Both wars was fought against an opponent who's tactics were ruthless and savage, the only chance for them to win was to stoop to their level.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Every decision is a gamble, that statement is invalid.IscrewTali wrote...
When it comes down to life and death, there is no chance. there is only the right and wrong decision. Live, or Die. When you're holding the lives of trillions in your hands, u can throw "chance" out the airlock.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No, when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist.Rip504 wrote...
No nothing changed. Your knowledge expanded. The weapon was built, and the galaxy was expecting it to be implemented in the war. One person's will changed that. Not variables,your will. You decided what was best for the galaxy. Just as the Crucible is doing now. Yes you can say picking one of the three choices is also deciding for the galaxy,but the galaxy has agreed to use one of those three choices. By building and agreeing to use the crucible. They did not agree not to use one of these choices. You can in no way justify reject. The outcome was the most obvious outcome of any ending.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
The variables changed that was the best chance but when
It told me I had to kill the Geth, things change, we go to our backup plan, beat them conventionally, whats so hard to understand.
You chose to fight the Reapers conventionally after wasting numerous resources,making conventional victory less likely.
You made a poor choice,based on poor logic IMO.
So i refuse.
And you can use the crucible to destroy the reapers, yet you won't do it because you don't want to sacrifice the geth who are dead anyway if you don't use the crucible.
Shepard KNEW INGAME NO METAGAME that they had no chance to win them with conventional warfare, yet decided not to use the "nuke" ending the war and killing the Geth. Now you're thinking "those wars didnt involve genocide", you're right, but the morals stay the same. Either you make the hard call, or you dont and lose.
I also die free,and we do not have to wait another 50,000 years and trillions of deaths later to defeat the Reapers.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yup, I die free. Also, the next cycle doesn't choose destroy but chooses synthesis.SMichelle wrote...
You are not submitting. You are doing NOTHING. And by doing nothing you have doomed the cycle to destruction. You knew conventional warfare would fail. You knew this because ALL previous cycles failed. ALL. Trillions and trillons of lives over EONS. Fought and failed.
The Catalyst tells you that you are the FIRST to have gotten so far. The first to complete the Crucible. To NOT use it horrible.
Thankfully, the next cycle uses it and the Repear threat is ended.
Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
To defeat the reapers, not to sacrifice a species to win the war.Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No,when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. So i refuse.
No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.
It also wasn't built to sacrifice all life and lose the war. Sacrificing a species while winning the war and defeating the reapers. Holds two of the main reasons it was built. Reject holds none.
Modifié par Rip504, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .
I believed more people would have died if we attacked the reaper, but it was going to be united as a galaxy not just sacrificing one species to win.Reorte wrote...
At the time you made your choice did you think it more likely that fewer people would die by attacking the Reapers or by making use of Destroy? Which was more likely to result in fewer friendly casualties?Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again thats metagaming, I took my chance and failed, i failed, so be it, at least i didn't take the easy way out and commit genocide. I have a question for you, do you believe in this quote "is submission not preferable to extinction"
IscrewTali wrote...
When the US had the chance to end the war with Japan by dropping nukes, did they refuse and say "whatever happens, we fought honorably". NO they dropped those damn nukes the first chance they got ending the war AND killing innocents. That is the mentality which wins wars. On the other hand, the US had no chance of winning the Vietnam war, because they couldnt use nukes. Both wars was fought against an opponent who's tactics were ruthless and savage, the only chance for them to win was to stoop to their level.
Modifié par mauro2222, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:47 .
Pretty much anything about the geth from the ending onwards is speculation (and speculation that I don't mind too much this time). Since we've no idea exactly how they've been killed we don't know if their memories are at all intact. Quite possibly not; back in ME1 it's said to be quite difficult to salvage memory from a dead geth unit but it's not certain.mauro2222 wrote...
The quarians don't have the knowledge nor ability to bring back the Geth as they were before Destroy.
You can create a new "Geth", but they aren't going to be the same. They lack the experience, decisions, opinions, knowledge, conclusions, actions, feelings, the original Geth have.
And the term Toaster is pretty racist. You're a monkey with a huge ego and destructive desire, but you're called human.
You dont die free, you die knowing you went against every shepard has stood for 3 games.Rip504 wrote...
I also die free,and we do not have to wait another 50,000 years and trillions of deaths later to defeat the Reapers.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yup, I die free. Also, the next cycle doesn't choose destroy but chooses synthesis.SMichelle wrote...
You are not submitting. You are doing NOTHING. And by doing nothing you have doomed the cycle to destruction. You knew conventional warfare would fail. You knew this because ALL previous cycles failed. ALL. Trillions and trillons of lives over EONS. Fought and failed.
The Catalyst tells you that you are the FIRST to have gotten so far. The first to complete the Crucible. To NOT use it horrible.
Thankfully, the next cycle uses it and the Repear threat is ended.Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
To defeat the reapers, not to sacrifice a species to win the war.Rip504 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
No,when the crucible was built, it was built to destroy the reapers, we pour our resources for a machine that would destroy the reapers, but not to commit genocide, control, or co-exist. So i refuse.
No it was built to "defeat" the Reapers,which it does. You chose otherwise. You chose to allow the Reapers to harvest all life in our cycle,and we all know the galaxy is against this. It is why they built the Crucible.
It also wasn't built to sacrifice all life and lose the war. Sacrificing a species while winning the war and defeating the reapers. Holds two of the main reasons it was built. Reject holds none.
That is metagaming.
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