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[Sarevok Anchev]

*This is no critic against Bioware in special; im speaking generally*

No trolling, just wanted to say this:

I am always partitioning my HDD. On C: is Windows and stuff. On D: are Games etc.
So, a Virus killed my Windows and the first partition isnt working.

It is possible to overinstall Windows again on C: and to access at least the Data on D:, so you can save your files.

But my Savegames are gone! This also happened once with my Mass Effect Saves.


I know "thats life and stuff" + "Get yourself some good Protection" yadda yadda yadda.

Still: With Baldurs Gate 2  this never occured. Why? I tell you why:

D:\\\\Games\\\\Baldurs Gate 2 - SoA\\\\Save


P.S.: Too many Games have this exporting of Savegames/Characterfiles. I understand the "comfort" the developers want to make for the gamers. But i CAN survive the terrible pain of clicking 1 more time, before i can access the Save-folder via Mouse-click  

Modifié par Sarevok Anchev, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:44 .

[Bibdy]

Not sure why game companies have started doing this, but it is starting to become a pain in the ass.

[Filton_Kingswood]

I feel your pain. That's also an awesome portrait.

[Eurypterid]

It's a requirement of the Games For Windows certification. Not sure why some non-GFW games do it as well though. I personally moved My Documents folder to a different partition/drive than the default and luckily haven't had any issues with losing games that way.

[Serenity84]

It's a Microsoft thing. You can't blame the developers for that. Total idioticy and bad software architecture, but that's MS for you.

You can however move the My Documents folder to another drive, which should be the first thing anyone does after installing Windows. Right-click on the folder and go to the "location" tab.

Modifié par Serenity84, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:33 .

[Bibdy]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's a requirement of the Games For Windows certification. Not sure why some non-GFW games do it as well though. I personally moved My Documents folder to a different partition/drive than the default and luckily haven't had any issues with losing games that way.

MicroSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFT!!!!

I wasn't even aware you could move the My Documents folder. I'll have to look into that.

[SheffSteel]

It makes a lot of sense to have your documents all in the same place, both for reasons of security and performance. Frequently written files typically should be stored in a different location to read-only files, as a decent disk defragmenter will demonstrate.

Windows gives you the option to specify where these files go. Sorry you lost them but, in future, My Documents is one thing you need to back up.

[Sarevok Anchev]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's a requirement of the Games For Windows certification. Not sure why some non-GFW games do it as well though. I personally moved My Documents folder to a different partition/drive than the default and luckily haven't had any issues with losing games that way.

You mean the Games for Windows cert. noone - even XBOXsoft... ehm Microsoft- doesnt give a damn about?

Ok, good to know i can move it, but doesnt this cut the connection for the folder or anything?


So, lets say i want to take it from C:\\\\My Documents
to D:\\\\rolld20againstmicrosoftminion\\My Documents    ?

And it will always be updated with the new saves?

Modifié par Sarevok Anchev, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:44 .

[rpgplayer1]

Right click on My Documents icon on desktop, go to properties, and you'll see option to change its location.

[Aratham Darksight]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

You mean the Games for Windows cert. noone - even XBOXsoft... ehm Microsoft- doesnt give a damn about? 

Ok, good to know i can move it, but doesnt this cut the connection for the folder or anything?


So, lets say i want to take it from C:\\\\\\\\My Documents
to D:\\\\\\\\rolld20againstmicrosoftminion\\\\My Documents    ?

And it will always be updated with the new saves?

The connection won't break if you move it by right-clicking and altering the path on the "location" tab. All your files will be automatically transferred to the new location.

Any user data to be written to your Documents folder is automatically directed to where it currently is.

[bjdbwea]

It makes complete sense to have a user-specific folder and to put save games there. By the way, there are ways to still access the data on your partition, even if Windows isn't booting from it.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:53 .

[MerinTB]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's a requirement of the Games For Windows certification. Not sure why some non-GFW games do it as well though. I personally moved My Documents folder to a different partition/drive than the default and luckily haven't had any issues with losing games that way.

Wow, I'm surprised I didn't know I could move that.

Heh.

Well, that solves a major problem I was having then.

Heh.

I'm with the OP, though, this is an absolutely stupid thing for Microsoft and games to do.  I have several hard drives, each for a different thing, so if Windows crashes (and we all know Windows does crash) I only lose my OS install.

Good to learn about the My Documents move, gotta find where to do that now.

EDIT: Nice, that just freed up almost 10 Gigs from my C drive.

Modifié par MerinTB, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[pathenry]

SheffSteel wrote...
It makes a lot of sense to have your documents all in the same place, both for reasons of security and performance.

Windows gives you the option to specify where these files go. Sorry you lost them but, in future, My Documents is one thing you need to back up.

Amen to that. Saving in one place is a good thing and I wish more programmers would adhere to this standard.

I remember the bad old days of programs saving their data files in all different directories, and then saving their config files in other locations all over the place, instead of a central registry.

If anyone likes the bad old days of programs saving their files in a hundred different places, just use Linux.

[MerinTB]

pathenry wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
It makes a lot of sense to have your documents all in the same place, both for reasons of security and performance.

Windows gives you the option to specify where these files go. Sorry you lost them but, in future, My Documents is one thing you need to back up.

Amen to that. Saving in one place is a good thing and I wish more programmers would adhere to this standard.

