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[Rip504]

carrmatt91 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I protected the life we live and have now,without alternating much. No need to feel guilt or remorse. Also no need to feel right or correct when speaking of the death of the Geth.

I am a Spectre. The first and last line of defense. I protect that which is sacred. Life as we know it. Sorry Geth,I did what I chose to do. My job is/was to protect this galaxy. I did.

just proves how selfish the destroy option really is...

would have been better to phrase it as "i did what i had to do"

No it wouldn't have. Four options,Shepard(I) have to choose one of them.  Hence I did what I chose to do. Accepting responsibility for my actions. I didn't choose to kill the Geth. I chose to destroy the Reapers derp. In the process I killed the Geth,I was simply accepting responsibility for my actions. A casualty of war.

Also the Galaxy accepted and agreed to build and USE the Crucible. As I have stated plenty of times.
It was my job to hit the on switch. There just happens to be three different on switches. I Shepard have to decide which on switch to hit. So I Shepard Chose to do it.(R/B/G/R) The United galaxy decided to use it. They didn't decide to throw away countless resources and time,so Shepard could discard the super weapon and lose the War. They built it to defeat the Reapers and win the war,which it can do. They fully expect Shepard to use the Crucible,not come back and say I didn't do it,because it messed with my morals. So instead I have decided to doom us all.

When Shepard rejects the use of this super weapon,Shepard is putting his/her will above every other in the galaxy. Shepard is stating that his/her "solution" is the correct one,even if the galaxy disagrees. The United galaxy helped build the crucible because they believe conventional victory is not possible. So they built a super weapon capable of defeating the Reapers. Shepard says no this is a bad idea,it messes with my morals. Now Shepard's "solution",to lose conventionally,goes against the very concept of ME3 and the united galaxy's motives. Placing Shepard's "Solution" above any other. When the use of the Crucible has already been agreed upon by a united galaxy.

Modifié par Rip504, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Please Destroy doesn't need to justify itself, we are the only realists here, we put an end to the threat while the others get there individualism and free will taken away and end up controlled by a Shepard god Dictator. Destroy in the long run will have the least amount of casualties.

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Yes that is true but we knew ME 3 would be the most brutal we knew ME 3 would be about the reapers.  The difference is ME 3 doesn't let up.  ME 1 and ME 2 have moments where the games ease off the accelerator and we can relax a little bit.  ME 3 doesn't do that it comes at you hard and just keeps coming at you harder and harder.

-snip-

ME 3 doesn't let up and it shouldn't let up.  The reapers are here and they mean business.

Okay, and Shepard has made a career of doing the impossible. The very fact that the endings are divorced from this concept is poor narrative.

How so?  Because you don't get the perfect ending you were hoping for?  Where the reapers were destroyed with no sacrifice?  In ME 3 you saw brutalness of what the reapers were doing, you saw what they were doing to Thessia. you saw what those people had become at Sanctuary (yeah it was cerberus but they were just doing the same thing the reapers do everywhere else)  You saw the abominations they had turned people into this became very clear on the mission in which you banshees are first introduced (that mission might be the creepiest one in the damn series along with the collector ship from ME 2) and you can end that nightmare, all you have to do is use the crucible.

[N7Gold]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

There is too many "could's" in this.
In destroy the cycle could start again.
In synthesis a super virus could kill everyone
The Galaxy could explode

Asari, Turians Batarians and all the other races are not stupid, they aren't going to get up and randomly create synthetics like the Catalyst believes. There are strict laws on creating AIs and synthetics by the Citadel Council. The quarians got in trouble for creating the Geth and lost their embassy.

[spirosz]

Agreed.

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How so?

I couldn't care less about your personal narratives.

They are poorly executed because my choices had no effect--by design. In a series where my choices directly influenced concepts of the story--by design.

The two are antithetical.

[Pacifien]

wantedman dan wrote...
The point being, you should be able to get the ending you wanted and I should have gotten mine, especially from a series which has so treasured the concept of self-determination.

There's something off about this type of comment that I cannot quite figure out. I understand not like the endings. I understand not like the game because of the endings. But there's something about saying you should have gotten the ending you wanted, that it should have been an option available to you, I don't want to say you are wrong because you may be right. It just sounds off.

It sounds like someone recommending me a video game series and I demand to know what type of ending to expect to see if it's within my standards before I play it. It doesn't matter if the rest of the video game is enjoyable to play, but that it all hinges on the ending. 

I suppose if you were like me and devoted five years of your life playing and waiting to play these games and got an ending that made you feel like it just wasn't worth it in the end, then yeah, that's a gutted feeling. And I've been there, it was the called the Star Wars prequels.

But I'm not in your position. I'm an outsider looking in and I can say that the comment looks off. It sounds wrong. It sounds emotional and, if you were to see someone say it about a series that you have no personal attachment to, you might see that it appears off as well.

But again, I could be very wrong because I cannot place my finger on *why* it seems that way.

[wantedman dan]

Pacifien wrote...

It sounds like someone recommending me a video game series and I demand to know what type of ending to expect to see if it's within my standards before I play it. 

What? That, in no way, is what I'm demanding.

[LadyMarisa]

I have played my Shepard (from the first moment of ME1 all the way through) as a thoroughly loyal military woman. Humanity and the Alliance always came first, but I didn't hate aliens and did what I could, where I could to improve relations. A mostly Paragon Shep. Even though I helped developed the Geth and Edi too, I chose Destroy. It was a hard choice, really had. I didn't like that Startard said it would destroy all synthetics but I truly thought they would understand (were they still around). Everyone that ever worked with my Shepard knew how committed I was to destroying the Reapers. I didn't choose it because I *wanted* to murder my synthetic friends, I chose it because it was the very thing I'd been working towards. It was a distasteful choice but it was the only thing that I saw would result in my ultimate goal. I figured that some people would cheer me, many would hate me for forcing the decision I chose

I look at it the way I did with Arrival. I didn't *want* to kill all those Batarians, I tried to warn them and to evacuate. The choice was taken out of my hands (some foreshadowing I maybe should have picked up on). I was willing to make the hard choice and suffer the consequences for it (still pissed I didn't get to see my trial). And that's how I felt about Destroy. My Shepard would deal with it if she came to be vilified for killing EDI and the Geth, but at least the Reapers are dead and gone.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Same boat. Crushed me to know I had to sacrifice EDI and the Geth, but my Shep knows they're alive, and as such would know they'd give themselves up to save the galaxy from the Reapers

The decision is still painful, but.... its the only way

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How so?

I couldn't care less about your personal narratives.

They are poorly executed because my choices had no effect--by design. In a series where my choices directly influenced concepts of the story--by design.

The two are antithetical.

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

So we're all just supposed to play along with what you think, despite how differently we play, right?

[carrmatt91]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How so?

I couldn't care less about your personal narratives.

They are poorly executed because my choices had no effect--by design. In a series where my choices directly influenced concepts of the story--by design.

The two are antithetical.

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

it should have been high ems refuse was conventional victory, then my order of endings with best at the top would be:

high ems refuse
high ems destroy
synthesis
control
low ems destroy
low ems refuse

[Rip504]

carrmatt91 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How so?

I couldn't care less about your personal narratives.

They are poorly executed because my choices had no effect--by design. In a series where my choices directly influenced concepts of the story--by design.

The two are antithetical.

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

it should have been high ems refuse was conventional victory, then my order of endings with best at the top would be:

high ems refuse
high ems destroy
synthesis
control
low ems destroy
low ems refuse

So we spend all of ME3 building a super weapon,wasting time,resources,and lives,because the galaxy feels as if conventional victory is not possible. Then after we lose all of these lives and resources we turn around and beat them conventionally. After they have been kicking our a** throughtout ME3. After the pointless concept and losses at retaking Earth and the Citadel. After our United Fleet failed to retake Earth or the Citadel w/o the use of the Crucible. After the entire galaxy agreed to build and use the cruicible and Shepard's "solution" changes that...

Yea,Awesome ending that makes so much sense.

Modifié par Rip504, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:08 .

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

So we're all just supposed to play along with what you think, despite how differently we play, right?

We spent ME 3 gathering resources and people to build the crucible.  The entire point of priority earth was to get the crucible deployed and used.  The reapers were built up as a foe that was impossible to beat and for good reason.  They have not been defeated ever and this has been going on for millions of years.  It is established very early on in ME 3 that the crucible is the only way to defeat the reapers.  Even Shepard should have limitations to what he can and can't do.  You want a fairly tale ending.

[Pacifien]

N7Gold wrote...
Asari, Turians Batarians and all the other races are not stupid, they aren't going to get up and randomly create synthetics like the Catalyst believes. There are strict laws on creating AIs and synthetics by the Citadel Council. The quarians got in trouble for creating the Geth and lost their embassy.

The Catalyst thinks in the millions of years. The Council races think in the thousands. There might not be another synthetic society for another 50,000 years or even 500,000 years. But according to the Catalyst, there will be, and the cycle will start again.

However, the Catalyst turned on its creators. The Catalyst says synthetics would wipe organics out, and it was right, but in the end, it was one synthetic that wiped out the organics of the first cycle: the Catalyst. Whatever problems its creators were having with synthetics, while it may have led to war, it didn't lead to the creators' annhilation. They did that to themselves. And then the ongoing organic/synthetic dynamic was projected onto every cycle afterwards by the Catalyst based on what the Catalyst knew about organic/synthetic relations. With each cycle, it just confirms the Catalyst's theory, which was flawed to begin with. 

[Naugi]

If Shepard had spent 3 games talking about the need to hold hands with the Reapers I might have chosen Control.

If Shepard had spent 3 games talking about the need for everyone to be assimilated into a borg style collective removing the cultural identity and diversity of every species in the galaxy, I might have chosen Synthesis.

But seeing as Shepard spent 3 games talking about destroying the Reapers I chose Destroy.

Go figure ...

Modifié par Naugi, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:08 .

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

So we're all just supposed to play along with what you think, despite how differently we play, right?

We spent ME 3 gathering resources and people to build the crucible.  The entire point of priority earth was to get the crucible deployed and used.  The reapers were built up as a foe that was impossible to beat and for good reason.  They have not been defeated ever and this has been going on for millions of years.  It is established very early on in ME 3 that the crucible is the only way to defeat the reapers.  Even Shepard should have limitations to what he can and can't do.  You want a fairly tale ending.

You can continue building that strawman as long as you'd like. It doesn't make you any more correct.

Furthermore, justifying a poorly thought-out and even more so poorly executed ending by pointing to a MacGuffin--a poor literary device itself--is hilarious.

[DPSSOC]

N7Gold wrote...
Asari, Turians Batarians and all the other races are not stupid,

You played the trilogy right?  Maybe the races aren't stupid but they've all got idiots in charge.

[Pacifien]

wantedman dan wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
It sounds like someone recommending me a video game series and I demand to know what type of ending to expect to see if it's within my standards before I play it. 

What? That, in no way, is what I'm demanding.

If you're going to pull just that one comment out of all I wrote, then forget I wrote it.

The main reason why I'm in the thread was to point out the similarity in how the original poster felt he was viewed for choosing the destruction option and how I was viewed for letting the Destiny Ascension fend for itself while the Alliance focused on Sovereign: heartless. In spite of being paragon.

[carrmatt91]

Rip504 wrote...

carrmatt91 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How so?

I couldn't care less about your personal narratives.

They are poorly executed because my choices had no effect--by design. In a series where my choices directly influenced concepts of the story--by design.

The two are antithetical.

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

it should have been high ems refuse was conventional victory, then my order of endings with best at the top would be:

high ems refuse
high ems destroy
synthesis
control
low ems destroy
low ems refuse

So we spend all of ME3 building a super weapon,wasting time,resources,and lives,because the galaxy feels as if conventional victory is not possible. Then after we lose all of these lives and resources we turn around and beat them conventionally. After they have been kicking our a** throughtout ME3. After the pointless concept and losses at retaking Earth and the Citadel. After our United Fleet failed to retake Earth or the Citadel w/o the use of the Crucible. After the entire galaxy agreed to build and use the cruicible and Shepard's "solution" changes that...

Yea,Awesome ending that makes so much sense.

the only reason they were kicking our a** in the story was because there were many battles happening with everyone spread out, whereas at the end there is one huge combined fleet concentrated in one spot, and add that to the fact that once the catalyst is active then the citadel basically becomes the reaper command and control centre, i dont see why a high ems fleet victory shouldn't at least be an option, though it would likely be phyrric at best. 

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So what did you want?  Conventional victory?  That would be a dumb ending.

So we're all just supposed to play along with what you think, despite how differently we play, right?

We spent ME 3 gathering resources and people to build the crucible.  The entire point of priority earth was to get the crucible deployed and used.  The reapers were built up as a foe that was impossible to beat and for good reason.  They have not been defeated ever and this has been going on for millions of years.  It is established very early on in ME 3 that the crucible is the only way to defeat the reapers.  Even Shepard should have limitations to what he can and can't do.  You want a fairly tale ending.

You can continue building that strawman as long as you'd like. It doesn't make you any more correct.

Furthermore, justifying a poorly thought-out and even more so poorly executed ending by pointing to a MacGuffin--a poor literary device itself--is hilarious.

So now you want a rewrite of the entire game?  Not going to happen. The crucible is here to stay and conventional victory isn't going to happen

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So now you want a rewrite of the entire game?  Not going to happen. The crucible is here to stay and conventional victory isn't going to happen

You're just full of logical fallacies tonight, aren't you?

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So now you want a rewrite of the entire game?  Not going to happen. The crucible is here to stay and conventional victory isn't going to happen

You're just full of logical fallacies tonight, aren't you?

Typical you can't win so you start resorting to insults.  I am just grounded in reality. 

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Typical you can't win so you start resorting to insults.  I am just grounded in reality. 

Are you familiar with what a logical fallacy is?