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[Khajiit Jzargo]

alienatedflea wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I choose Refutal ;p

giving up...seems disappointing haha

I don't see it as giving up, "I see it as were going to win this war how we want to win it, not by your stupid options" It was a shame, BW could have expanded in this ending by showing the Galaxy last stand or even doing something crazy like 8000 EMS allows you to win, but it was a middle finger to the fans.

[Rip504]

I protected the life we live and have now,without alternating much. No need to feel guilt or remorse. Also no need to feel right or correct when speaking of the death of the Geth.

I am a Spectre. The first and last line of defense. I protect that which is sacred. Life as we know it. Sorry Geth,I did what I chose to do. My job is/was to protect this galaxy. I did.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

shadey wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
]Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

you can't lose your humanity

that is just some pseudospiritual babble.

No man, somethings are just inhumane, like cannibalism or necrophilia, those things make you lose your humanity.

[B.Shep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I disagree, you are still human both physically and mentally on Destroy...

ps: I wonder if the name of this topic should be changed to add something like that "We are not all heartless murderers! - Destroy appreciation thread"

[SMichelle]

alienatedflea wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

gawd...is everyone part of the literary police....

No.  But I do resent being called stupid.  Insults do not help promote discourse.  If you disagree with me, that's fine.

[agu123]

alienatedflea wrote...

agu123 wrote...

You just said that organics are forced to become as heartless as the Reapers. Which is impossible in my opinion. Hence the sarcasm.

Do you understand now?

youre joking right? >.< read Taboo's comment...to destroy the enemy, I have to become the enemy...or something like that...

as shepard said in Mass Effect one when he tries to get the body of a windowers killed at Eden Prime...he said something to the effect that we can't lose our humanity in the process...destroy and synthesis (in a way...since I am pro-synthesis) we lose our humanity...the cost is too greater

Oh, I suppose I missed the part where Taboo-XX stated that his Shepard's will is equal to the will of every organic being in the Galaxy. Please direct me to that statement.

Because you said that by choosing destroy "we force all organics to become as heartless as the Reapers".

[Taboo]

B.Shep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I disagree, you are still human both physically and mentally on Destroy...

ps: I wonder if the name of this topic should be changed to add something like that "We are not all heartless murderers! - Destroy appreciation thread"

You misunderstand what I mean. My Shepard is going to feel very guilty about what he did. Many sleepless nights.

I have no idea why people think reuniting with Miranda and the crew is going to solve all of my issues.

I have done something monstrous, something I cannot possibly atone for.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

B.Shep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I disagree, you are still human both physically and mentally on Destroy...

ps: I wonder if the name of this topic should be changed to add something like that "We are not all heartless murderers! - Destroy appreciation thread"

It should have been called
Destroy VS Refutal-The never ending arguement
Cause thats how it feels.

[alienatedflea]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
machines see in facts...not emotions

Off topic: Researchers used to think that AI could only be achieved by rational thought. Emotion was always waved away as being too complex or irrelevant. However, since about a decade ago they came to the understanding that it was emotion that made thought possible. This has proven to be a milestone in their research. We'll see what it brings.

interesting...

[carrmatt91]

alienatedflea wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
machines see in facts...not emotions

Off topic: Researchers used to think that AI could only be achieved by rational thought. Emotion was always waved away as being too complex or irrelevant. However, since about a decade ago they came to the understanding that it was emotion that made thought possible. This has proven to be a milestone in their research. We'll see what it brings.

interesting...

off topic: anyone tried cleverbot? its an attempt at an AI, it simulates conversations and is judged through turing tests to be at about 59% human at this time

edit: just asked it what it thought about the ME3 ending and it's reply was "it was white" 

Modifié par carrmatt91, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

The one thing Mass Effect has done to my life that can never be undone is how it made me curious about other life forms in the universe, I know this has nothing to do with the thread but just felt like putting that out there.

[Taboo]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I disagree, you are still human both physically and mentally on Destroy...

ps: I wonder if the name of this topic should be changed to add something like that "We are not all heartless murderers! - Destroy appreciation thread"

You misunderstand what I mean. My Shepard is going to feel very guilty about what he did. Many sleepless nights.

I have no idea why people think reuniting with Miranda and the crew is going to solve all of my issues.

I have done something monstrous, something I cannot possibly atone for.

I thought the geth were already dead in your Shepard's playthrough.

They aren't in the new playthrough. I plan on making things worse for myself.

[B.Shep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You already lose your humanity, regardless of what you choose. Literally, in Synthesis, Physically in Control, or Mentally in Destroy.

I disagree, you are still human both physically and mentally on Destroy...

ps: I wonder if the name of this topic should be changed to add something like that "We are not all heartless murderers! - Destroy appreciation thread"

You misunderstand what I mean. My Shepard is going to feel very guilty about what he did. Many sleepless nights.

I have no idea why people think reuniting with Miranda and the crew is going to solve all of my issues.

I have done something monstrous, something I cannot possibly atone for.

Sorry, guess I misunderstood what you meant;)
Anyway, i feel bad for the Geth but even so i still think destroying the reapers is worth the consequences. For me, letting them acting as "shepherds" for the other races is asking for something to go wrong.

Modifié par B.Shep, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:19 .

[Andromidius]

Way I see it, Shepard isn't killing the Geth or EDI. The Reapers are, as a final act of spite.

The fact the Crucible is little more then a giant battery, we have to assume the Citadel is the device capable of doing the three endings. And thus the Reapers designed it. And thus its very likely they made it so if the Reapers are shut down, it causes a chain reaction that kills other synthetics too.

Casaulties of war and all that.

I'd argue that NOT picking destroy makes you more of a heartless monster. You let the Reapers live, and you force a new order on the Galaxy (either your own with Control, or with Space Magic in Synthesis).

[SMichelle]

carrmatt91 wrote...

this thread has given me the worst headache ever...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

 

in refuse ALL of humanity LITTERALLY loses their humanity just as the asari lose their asari-ness and the turians etc. mainly because THEY ARE ALL DEAD/WORSE.

and i don't care that your saying everyone who chose destroy did it just because the geth die and they wanted to commit genocide , its not like i looked at control and synthesis and thought to myself, "id never choose them because they DON'T kill the geth" if i could choose for the geth and EDI to live in destroy you can bet your a** i would, but thats the cost of war im afraid, the geth dying in destroy is the lessar of the two evils aka, either the geth die or everyone in this current cycle dies. 

you're just going to say "but i died free!" like you have for everyone else but im gonna say, err... no you were likely harvested along with every other race you knew and loved (apart from geth who were probably killed anyway), enjoy life as a reaper for the next 50K years until someone steps up to the plate and makes the exact same decision you should have made in the first place.

whose to say the people in the next cycle didn't sacrifice even more synthetics to kill the reapers?

Indeed.  Everyone being turned into a Reaper to harvest the next cycle is losing *their* humanity.  Also, lets not forget the Batarians, Asari, Salarians etc.

My Shepard will live with her decision.  And all of the children in this cycle and into the future will be able to live because she was willing to make that sacrifice.

You can stand on your principles if you want, but remember all of the dead you're standing on because of them.

Modifié par SMichelle, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:22 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

SMichelle wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

this thread has given me the worst headache ever...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

 

in refuse ALL of humanity LITTERALLY loses their humanity just as the asari lose their asari-ness and the turians etc. mainly because THEY ARE ALL DEAD/WORSE.

and i don't care that your saying everyone who chose destroy did it just because the geth die and they wanted to commit genocide , its not like i looked at control and synthesis and thought to myself, "id never choose them because they DON'T kill the geth" if i could choose for the geth and EDI to live in destroy you can bet your a** i would, but thats the cost of war im afraid, the geth dying in destroy is the lessar of the two evils aka, either the geth die or everyone in this current cycle dies. 

you're just going to say "but i died free!" like you have for everyone else but im gonna say, err... no you were likely harvested along with every other race you knew and loved (apart from geth who were probably killed anyway), enjoy life as a reaper for the next 50K years until someone steps up to the plate and makes the exact same decision you should have made in the first place.

whose to say the people in the next cycle didn't sacrifice even more synthetics to kill the reapers?

Indeed.  Everyone being turned into a Reaper to harvest the next cycle is losing *their* humanity.  Also, lets not forget the Batarians, Asari, Salarians etc.

My Shepard will live with her decision.  And all of the children in this cycle and into the future will be able to live because she was willing to make that sacrifice.

You can stand on your principles if you want, but remember all of the dead you're standing on because of them.

We didn't loose our humanity we died, thats how i see it.

[Taboo]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I plan on making things worse for myself.

I don't see why you'd want to do that, but okay.

Art.

I'm dead serious.

[B.Shep]

One thing i wonder is why the Catalyst let you choose. He is only able to shut down the crucible if you don't pick either control, synthesis or destroy. He even state he didn't want to be replaced by Shepard during the control explanation...
Maybe some directive was forcing him to obey?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

B.Shep wrote...

One thing i wonder is why the Catalyst let you choose. He is only able to shut down the crucible if you don't pick either control, synthesis or destroy. He even state he didn't want to be replaced by Shepard during the control explanation...
Maybe some directive was forcing him to obey?

One word.
Artistic Integrity

[Taboo]

He's a proxy. He surrenders to you.

I thought that this was obvious. He can't fight you, so he offers all the possible options.

[SMichelle]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

this thread has given me the worst headache ever...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

 

in refuse ALL of humanity LITTERALLY loses their humanity just as the asari lose their asari-ness and the turians etc. mainly because THEY ARE ALL DEAD/WORSE.

and i don't care that your saying everyone who chose destroy did it just because the geth die and they wanted to commit genocide , its not like i looked at control and synthesis and thought to myself, "id never choose them because they DON'T kill the geth" if i could choose for the geth and EDI to live in destroy you can bet your a** i would, but thats the cost of war im afraid, the geth dying in destroy is the lessar of the two evils aka, either the geth die or everyone in this current cycle dies. 

you're just going to say "but i died free!" like you have for everyone else but im gonna say, err... no you were likely harvested along with every other race you knew and loved (apart from geth who were probably killed anyway), enjoy life as a reaper for the next 50K years until someone steps up to the plate and makes the exact same decision you should have made in the first place.

whose to say the people in the next cycle didn't sacrifice even more synthetics to kill the reapers?

Indeed.  Everyone being turned into a Reaper to harvest the next cycle is losing *their* humanity.  Also, lets not forget the Batarians, Asari, Salarians etc.

My Shepard will live with her decision.  And all of the children in this cycle and into the future will be able to live because she was willing to make that sacrifice.

You can stand on your principles if you want, but remember all of the dead you're standing on because of them.

We didn't loose our humanity we died, thats how i see it.

...but you LITERALLY become a Reaper.  You can't lose your humanity any more than that I'd say.  LITERALLY lose your humanity and become a REAPER.

[carrmatt91]

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

this thread has given me the worst headache ever...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

 

in refuse ALL of humanity LITTERALLY loses their humanity just as the asari lose their asari-ness and the turians etc. mainly because THEY ARE ALL DEAD/WORSE.

and i don't care that your saying everyone who chose destroy did it just because the geth die and they wanted to commit genocide , its not like i looked at control and synthesis and thought to myself, "id never choose them because they DON'T kill the geth" if i could choose for the geth and EDI to live in destroy you can bet your a** i would, but thats the cost of war im afraid, the geth dying in destroy is the lessar of the two evils aka, either the geth die or everyone in this current cycle dies. 

you're just going to say "but i died free!" like you have for everyone else but im gonna say, err... no you were likely harvested along with every other race you knew and loved (apart from geth who were probably killed anyway), enjoy life as a reaper for the next 50K years until someone steps up to the plate and makes the exact same decision you should have made in the first place.

whose to say the people in the next cycle didn't sacrifice even more synthetics to kill the reapers?

Indeed.  Everyone being turned into a Reaper to harvest the next cycle is losing *their* humanity.  Also, lets not forget the Batarians, Asari, Salarians etc.

My Shepard will live with her decision.  And all of the children in this cycle and into the future will be able to live because she was willing to make that sacrifice.

You can stand on your principles if you want, but remember all of the dead you're standing on because of them.

We didn't loose our humanity we died, thats how i see it.

...but you LITERALLY become a Reaper.  You can't lose your humanity any more than that I'd say.  LITERALLY lose your humanity and become a REAPER.

exactly, the reapers make more reapers using dead bodies, its why the colonists in ME2 were liquified and the citadel was full of dead bodies, i have no idea how it works but i'll just assume a form of space magic using some made up form of genetic memory or something 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

this thread has given me the worst headache ever...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Thats why I don't choose destroy, i know war is harsh, but this is losing your humanity.

 

in refuse ALL of humanity LITTERALLY loses their humanity just as the asari lose their asari-ness and the turians etc. mainly because THEY ARE ALL DEAD/WORSE.

and i don't care that your saying everyone who chose destroy did it just because the geth die and they wanted to commit genocide , its not like i looked at control and synthesis and thought to myself, "id never choose them because they DON'T kill the geth" if i could choose for the geth and EDI to live in destroy you can bet your a** i would, but thats the cost of war im afraid, the geth dying in destroy is the lessar of the two evils aka, either the geth die or everyone in this current cycle dies. 

you're just going to say "but i died free!" like you have for everyone else but im gonna say, err... no you were likely harvested along with every other race you knew and loved (apart from geth who were probably killed anyway), enjoy life as a reaper for the next 50K years until someone steps up to the plate and makes the exact same decision you should have made in the first place.

whose to say the people in the next cycle didn't sacrifice even more synthetics to kill the reapers?

Indeed.  Everyone being turned into a Reaper to harvest the next cycle is losing *their* humanity.  Also, lets not forget the Batarians, Asari, Salarians etc.

My Shepard will live with her decision.  And all of the children in this cycle and into the future will be able to live because she was willing to make that sacrifice.

You can stand on your principles if you want, but remember all of the dead you're standing on because of them.

We didn't loose our humanity we died, thats how i see it.

...but you LITERALLY become a Reaper.  You can't lose your humanity any more than that I'd say.  LITERALLY lose your humanity and become a REAPER.

Thats after I died, commiting Genocide is done while I'm alive,