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[RethenX]

Taboo-XX wrote...

awwnuts07 wrote...


Whatever, dood. Everyone on these forums knows you don't care about synthetics. Just accept that you and your fellow destroyers are total biggots and are totally in love with genocide...like Hitler. I wouldn't be surprised if you hate jews and black people too.

Suddenly...Godwin.

hey man im going down to rite aid later on to get some snacks. Want me to pick up your meds while im there?

[Moirai]

I admit to not reading every single post in this fascinating thread, but thought I'd chuck in a few comments here based on what I have read.

It seems to me that some people see 'Reject' as some kind of non-choice, and one that comes with no responsibility attached. That's a nice idea. But, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

Rejection of the Catalyst's options is still a direct conscious decision and, like all decisions, one that is still burdened with responsibility. You can't wriggle out of that, no matter how much you would like to do so.

Any situation in which you are faced with choices lends itself to a decision making process. And any decision made comes with its own payload of responsibility. That is the cold hard reality of it.

You can't even argue that 'Reject' has an unknown outcome. Not when it is stated multiple times during the game that 'we' cannot beat the Reapers by conventional means. Not when pretty much all concerned view any failure to find the Catalyst and to activate the Crucible as spelling eventual defeat. Not when it is said on a number of occasions that it is 'our' only option with everything riding on it.

The message cannot really be made any clearer.

Rejection is nothing more than a decision to go down fighting, and go down 'we' will. And it doesn't absolve one of any responsibility for making that decision.

And whereas there may be some measure of 'honour' attached to it, I have to agree with Javik (as much as I dislike him as a character in general) when he said to Shepard about asking the trillions of dead about the value of honour.

Their silence is your answer.

Modifié par Moirai, 02 juillet 2012 - 06:07 .

[commanderkai]

I'll be the first to admit, I did commit genocide when I chose the "Destroy" option...against the Reapers. By all accounts, I purposely destroyed the Reapers, and my Shepard (aka me) has absolutely no regrets about destroying the Reapers utterly. No matter the cost, the Reapers needed to be destroyed to guarantee the safety for Humans, Asari, Turian, Krogan, Quarian, Salarian, Hanar, Batarian, Elcor, Volus, Vorcha, and even the Geth. Without the destruction of the Reapers, every man, woman, child, AI...and however Hanar designate gender were under the threat of extermination by the Reapers.

The sacrifice that was necessary to destroy the Reapers was high. However, my Shepard knew from the beginning that the cost was going to be high, and might cost him what he held dear. In the Suicide Mission, that meant the chance of sacrificing every single member of his crew, including his lover (which was Tali) to stop the Collectors. Of course, my Shepard was lucky to pull off the impossible to keep them all alive.

However, in Mass Effect 3, no matter what choice you had, at best you were going to have a Pyrric Victory. At worst, every space-faring sentient being will die horribly, and the cycle continues. At the start of the game, you watch Earth burning, and millions dying horribly. By the time you're at the point to make the choice that the Catalyst provides, you've witnessed the fall of the homeworlds of the Turians, the Asari, and humans first hand. You hear that the Elcor, Batarian, Volus, and quite possibly the Hanar homeworlds fell to the Reapers as well.

A sacrifice was going to occur, but Shepard had no idea what that might be. It could have been his life, or the Sol system, or the whole entire fleet. In the end, the sacrifice was all synthetic existence outside of the Reapers, including EDI and the Geth. They were collateral damage, much like any other potential sacrifice might have been, but their sacrifice pales in comparison to the cost of doing nothing.

[AxStapleton]

Hell, this thread doubled while I was gone.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[AxStapleton]

awwnuts07 wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Just to dispel the common notion that ALL destroyers hate or don't care about the Geth or EDI, My Shep did. Very much so. He brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians. He encouraged Joker to try a relationship with EDI. He was a true Paragon. He was just incredibly weary of the two other options. My Shep was just talking to the Illusive Man about how high the risks of Control were, "Are you willing to bet Humanity's existence on it?" We've seen what one entity in control of that level of power has done. My Shepard, for all the universe's imperfections, loved diversity. Forcing that level of change, taking away that diversity (even if it was only on the level of Organics and Synthetics) was abhorrent to him, images of the Reapers and the Husks of all the species come to mind. In his mind, it was the Catalyst's solution. The Reaper's solution. This left him with Destroy. He could erase the Reapers from existence, the Catalyst would be no more. Life would be free. Diversity eventually preserved. But at a terrible cost. The Geth and EDI. But he had to take that decision. He would have taken it if it cost any one of the other races instead of the Synthetics, including Humanity. He considered them just as alive. But it didn't make him feel  any better. However, he didn't buy the crap that it was inevitable for  Synthetics to wipe out all other life. His past experiences taught him  this. Synthetics could be rebuilt. But he knew there would be no  bringing EDI or the Geth back. He hopes that they'll be remembered. That when the time comes for new Synthetic intelligences to be built, that  the lessons learned in this war would not be forgotten. That the same  mistakes wouldn't be repeated. There might not be much left. But there is hope.

Not all destroyers are heartless murderers.
 
P.S.Nor am I saying that people who chose anything else are any worse than me. They're all valid options with a high risk/cost. This is purely my reasoning behind me choosing the Destroy option. Its just a case of what cost you are willing to take to do what you percieve must be done.

Whatever, dood. Everyone on these forums knows you don't care about synthetics. Just accept that you and your fellow destroyers are total biggots and are totally in love with genocide...like Hitler. I wouldn't be surprised if you destroyers hate jews and black people too.

Excuse me? What part of this is at all a racist agenda? For your information I'm mixed race so I'm quite comfortable with anyone.

You're just a troll. Get back under your bridge.

[vixvicco]

4stringwizard wrote...

"Genocide" has now become the most abused word on these forums.

True dat.

[Podge 90]

You know, I keep watching the Destroy ending, and it's a funny thing.  A funny thing, but I always miss the part where it shows the Geth being wiped out.  I must blink, or glance away at the exact moment every-single-time.  It's very annoying, because I can't wait to watch it and get involved in what everybody is talking about.

It's a funny thing too, because the Catalyst said because Shepard was partly synthetic, he too would be wiped out.  But, funny thing, at the end of Destroy we see Shepard taking a nice deep breath.

So far as I see it, people are speculating that the Geth are wiped out.  And we all know how much we all love speculations.

If I don't see it, it didn't happen.  I've had enough of speculating with this game.

Modifié par Podge 90, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[Dendio1]

Star kid said our kids would build more synthetics. Hackett says we can rebuild everything. The geth and edi could probably be rebuilt or at the very least emulated....though I don't see it happening. For a time people will just leave well enough alone

Modifié par Dendio1, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:22 .

[Kaica]

Kaica wrote... snip

Which brings us back to the fact that there are no right or wrong answers on this one, only opinions. We can respect each others' opinions and have a good conversation, or we can't, and it all ends in "I'm right, you're wrong"-debate. I think you have brought up excellent reason to choose reject: it's the only fair-for-all option of them all. I'm a perfectionist, and your reason tickles me in a good way. I also see the flaw in your choice (everyone dies and no one is left to enjoy the result). Most of all I want to destroy the reapers, so I stay in my choice and Destroy.

No matter how much one believes his/her choice to be the right one, the best one, to some other it is not. It is something we can either argue to the end of the world or accept and let ourselves broaden our horizons. Okay, now I'm beginning to sound like a preacher, so I'll stop

snip

You people have really been hard-working here, more than 10 pages more since I last night was here  But as long as everyone debates only with emotional arguments, you're not getting anywhere. You're going in circles and the debate has little value.

Have you never studied philosophy or ethics or morals? At school, I never studied religion. Instead, I studied something that handles every major and also some minor religions objectionally, along with moral and ethics. Man, I hope that would be studied by everyone. Not religion, which teaches everyone that "ONE (our) VIEW IS THE TRUTH, THE BEST, BECAUSE IT WAS SAID SO MANY THOUSAND YEARS AGO AND EVERYONE IS WRONG BECAUSE WE SAY SO"... Schools should teach kids objective thinking and that not every question has a correct answer. We would have much more rational debates here, too.

Instead, it has to be learned in more difficult way. Seriously, why is it so hard for you people to accept that something that is natural and true for you, maybe is not for someone else (because of background that includes everything)? You sank so much when it became a debate of definitions. Everyone has Internet, so words can be checked.

The one asari said "You can't even handle your own religions" and here you are arguing about words' definitions. It's going to take a loooong time before humanity actually discovers Mass Relays 

[AxStapleton]

Kaica wrote...

Kaica wrote... snip

Which brings us back to the fact that there are no right or wrong answers on this one, only opinions. We can respect each others' opinions and have a good conversation, or we can't, and it all ends in "I'm right, you're wrong"-debate. I think you have brought up excellent reason to choose reject: it's the only fair-for-all option of them all. I'm a perfectionist, and your reason tickles me in a good way. I also see the flaw in your choice (everyone dies and no one is left to enjoy the result). Most of all I want to destroy the reapers, so I stay in my choice and Destroy.

No matter how much one believes his/her choice to be the right one, the best one, to some other it is not. It is something we can either argue to the end of the world or accept and let ourselves broaden our horizons. Okay, now I'm beginning to sound like a preacher, so I'll stop

snip

You people have really been hard-working here, more than 10 pages more since I last night was here  But as long as everyone debates only with emotional arguments, you're not getting anywhere. You're going in circles and the debate has little value.

Have you never studied philosophy or ethics or morals? At school, I never studied religion. Instead, I studied something that handles every major and also some minor religions objectionally, along with moral and ethics. Man, I hope that would be studied by everyone. Not religion, which teaches everyone that "ONE (our) VIEW IS THE TRUTH, THE BEST, BECAUSE IT WAS SAID SO MANY THOUSAND YEARS AGO AND EVERYONE IS WRONG BECAUSE WE SAY SO"... Schools should teach kids objective thinking and that not every question has a correct answer. We would have much more rational debates here, too.

Instead, it has to be learned in more difficult way. Seriously, why is it so hard for you people to accept that something that is natural and true for you, maybe is not for someone else (because of background that includes everything)? You sank so much when it became a debate of definitions. Everyone has Internet, so words can be checked.

The one asari said "You can't even handle your own religions" and here you are arguing about words' definitions. It's going to take a loooong time before humanity actually discovers Mass Relays 

I  agree with this. All the choices look right and wrong from so many perspectives and there is no golden correct decision.  This thread did dissolve into a debate about the definitions of words which is inconsequential and it was never my desire for it to become such.

You also raise an interesting point about opinions. There are only three facts about opinions. Everybody has one. Everybody thinks theirs is right. Everybody thinks everyone elses is trash.

[Moirai]

Whether you want to refer to it as genocide or collateral damage, for me personally Destroy was the only sane choice.

It was my first choice on my first play-though (and I was under no illusions then that Shepard would survive any of the choices), and it was exactly what I had been working towards all through the game. Destroy them before they destroy us.

My original reasoning though was that in both Synthesis and Control the Reapers still exist (the Catalyst as well under Synthesis) and neither of those scenarios guaranteed the preclusion of any future created individuals from possibly turning on their creators. There are just too many variables involved over potentially large time spans. And whereas, with education, it might be possible to avoid that conflict, the fact that 'cleaning house' could possibly be perceived as a viable option again, it was still just too much of a risk to consider.

For me, the Reaper threat had to end here and now, forever, while the opportunity was still within our grasp. Even if that did mean the sacrifice of an entire race.

Everyone who went into that battle knew the score and all were prepared to die to destroy the Reapers and achieve victory. For Shepard to get 'bought off' (in my view) at the last moment when that potential victory was within his/her grasp just seemed like a real cop out to me.

To be honest, prior to ME3 being released, I was fully expecting a situation somewhere in the game where Shepard might have to choose one species over another. Maybe choosing to save one species home world over another's. You know, one of those huge and terrible decisions that ME could possibly throw at you as the stakes went through the roof in terms of desperation.

That didn't happen, but I was expecting it. We came close, of course, with the Quarians and the Geth. Although you could have chosen to wipe out the Geth at that point, which would have made Destroy more of a no-brainer choice, I guess. But, still, that was resolved and peace was made between them. Which, of course, made choosing Destroy at the end all the more painful.

But that has always been at the core of ME for me; the possibility of having to make those really tough painful decisions.

As it was, choosing Destroy made the story all the more memorable for me. I achieved a total victory over the Reapers and removed their threat forever. But at an awful cost. And, hard as it may be, sometimes in stories, you need to lose someone you really care about, even by your own actions, to give them that memorable emotional power. And the other options just didn't do that, in my view.

Because of that, from a personal perspective, I found that the endings for Control and Synthesis just came over as emotionless and flat and forgettable, irrespective of the sense of instant 'everyone still alive' gratification they may (or may not) have provided.

But that's just my personal opinion. You should always choose what you feel suits 'your' story and your Shepard best.

Modifié par Moirai, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[Kaica]

AxStapleton wrote...

You also raise an interesting point about opinions. There are only three facts about opinions. Everybody has one. Everybody thinks theirs is right. Everybody thinks everyone elses is trash.

One of my favorite sayings  I have heard it in this form (actually from my fiance ):

Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has one, and everyone thinks that their own smells best.

I accepted it years ago that even though my butthole may smell best in my nose, there are good other buttholes, too And if I give them a chance, I might actually learn something. And I love learning. (Now if someone thinks I'm actually talking about buttholes, please read the beginning of this message again )

The thing that worries me here is that so many are willing to shove their own views down other people's throats, no matter how they resist. Come on guys, give each other some room O.o That kind of behaviour reminds me of some sadly famous people from our history (I think you are smart enough to realize who I mean). Forcing is never the smart way of getting your point heard. No one wants to listen to you shout, but if you wisper, people lean towards you to hear what you've got to say.

And someone brought up that because I chose destroy, I'm just like Hitler and hate black people and jews. Well isn't that the best argument ever, it truly feel like you've known me for all my life  Sorry, but I avoid wasting my time answering to obvious, though bad quality, trolls 

[Mavqt]

Moirai wrote...

My original reasoning though was that in both Synthesis and Control the Reapers still exist (the Catalyst as well under Synthesis) and neither of those scenarios guaranteed the preclusion of any future created individuals from possibly turning on their creators. There are just too many variables involved over potentially large time spans. And whereas, with education, it might be possible to avoid that conflict, the fact that 'cleaning house' could possibly be perceived as a viable option again, it was still just too much of a risk to consider.

I was under the impression that the Catalyst still exsists in the Control ending. Just part of you became a part of it.
And since it was designed to bring peace between organics and synthetics, but in turn it failed. What's to say that even with part of me, it's not going to happen again. Just this time with a huge army of Reapers to begin with. Atleast that was my mindset before and after the EC's Control description.

Modifié par mavqt, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:42 .

[o Ventus]

I care very much about EDI and the geth.

I just don't trust Synthesis. I know it's supposed to be the quintessential rainbow and bunnies happy ending, but it just seems so... horrifying and racist when you sit back and really look at it.

I also don't trust the Shepardlyst that comes out of Control (Regardless of morality). Hello there Big Brother.

The way I see it, destroying the Reapers is the only way to secure a safe future. EDI and the geth knew the odds and possibilities before joining the battle. EDI herself even said she would rather die than allow the Reapers to win.

Also, this is just my opinion, it's the best ending to create post-ending fanfics with, since Shepard is still alive. My Shepard entered the war knowing it would change him by the end. He was right. He will face the consequences of his decision when he returns to Earth.

[IscrewTali]

Javik is the kind of guy that understands morality and honor have no place in war. He has seen all possible monstrosities committed to his people, and by his people. I would much rather take his mentality when it comes to using the Crucible. To doom your loved ones, your race and the rest of the galaxy to a slow and painful death with countless horrific acts committed to them along the way, OR act without hesitation, casting honor and morals aside, sacrificing the lives of the few to save the many. It takes courage and a strong will to be able to do it. There are soldiers and doctors constantly being forced to make the hard decisions, to save as many lives as they can. If earth was under attack by mysterious aliens wanting to enslave/eat ALL of us, and i had to push a button to blow up the planet so that countless other planets wouldnt suffer the same fate, i'd do it. If Legion was faced with the same question, i believe he would do the same.

This is merely my own opinion, everyone sees everything differently, after all we dont share consensus.

[agu123]

alienatedflea wrote...

agu123 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

agu123 wrote...

You just said that organics are forced to become as heartless as the Reapers. Which is impossible in my opinion. Hence the sarcasm.

Do you understand now?

youre joking right? >.< read Taboo's comment...to destroy the enemy, I have to become the enemy...or something like that...

as shepard said in Mass Effect one when he tries to get the body of a windowers killed at Eden Prime...he said something to the effect that we can't lose our humanity in the process...destroy and synthesis (in a way...since I am pro-synthesis) we lose our humanity...the cost is too greater

Oh, I suppose I missed the part where Taboo-XX stated that his Shepard's will is equal to the will of every organic being in the Galaxy. Please direct me to that statement.

Because you said that by choosing destroy "we force all organics to become as heartless as the Reapers".

all organics are being represented by shepard...by default, he doesnt actually force anything because there isnt force when all parties involved are consenting...but by destroying the reapers...you destroy all synthetics...its just like the reapers to commit needless loss of life...

Being represented by Shepard does not mean thinking like Shepard.

Shepard is their leader.

And you still need to explain how the destruction of the Geth (assuming the Geth are alive in everyone's PT) makes all organics in the Milky Way as heartless as something that has been harvesting both Organic and Synthetic life for millions of years.

[JesseLee202]

Bioware worked really hard to make the Geth look like a bunch of innocent, helpless, victims in all of this.

I didn't care that they were gone in destroy. I wasn't cheering, but I wasn't upset.

[Moirai]

mavqt wrote...

Moirai wrote...

My original reasoning though was that in both Synthesis and Control the Reapers still exist (the Catalyst as well under Synthesis) and neither of those scenarios guaranteed the preclusion of any future created individuals from possibly turning on their creators. There are just too many variables involved over potentially large time spans. And whereas, with education, it might be possible to avoid that conflict, the fact that 'cleaning house' could possibly be perceived as a viable option again, it was still just too much of a risk to consider.

I was under the impression that the Catalyst still exsists in the Control ending. Just part of you became a part of it.
And since it was designed to bring peace between organics and synthetics, but in turn it failed. What's to say that even with part of me, it's not going to happen again. Just this time with a huge army of Reapers to begin with. Atleast that was my mindset before and after the EC's Control description.

True. Although, I actually meant original Kid Catalyst being still around, as opposed to his successor, Shepard, who used the catalytic converter thingamybob.

But, yes, the fact that the Reapers are still in place in both scenarios does not give me warm fuzzy feelings of security with those options.

As an aside, under the Control option, just how does everyone know what is going on with the Reapers? How do they find out that Shepard is now controlling them? Do the Reapers fly around the galaxy with loud speakers attached to them proclaiming that everything is now fine, Shepard's in charge and to just move along please?

I mean, would you trust them? Would you? Or would you all be continually worried that something horrible could happen again at any moment?

What if the fleets try to take advantage of the leaving Reapers and start shooting at them? Will the Reapers ignore them and risk being destroyed or even accept losses, or will they ask Shepard for permission to defend themselves?

Just how does this Control ending actually work to put everyone's mind at ease about accepting the very enemy that was slaughtering them in their millions a short while ago as now being their beneficent galactic pals...?

It all sounds a lot more troublesome than it's portrayed really.

[OmegaXI]

Destroy is a hard choice, even more so if you really liked Legion and made peace. Losing EDI for me was heart breaking, Legion was my Robo-Bro and to do that was a hard choice to make. But that was what needed to be done, but in the end it was the right choice to make, the nightmare of the Reapers had haunt the galaxy for Millions of years(maybe more heard someone say a billion but im not sure so I'll go with Million just to be safe). And with destory you could final stop the Reaper once and for all.

People seem to miss the point that with Refuse you are still responsible for the deaths of ever advance race in the current universe. You hands are more bloody by choosing Refuse, and in my opinion its almost as selfish as the Renegade Control ending, sacrificing everyone and everything, who have already given up so much just so you can say that your hands are not dirty. But the truth is their even more bloody than destroy.

Control? No, no one should have that much power and the Reapers are still there. Simple as that.

Snythesis- well this actual gave me a moment of pause, I could save everyone but at the cost of what made everyone different and unique. But the Reapers would still survive and the Catalyst said they tried a simular situation before and it had failed. With the Reapers still alive whats to say that one day the Catalyst wouldn't decide that this time it failed as well.






Thats my opinion you may not a agree with it but there it is.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .

[B.Shep]

I am pretty sure a lot of people wouldn't want the reapers "help" after everything they had done to Earth, Thessia, Palaven etc...

The only good reaper is a dead reaper.

[DiegoProgMetal]

I have a number of reasons to think the "Destroy" is the lesser of all evils, but I wont write it here because I'm tired and too lazy right now. Will just quote myself (with some additions), something I wrote on another thread about EDI and the Geth:

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Well, Shepard, an organic living being, clinically dead after an atmospheric re-entry (?!?), was brought back to life exactly the way he was, with all his memories and his personality untouched. EDI and the Geth, pure hardware and software, something we (organics) built ourselves, cant be... go figure...

[macrocarl]

EDI learned about being human and then gave everything she could to help win the war for the future. Legion did the same. Because of both Shep was able to get to the Crucible and make a super tough decision........... And that's why when my cannon Chep picked Destroy it was with a heavy heart! Oh well they'll live in my next play through though

[awwnuts07]

AxStapleton wrote...

Excuse me? What part of this is at all a racist agenda? For your information I'm mixed race so I'm quite comfortable with anyone.

You're just a troll. Get back under your bridge.

Sure dood. I seriously doubt you're comfortable with everyone. In any case, you still committed an atrocity, you organic supremecist. You can rationalize it any way you want, but you're still responsible the deaths of a unique sentient species. Good job mass murderer. 

[Mavqt]

Moirai wrote...

mavqt wrote...

Moirai wrote...

My original reasoning though was that in both Synthesis and Control the Reapers still exist (the Catalyst as well under Synthesis) and neither of those scenarios guaranteed the preclusion of any future created individuals from possibly turning on their creators. There are just too many variables involved over potentially large time spans. And whereas, with education, it might be possible to avoid that conflict, the fact that 'cleaning house' could possibly be perceived as a viable option again, it was still just too much of a risk to consider.

I was under the impression that the Catalyst still exsists in the Control ending. Just part of you became a part of it.
And since it was designed to bring peace between organics and synthetics, but in turn it failed. What's to say that even with part of me, it's not going to happen again. Just this time with a huge army of Reapers to begin with. Atleast that was my mindset before and after the EC's Control description.

1) True. Although, I actually meant original Kid Catalyst being still around, as opposed to his successor, Shepard, who used the catalytic converter thingamybob.

2) But, yes, the fact that the Reapers are still in place in both scenarios does not give me warm fuzzy feelings of security with those options.

3) As an aside, under the Control option, just how does everyone know what is going on with the Reapers? How do they find out that Shepard is now controlling them? Do the Reapers fly around the galaxy with loud speakers attached to them proclaiming that everything is now fine, Shepard's in charge and to just move along please?

 4) I mean, would you trust them? Would you? Or would you all be continually worried that something horrible could happen again at any moment?

5) What if the fleets try to take advantage of the leaving Reapers and start shooting at them? Will the Reapers ignore them and risk being destroyed or even accept losses, or will they ask Shepard for permission to defend themselves?

6) Just how does this Control ending actually work to put everyone's mind at ease about accepting the very enemy that was slaughtering them in their millions a short while ago as now being their beneficent galactic pals...?

It all sounds a lot more troublesome than it's portrayed really.

1. I wouldn't say Shepard is a successor to the Catalyst, since all he/she does is add him/herself to the Catalyst. I think of it as a "Shepard Upgrade" or "Shepard Addon" to the Catalyst

2. Agreed

3. Also agreed

4. God knows I wouldn't. 

5. Since the Catalyst controls the Reapers. Only the Catalyst knows that answer.

6. Number 3 would have to answered first to answer this.

(Numbered them in you quote just to make it easier for you to know which i was talking about)

PS. *CONTAINS MAYBE SPOILERS OF UPCOMING DLC*
Just thought of something for 5. If the Catalyst controls the Reapers, (If the Levi DLC leaks are true) how did Levi Rebel/Betray against the Reapers?

[Risselda]

The reapers could not be allowed to exist. When that creepy child told me how he forced the original creaters to become reapers...that left a sour taste for a future with reapers in my mouth. And with the discussions of the leviathan...a rogue reaper...imagine the ****storm control/ synthesis would go through...it'd be ME3 all over again minus a catalyst.

Also, as another note. It was very clear that society learned and was able to rebuild reaper tech at the end. (relays/ citadel) So it's very headcannon-able to have the geth back.