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[4stringwizard]

One of the most common remarks on ME3's storyline is how emotionally poignant it is.  I agree it is, but that's not necessarily a good thing.  ME1 had its dark moments.  ME2 was dark, but not depressing. ME3 was the first game of the series that actually left me feeling depressed after playing through some parts.  This culminated in the (gasp!) ending which left users feeling more sad than victorious.  

I think Bioware hurt themselves by turning ME3 into a space tragedy, instead of keeping it what it used to be - a sci-fi adenture/space opera.  By going with the more "artistic" storyline, they took the plot of ME3 in a direction that didn't suit the trilogy.  Yes, I'm aware that the Reapers are attacking and it's not going to be a pretty picture.  But Bioware went way overboard with the "FEEL SAD, DAMNIT!!!" storytelling. 

[timj2011]

I like the fact that they took a chance with it

[BigBadMammogram]

The emotions have nothing to do with it. Most people were expecting a sad ending, including myself.

But this ending makes no sense, at all. That, in my opinion, is the biggest problem.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

I liked it, but the fact that they felt that giving a emotional response is more important than main story plot or closure is wrong.

[Angelo2027]

4stringwizard wrote...

One of the most common remarks on ME3's storyline is how emotionally poignant it is.  I agree it is, but that's not necessarily a good thing.  ME1 had its dark moments.  ME2 was dark, but not depressing. ME3 was the first game of the series that actually left me feeling depressed after playing through some parts.  This culminated in the (gasp!) ending which left users feeling more sad than victorious.  

I think Bioware hurt themselves by turning ME3 into a space tragedy, instead of keeping it what it used to be - a sci-fi adenture/space opera.  By going with the more "artistic" storyline, they took the plot of ME3 in a direction that didn't suit the trilogy.  Yes, I'm aware that the Reapers are attacking and it's not going to be a pretty picture.  But Bioware went way overboard with the "FEEL SAD, DAMNIT!!!" storytelling. 

 

THIS! when i played ME 3 i felt the same ME 1 and 2 where cool sci-fi games but ME3 i dont know it doesnt feel like ME and it all began after the beam.

[goatman42]

timj2011 wrote...

I like the fact that they took a chance with it

This. I think they stumble a few times with it but there were some really powerful emotional moments. I'm glad they tried it.

[SpamBot2000]

ME 3 is a classic tragedy in the sense that it is the destruction of something noble through its own hubris. But  I digress... Emotional is what Bioware do best, and when they forget that, they fail. Look at that quote attributed to P. Weekes... (er, can't find right now, so I'll paraphrase): "Casey is really smart and analytical and expects others to be like that too..." etc. Well, one way to read that is "Casey approaches things intellectually instead of emotionally". And that's how you get a philosophical conundrum where an emotional payoff was supposed to be.

If you happen to find the exact quote folks, please post so you don't have to take my word for it.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .

[iSpider-Man]

Did Bioware focus TOO much on creating an emotional plot?
this reminds me of Modern Warfare 2 so overdramatic and hollywood-esc.

[PrimeOfValor]

Success cannot be achievied without making failures and ME3 does some positive and negatives.

[Hackulator]

Art is designed to evoke emotion, not always positive. Art that evokes sadness can still be valuable and beautiful.

[EsterCloat]

Hackulator wrote...

Art is designed to evoke emotion, not always positive. Art that evokes sadness can still be valuable and beautiful.

A product that evokes anger at the producer is poor business strategy.

[Clayless]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

ME 3 is a classic tragedy in the sense that it is the destruction of something noble through its own hubris. But  I digress... Emotional is what Bioware do best, and when they forget that, they fail. Look at that quote attributed to P. Weekes... (er, can't find right now, so I'll paraphrase): "Casey is really smart and analytical and expects others to be like that too..." etc. Well, one way to read that is "Casey approaches things intellectually instead of emotionally". And that's how you get a philosophical conundrum where an emotional payoff was supposed to be.

If you happen to find the exact quote folks, please post so you don't have to take my word for it.

I heard he never said that and it was a rumour.

[EsterCloat]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

ME 3 is a classic tragedy in the sense that it is the destruction of something noble through its own hubris. But  I digress... Emotional is what Bioware do best, and when they forget that, they fail. Look at that quote attributed to P. Weekes... (er, can't find right now, so I'll paraphrase): "Casey is really smart and analytical and expects others to be like that too..." etc. Well, one way to read that is "Casey approaches things intellectually instead of emotionally". And that's how you get a philosophical conundrum where an emotional payoff was supposed to be.

