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[Funkdrspot]

Only idiots actually believe this. Most just say it because they're still mad they can't win conventionally with a Disney ending.

You're no more of a mass murderer than say, the US general in WW 2 that led the initial push on Europe's shores. Thousands died due to a direct order from a General, but you don't view that content without the context in which it happened.

Content is nothing without context. People that hate the franchise now try to remove the context to bolster their claims but you can't look at the situation like that, logically.

Modifié par Funkdrspot, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .

[The Angry One]

Rasofe wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

I agree with Angry One, the StarBrat himself states he already tried to use Synthesis sometimes before.

Considering the pros and cons i believe Destroy is the best choice: no more Reaper threat ever. Organics are free to create their own future with their choices.
Control is a big gamble, you let the galaxy in the hands of the new catalyst(Shep-IA) and hope it will not reach the same conclusion the Starchild.

Pardon the intrustion but it sounds more like you're disagreeing than agreeing.

We're agreeing on synthesis, I'd think.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Vexille wrote...

ok lets put this in perspective... if you broadcasted the choice to everyone else fighting the Reapers what do you think their response would be?

"Ok guys I can end the reaper threat forever and get us complete victory, but we lose the Geth... or we can take our chances."

This is of course will our fleet is barely holding on against the reapers...

I'm guessing Hackett and everyother commander out their would be shouting "SHOOT THE TUBE YOU IDIOT!"

The Galaxy was completely united, I'm pretty sure when the topic of destroying an entire species to live, most would disagree and make a last stand.

Um no. Even if it were the Asari or the Turians or the Quarians, the rest of the galaxy - and that race itself - would absolutely agree that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and to do what needed to be done. 

Refusal is the absolute epitome of selfishness. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Vexille wrote...

ok lets put this in perspective... if you broadcasted the choice to everyone else fighting the Reapers what do you think their response would be?

"Ok guys I can end the reaper threat forever and get us complete victory, but we lose the Geth... or we can take our chances."

This is of course will our fleet is barely holding on against the reapers...

I'm guessing Hackett and everyother commander out their would be shouting "SHOOT THE TUBE YOU IDIOT!"

The Galaxy was completely united, I'm pretty sure when the topic of destroying an entire species to live, most would disagree and make a last stand.

BULL ****.

and calling the geth a "Species" is a gigantic stretch

Exactly right. Shepard is one of few people in the galaxy who care about the geth at all. I can assure you most of your soldiers don't see the geth as any different than their equipment.

By the end of ME3 all the species put away their grievances and fight together, even Hackett and Anderson says so, So yeah I think people would care, also, lets say for an example everyone thinks that Asari are evil, does that justify destroying them all?

[Lazengan]

I chose destroy because:

No one should control that much power in the galaxy

and Synthesis is an affront to everything evolution stands for

however if I was personally shepard, I would have chosen control because then I become a god

[The Angry One]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


This just in: stopping the Reapers, forever, and saving the galaxy is "doing the Reapers' bidding",

It is whether you like it or not. The Catalyst's desperation move is to reformat the galaxy according to it's agenda.

[AxStapleton]

I guess any discussion of these endings will just end up in an endless cycle.

[Kaica]

Vexille: I want to state that I think the point about Hackett was really excellent. It made me think. And I agree with you. I wasn't criticizing

[LightningSamus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

And in destroy we will live free. I personally prefer it that way.

You live under the tyranny of the Catalyst's legacy, and you sacrificed billions of Geth to do it.
Its immensely preferable to control and the outright Reaper victory of synthesis, of course, but it's still a future tainted by the Catalyst.

Maybe. But you know what we're not? Dead. We're not dead.

Not being dead > dead.

Full. Stop.

Afraid to die?

Your life will end one day and dying a hero isn't a bad thing at all.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Vexille wrote...

ok lets put this in perspective... if you broadcasted the choice to everyone else fighting the Reapers what do you think their response would be?

"Ok guys I can end the reaper threat forever and get us complete victory, but we lose the Geth... or we can take our chances."

This is of course will our fleet is barely holding on against the reapers...

I'm guessing Hackett and everyother commander out their would be shouting "SHOOT THE TUBE YOU IDIOT!"

The Galaxy was completely united, I'm pretty sure when the topic of destroying an entire species to live, most would disagree and make a last stand.

Um no. Even if it were the Asari or the Turians or the Quarians, the rest of the galaxy - and that race itself - would absolutely agree that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and to do what needed to be done. 

Refusal is the absolute epitome of selfishness. 

No, We would fight as a galaxy and not sacrifice each other. Anyway, theres no point of arguing this because its just a matter of opinion. We both have about the same ammount of evidence to support our opinions, so no one can be right.

[Vexille]

So khajiit, do you believe Admiral Hackett is a murderer for sacrificing one fleet to save 2 others?

Modifié par Vexille, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:12 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...


1-Its not ignorance, I had 8000 ems, I though we had a bit of a chance.
2-How are you to know that the Catalyst isn't lying, How are you to know that destroy won't kill people with synthetic implants, The catalyst even said the Crucible won't discrinimate.. Every desicion is a gamble.
3-Your right theres a lot of people i wish never had authority, like you, especially if i was a geth.

1. It is. You are told over and over and over that you don't have a chance. You're seeing billions of people dying every day. Your ships are barely making a dent in the Reaper forces. They control every homeworld, every major colony... if you ignore ALL of that. It is absolutely willful ignorance.

2. Even if he IS lying, your choices are: do nothing = everyone dies. He's lying = everyone dies. He's telling the truth = you can save trillions and trillions of lives. Why wouldn't you make a choice and HOPE knowing that even if he is lying, the situation can't get ANY worse? Not to mention: the Reapers are already winning. He has no reason to lie. He's not a Bond villain trying to trick you.

3. And I wouldn't want you to have authority, especially if I WAS ANYONE ELSE IN THE GALAXY. Here's the thing: if you pick refuse, the Geth die ANYWAY. How is that any better? Hmm? 

1-I'll take my chances rather than a AI created by the people trying to kill me.
2-Doing nothing and taking your chances, is better than doing something that you have no idea whether its true or what the consequences actually are
3-You died together as a united galaxy instead of doing something as killing a whole species when the whole galaxy agreed to work together. Destroy is hypocracy, genocide, betrayal, etc.

1. Congratulations, you're the biggest war criminal in the history of the galaxy. Or, rather, you would be if anyone was alive to prosecute you.

2. No. It's not. Doing nothing and knowing that there IS no chance is NOT better than doing something and hoping there IS a chance.

3. You died because Shepard is a selfish monster and wouldn't make a hard choice to sacrifice the few for the good of the many. There is no "together as a united galaxy". There is only death. Refusal is hypocracy, genocide, and betrayal.

[Tealjaker94]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Vexille wrote...

ok lets put this in perspective... if you broadcasted the choice to everyone else fighting the Reapers what do you think their response would be?

"Ok guys I can end the reaper threat forever and get us complete victory, but we lose the Geth... or we can take our chances."

This is of course will our fleet is barely holding on against the reapers...

I'm guessing Hackett and everyother commander out their would be shouting "SHOOT THE TUBE YOU IDIOT!"

The Galaxy was completely united, I'm pretty sure when the topic of destroying an entire species to live, most would disagree and make a last stand.

BULL ****.

and calling the geth a "Species" is a gigantic stretch

Exactly right. Shepard is one of few people in the galaxy who care about the geth at all. I can assure you most of your soldiers don't see the geth as any different than their equipment.

By the end of ME3 all the species put away their grievances and fight together, even Hackett and Anderson says so, So yeah I think people would care, also, lets say for an example everyone thinks that Asari are evil, does that justify destroying them all?

I mentioned nothing about justification. I simply stated that most people in the galaxy are not so friendly towards the geth and probably wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice them to save their own races. In other words your point in bold is wrong.

[AxStapleton]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Only idiots actually believe this. Most just say it because they're still mad they can't win conventionally with a Disney ending.

You're no more of a mass murderer than say, the US general in WW 2 that led the initial push on Europe's shores. Thousands died due to a direct order from a General, but you don't view that content without the context in which it happened.

Content is nothing without context. People that hate the franchise now try to remove the context to bolster their claims but you can't look at the situation like that, logically.

Quick question, is this directed at my OP or other people?

[The Angry One]

Vexille wrote...

So khajiit, do you believe Admiral Hackett is a murderer for sacrificing one fleet to save 2 others?

"Incompetent fool" would perhaps be a more accurate description.
Too bad Coronati was killed or he'd slap Hackett upside the head for his tactical stupidity.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

I think Legion would want you to pick destroy. He tells you in ME2 that the Geth want to choose their own path, and that in using the relays and Prothean/Reaper technology organics have blinded themselves to alternatives. Yes, he eventually uses Reaper code to uplift the Geth, but only out of desperation and he wouldn't wish it on everyone in the galaxy.

The Catalyst thinks that all organics think and want the same thing. It thinks that synthetics all think and want the same thing. It would impose, through synthesis, one path moving forward, blocking off all others. Control does much the same thing by creating an all powerful nanny-Cthulhu to impose its will on the galaxy.

[Direbunny]

I chose destroy since I'm head canoning the indoc theory like a boss. Also, EDI and the geth are machines. If they brake down, why shouldn't we be able to fix them again?

It hurt like hell to sacrifice the geth and EDI but if it ends the reaper threat forever, then I actually think that the geth and EDI would support it. Of course I can't say for sure, but they seem like they would. I mean, sacrifice EDI and geth is the only way the galaxy can be saved.Truly. Otherwise the reaper threat remains or the reaper's plan succeeds.

I've seen all the EC endings, and even if synthesis seems to be the 'happiest' ending, t really really creeps me out. It feels wrong.

[Lazengan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Vexille wrote...

ok lets put this in perspective... if you broadcasted the choice to everyone else fighting the Reapers what do you think their response would be?

"Ok guys I can end the reaper threat forever and get us complete victory, but we lose the Geth... or we can take our chances."

This is of course will our fleet is barely holding on against the reapers...

I'm guessing Hackett and everyother commander out their would be shouting "SHOOT THE TUBE YOU IDIOT!"

The Galaxy was completely united, I'm pretty sure when the topic of destroying an entire species to live, most would disagree and make a last stand.

Um no. Even if it were the Asari or the Turians or the Quarians, the rest of the galaxy - and that race itself - would absolutely agree that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and to do what needed to be done. 

Refusal is the absolute epitome of selfishness. 

No, We would fight as a galaxy and not sacrifice each other. Anyway, theres no point of arguing this because its just a matter of opinion. We both have about the same ammount of evidence to support our opinions, so no one can be right.

why choose refusal and doom everyone

when you can choose destroy and only sacrifice the geth and EDI?

where they given a choice, I would think they would choose to sacrifice themselves so that the rest of the galaxy can live

[Tealjaker94]

LightningSamus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

And in destroy we will live free. I personally prefer it that way.

You live under the tyranny of the Catalyst's legacy, and you sacrificed billions of Geth to do it.
Its immensely preferable to control and the outright Reaper victory of synthesis, of course, but it's still a future tainted by the Catalyst.

Maybe. But you know what we're not? Dead. We're not dead.

Not being dead > dead.

Full. Stop.

Afraid to die?

Your life will end one day and dying a hero isn't a bad thing at all.

So everyone should die with me? I personally would like to save others' lives.

[Funkdrspot]

Lazengan wrote...

I chose destroy because:

No one should control that much power in the galaxy

and Synthesis is an affront to everything evolution stands for

however if I was personally shepard, I would have chosen control because then I become a god

I find it interesting that to those that think Control is bad, religion enters the discussion in the form of Shepard being, or playing god.

The title of god seems a bit far fetched since he only controls a great army. He has no ability to create life, create new galaxies or stars, make matter or elements, etc.

And Shepard, at least my Shepard, is me. He's altruistic and principled, so he's not going to let power get to his head. Besides, once you stop becomming mortal, the concept of 'power' is no longer relevant.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

The Angry One wrote...

Vexille wrote...

So khajiit, do you believe Admiral Hackett is a murderer for sacrificing one fleet to save 2 others?

"Incompetent fool" would perhaps be a more accurate description.
Too bad Coronati was killed or he'd slap Hackett upside the head for his tactical stupidity.

Basically this.

[Funkdrspot]

AxStapleton wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Only idiots actually believe this. Most just say it because they're still mad they can't win conventionally with a Disney ending.

You're no more of a mass murderer than say, the US general in WW 2 that led the initial push on Europe's shores. Thousands died due to a direct order from a General, but you don't view that content without the context in which it happened.

Content is nothing without context. People that hate the franchise now try to remove the context to bolster their claims but you can't look at the situation like that, logically.

Quick question, is this directed at my OP or other people?

OP. Sorry.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The Angry One wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


This just in: stopping the Reapers, forever, and saving the galaxy is "doing the Reapers' bidding",

It is whether you like it or not. The Catalyst's desperation move is to reformat the galaxy according to it's agenda.

By allowing you to kill all the Reapers in existence. That's such a brilliant plan that I'm almost surprised that the ****ing Rainbow Raider didn't come up with it.

[Rasofe]

The Angry One wrote...

Vexille wrote...

So khajiit, do you believe Admiral Hackett is a murderer for sacrificing one fleet to save 2 others?

"Incompetent fool" would perhaps be a more accurate description.
Too bad Coronati was killed or he'd slap Hackett upside the head for his tactical stupidity.

Wow. That's harsh.

I can't even imagine how you guys would react to Warhammer 40k universe, where the human factions spend more time killing their own soldiers than enemies that try to kill them.

[LightningSamus]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

LightningSamus wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Control is the moral choice in picking an ending.

Eh, the Reaper threat is still present though. Sure the Shepard AI has control for now but eventually the AI could become corrupted and become as stupid as the Star Kid then there will be another reaper war.

Same can be said for destroy, you still haven't resolved the problem between organics and synthetics and it will all come rushing back in the future.

Synthetics will become stronger and try to destroy their masters, the organics are more doomed as they would destroy all organic life while the reapers allowed organic life to live on.

Speculation based solely upon what the catalyst says. The Reapers are a known threat that exist now. 

Synthetic fought against organics in the past and the reason why reapers exist, Protheans thought them and it's obvios that they have been at war before the catalyst was made.

They don't understand organics and they aren't the same and don't feel pain, and synthetic don't understand that, they upgrade and become advanced, organics will see them as a threat.

Organics are like children still learning from their mistakes, they build things in order to help them survive and they have always had wars against each other, Javik mentions wars in his cycle too. Organics would never be at peace for good, there will always be disputes over different things.
Synthetics helped a race survive as their planet wasn't habitable also Shepard was givien syntheics to survive after being killed by collecters.

There will always be synthetics, organics have different ways and means in using them but things always go wrong

Catalsyt wouldn't have been made if organics weren't looking for a solution to organic and synthetic relations, it's not it's fault for being created, it's organics.

Again, another mistake made by oganics and who says a reaper like species couldn't be made again?

Disagree all you want but it's the truth and i'm not going to argue all day about this.

History always repeats itself.