I remember the bad old days of programs saving their data files in all different directories, and then saving their config files in other locations all over the place, instead of a central registry.

If anyone likes the bad old days of programs saving their files in a hundred different places, just use Linux.

Silly me for liking my save game files to be in the same drive and directory as my games are installed to - what was I thinking.

[Koralis]

MerinTB wrote...
I'm with the OP, though, this is an absolutely stupid thing for Microsoft and games to do.  I have several hard drives, each for a different thing, so if Windows crashes (and we all know Windows does crash) I only lose my OS install.

it's a stupid thing for YOU.  Microsoft is looking at the big picture though.  For example, if you were in a family of 4 and each of those people wanted to use a given program, then MS's implimentation works perfectly.  Each user login gets its own Documents folder, and each persons saves are seperated, each person's GUI configuration can be different, etc, etc.

It's actually a relatively elegant solution to a potentially annoying problem.  "My brother played Dragon Age yesterday and completely messed up all of my ini settings!"

[Edelwolf]

I agree it's annoying, but I just learned to live with it. Almost all modern games have this.

Keep a bigger partition.

[Creature 1]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

*This is no critic against Bioware in special; im speaking generally*

No trolling, just wanted to say this:

I am always partitioning my HDD. On C: is Windows and stuff. On D: are Games etc.
So, a Virus killed my Windows and the first partition isnt working.

It is possible to overinstall Windows again on C: and to access at least the Data on D:, so you can save your files.

But my Savegames are gone! This also happened once with my Mass Effect Saves.


I know "thats life and stuff" + "Get yourself some good Protection" yadda yadda yadda.

Still: With Baldurs Gate 2  this never occured. Why? I tell you why:

D:\\\\\\\\Games\\\\\\\\Baldurs Gate 2 - SoA\\\\\\\\Save


P.S.: Too many Games have this exporting of Savegames/Characterfiles. I understand the "comfort" the developers want to make for the gamers. But i CAN survive the terrible pain of clicking 1 more time, before i can access the Save-folder via Mouse-click  

A partition won't save you if your hard drive has total hardware failure.  Backups are a must.  Backup from C to D, and on DVD, and on flash drive. . . 

[MerinTB]

Koralis wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
I'm with the OP, though, this is an absolutely stupid thing for Microsoft and games to do.  I have several hard drives, each for a different thing, so if Windows crashes (and we all know Windows does crash) I only lose my OS install.

it's a stupid thing for YOU.  Microsoft is looking at the big picture though.  For example, if you were in a family of 4 and each of those people wanted to use a given program, then MS's implimentation works perfectly.  Each user login gets its own Documents folder, and each persons saves are seperated, each person's GUI configuration can be different, etc, etc.

It's actually a relatively elegant solution to a potentially annoying problem.  "My brother played Dragon Age yesterday and completely messed up all of my ini settings!"

Microsoft.  Is looking.  At the big picture.
Really?

Alright then, nm my inconvenience, you're right, I'm the stupid one.

I mean, why would you ever assume that when a program is being installed and asks you which drive and directory you want it installed to that you'd expect the program to actually install to that drive and directory.  I know, crazy.

I get the move by MS to make each User separate, that is a good thing -
but this move to using My Documents is, indeed, stupid.

I don't know of anyone computer savvy who saves anything in My Documents on purpose, or My Music, or My Videos.

MS has just put another layer of me having to manually adjust and move things on my own.

Great for low-level users, not so great for those of us who know what we are doing.
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That said, adjusting the My Documents location is an easy fix - but why not just make it a My Saved Games folder?  I dunno, I don't really see a big positive upside to this.

The 4 people on 1 computer example?  Pretty weak.  My family is nowhere near middle-class, let alone wealthy, and there are 3 PCs that get used and 2 PCs that could be fired up if need be.

The days of 1 PC per household are about as old as the one tv per household.

[smore006]

Under Windows Vista or 7 there is also the option to create a junction point (practically a directory hardlink), using the mklink command. That way you can keep your Documents folder physically on drive C and DAO-related stuff pretty much anywhere you like - it would still act like if it was in its original location.

[aries1001]

It is a requirement from Microsoft to have game saves be stored in the /user/My Documents folder. Logically, this makes sense - at least to me. Allow people to have multiple accounts on one computer, it does. This means that a family can have 2-4 profiles/accounts on one computer; saves from each of their games only show in that indiviual user's, say the father's or the daugther's account. It is done for better security.

[SheffSteel]

Backing up or upgrading your hard drive? Copy the "Documents and Settings" folder. Any/everything else can be reinstalled from original disks.

Not so stupid.

[bjdbwea]

The main reason why any PC should at least have two user accounts is security, as you should know. One Administrator account, one user account for each user to work or play games with. See the initial poster's problem for demonstration as to why this matters. Normally, a standard user can't even write into the "Programs" folder, which means a game shouldn't try to put its save games there anymore. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but they've indeed learned a lot. It's not their fault if people don't follow guidelines and common sense.

[KariTR]

I move Favourites folder to D: too and also have clones of each drive on the other. Knowing my luck they will both pack in simultaneously.

[rmp]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's a requirement of the Games For Windows certification.

And just to add to that, all Windows certified software (not just games) has to keep user setting and data in the My Docs or All Users doc folders.