If you happen to find the exact quote folks, please post so you don't have to take my word for it.

I heard he never said that and it was a rumour.

An account at some forum that Weekes used to talk with fans posted some stuff on Casey writing the ending and trying to explain why the ending was the way it was without really supporting or condemning it. Weekes and Bioware then said that it had been hacked and it wasn't actually Weekes that posted all that. Conspiracy theories and such tend to gloss over that some. :/

Modifié par EsterCloat, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:43 .

[Hackulator]

EsterCloat wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Art is designed to evoke emotion, not always positive. Art that evokes sadness can still be valuable and beautiful.

A product that evokes anger at the producer is poor business strategy.

So Mass Effect 3 is great art but bad business? As a consumer and someone who loves things that are beautiful, I'm ok with that.

[SpamBot2000]

EsterCloat wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

ME 3 is a classic tragedy in the sense that it is the destruction of something noble through its own hubris. But  I digress... Emotional is what Bioware do best, and when they forget that, they fail. Look at that quote attributed to P. Weekes... (er, can't find right now, so I'll paraphrase): "Casey is really smart and analytical and expects others to be like that too..." etc. Well, one way to read that is "Casey approaches things intellectually instead of emotionally". And that's how you get a philosophical conundrum where an emotional payoff was supposed to be.

If you happen to find the exact quote folks, please post so you don't have to take my word for it.

I heard he never said that and it was a rumour.

An account at some forum that Weekes used to talk with fans posted some stuff on Casey writing the ending and trying to explain why the ending was the way it was without really supporting or condemning it. Weekes and Bioware then said that it had been hacked and it wasn't actually Weekes that posted all that. Conspiracy theories and such tend to gloss over that some. :/

Yeah, that is correct. Whether it's true or not, it makes a lot of sense though.

[Han Shot First]

No.

I like that Mass Effect 3 is the most emotionally poignant chapter of the series. It is also appropriate considering that is the game where the Reapers actually invade, and are systematically destroying the civilizations of the galaxy. It is by far the bloodiest and most destructive conflict in the collective histories of all the galactic civilizations, including humanity. With that in mind a storyline that was designed to have less emotional impact would have been a disservice to the series.

[mad825]

Seeing as they tried to use a child to pull heart strings I doubt it.

They focused too much on making it like TV .

Modifié par mad825, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[EsterCloat]

Hackulator wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Art is designed to evoke emotion, not always positive. Art that evokes sadness can still be valuable and beautiful.

A product that evokes anger at the producer is poor business strategy.

So Mass Effect 3 is great art but bad business? As a consumer and someone who loves things that are beautiful, I'm ok with that.

Very few people think Mass Effect 3 is "great art". Even people who liked the ending wouldn't go that far. Keep it in perspective.

[Hackulator]

EsterCloat wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Art is designed to evoke emotion, not always positive. Art that evokes sadness can still be valuable and beautiful.

A product that evokes anger at the producer is poor business strategy.

So Mass Effect 3 is great art but bad business? As a consumer and someone who loves things that are beautiful, I'm ok with that.

Very few people think Mass Effect 3 is "great art". Even people who liked the ending wouldn't go that far. Keep it in perspective.

I don't think you can speak for people who liked the ending, since it appears you did not. I think the ending was flawed, and I still think Mass Effect 3 is a pretty impressive piece of art.

[Han Shot First]

I have a hard time using the word 'art' when talking about a commercial enterprise, but I do think Mass Effect 3 was a great game.

[dreman9999]

BigBadMammogram wrote...

The emotions have nothing to do with it. Most people were expecting a sad ending, including myself.

But this ending makes no sense, at all. That, in my opinion, is the biggest problem.

The ending makes sense with EC.

[Hackulator]

Han Shot First wrote...

I have a hard time using the word 'art' when talking about a commercial enterprise, but I do think Mass Effect 3 was a great game.

If a commercial enterprise results in art, its art. While you may think that this is a rare occurence, it doesn't mean anything originating from such a source cannot be art. Is great writing art? Books get published as a commercial enterprise. Is a great movie art? Production companies made those movies as a commercial enterprise. I'm sorry, but you really just can't back up that statement. 

Well, you can back up the statement that you personally have a hard time doing so, but you can't really back up that opinion making sense.

Modifié par Hackulator, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .