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Hi, EA/Bioware have not given a reply to this question for some days now, so I guess I'll test my luck here. Hopefully whoever provides an answer knows exactly what their talking about heh.

I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. I currently have 4 gigs of ram
and 896mb onboard video ram for a total of 4.896 gigs of ram. I noticed
on the back of the Dragon Age Origins case it says that 3 gigs of ram
are recommended for users with Windows 7.

I'm not sure if those 3
gigs recommended are pertaining to overall system RAM, or ram
specifically available for the game that is not being used by Windows 7
which would mean I would need 5 gigs of RAM just to run the game good.


So my main question is, do my 4 gigs of RAM and 896mb of onboard video RAM
succeed the recommended 3 gigs required for Dragon Age Origins even if
some RAM is being used towards Windows 7?

Modifié par Jordan_L, 15 décembre 2009 - 09:21 .


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Gorath Alpha

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Your onboard video disqualifies the PC you are asking about anyway. An actual video card is an actual requirement. Sorry.



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Gorath Alpha wrote...
Your onboard video disqualifies the PC you are asking about anyway. An actual video card is an actual requirement. Sorry.
Gorath
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I guess I shouldn't have stated "onboard video ram",  I will just say video ram so there isn't any confusion that I'm using an onboard video card.

I guess should elbaorate more,  I have a Nvidia EVGA GTX 260 Core 216, and a 3.0ghz Quad Core CPU, this is a custom built PC, not prebuilt. My main concern is the RAM requirements.

So let me re-post my initial question:

I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. I currently have 4 gigs of ram
and 896mb onboard video ram for a total of 4.896 gigs of ram. I noticed
on the back of the Dragon Age Origins case it says that 3 gigs of ram
are generally recommended for users with Windows 7 (but it doesn't list the RAM requirements for users with Windows 7 64 bit, which is odd because the 64 bit version of Windows 7 requires more RAM than the 32 bit version).

I'm not sure if those 3 gigs that Dragon Age Origins recommends are pertaining to overall system RAM, or ram
specifically available for the game that is not being used by Windows 7
which would mean I would need 5 gigs of RAM just to run the game good.

So my main question is, do my 4 gigs of RAM and 896mb of onboard video RAM
succeed the recommended 3 gigs required for Dragon Age Origins even if
some RAM is being used towards Windows 7?

Modifié par Jordan_L, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:33 .


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Well, for one thing... RAM and video RAM don't stack and have virtually nothing to do with each other from a "This game requires x amount of RAM" standpoint.



From another the GTX 260 is a rebrand of an earlier version card (Gorath will know, but I think he said it was the same as the GeForce 8600) and it has plenty of on-board RAM but if it is the rebranded 8600 then it's not quite the recommended card listed on the back.



As for the rest, Vista and Windows 7 have approximately the same requirements (Win 7 uses around 350mb more RAM based on what I've seen) so it's safe to assume that if you exceed the Recommended specs for Vista by at least 512mb you'll be fine in that respect.

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JironGhrad wrote...
The GTX 260 is a rebrand of an earlier version card (Gorath will know, but I think he said it was the same as the GeForce 8600) and it has plenty of on-board RAM but if it is the rebranded 8600 then it's not quite the recommended card listed on the back.


lol, No.  There are two versions of the GTX 260, the GTX 260 and the GTX 260 Core 216, which replaced the GTX 260. The GTX 280 had a new version released as well and it is still called the GTX 280. The GTX 260 Core 216 is equivalent to the first GTX 280. The GTX series is Nvidia's latest line in their GPU series for the past 5 months or so which you should know by now, the GTX 260 Core 216 is located in the high end pack of cards pertaining to the GTX  "200" series line.

Cmon guys, I said don't post if you don't know what your talking about...

Nvidia GeForce 200 Series

Entry-level GPU's:
G 210, GT 220

Mid-Range GPU's:
GT 240, GTS 250

High-end GPU's:
GTX 260, GTX 260 Core 216, GTX 275, GTX 280, GTX 285, GTX 295

Modifié par Jordan_L, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:39 .


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A GTX 260 Core 216 is not a rebrand of any card, and exceeds the recommended system requirements.

4GB of system memory along with 896MB of video memory is enough for this game. The toolset? That depends on whether you're editing late save game files.

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JironGhrad wrote...

Well, for one thing... RAM and video RAM don't stack and have virtually nothing to do with each other from a "This game requires x amount of RAM" standpoint.

From another the GTX 260 is a rebrand of an earlier version card (Gorath will know, but I think he said it was the same as the GeForce 8600) and it has plenty of on-board RAM but if it is the rebranded 8600 then it's not quite the recommended card listed on the back.

As for the rest, Vista and Windows 7 have approximately the same requirements (Win 7 uses around 350mb more RAM based on what I've seen) so it's safe to assume that if you exceed the Recommended specs for Vista by at least 512mb you'll be fine in that respect.


GTX 260 is NOT a 8600 GT. Not even close. The GTX 260 is BETTER than the GTS 250 (9800 GTX+ Rebranded). In fact, the GTX 260 is on the whole new GT200 Architecture. The GT 220 is the closest rebrand or specification to the 8600 GT (the GT 240 is a 9600 GT rebrand or really close equivalent specification).

Windows 7 is so much better than Vista and you will find yourself that RAM is optimized better in 7 than Vista. I think honestly 7 doesn't need as much RAM as Vista since it is that good in optimization. I think for your case you are fine. Many people on these forums go overboard with really how much RAM is needed and such. So let me give you the load down.

1. Anything over 4 GB of RAM (DDR2/DDR3) is kinda overkill UNLESS you are a true multitasker with various RAM consuming programs opened simultaneously (Like playing DA:O and asking Photoshop to render something with .RAW photographic files at the same time).

2. Windows 7 as I said is better optimized that it doesn't use tons of RAM as Vista did. Therefore you RAM usage should be LOWER in 7 than Vista in GENERAL.

3. x64 vs. x86 in RAM usage should be the same. x64 DOESN'T use MORE RAM than x86 (x32). The only thing x64 is BETTER at is it is able to UTILIZE x64 PROGRAMS and DETECT more RAM OVER 3.25 GB. RAM USAGE on x64 programs VARY. DA:O is a x86 Program but it DOES use lots of RAM, HOWEVER the advantage usage of such RAM diminishes really after 4 GB, meaning 4 GB is still a plenty (considering you don't multitask as you game).

4. 3 GB of RAM for Vista for this game is important as Vista HOGS RAM like Ale. For 7, I think you CAN get away with it with only 2 GB, due to how 7 uses less (IN GENERAL) RAM than Vista (for me with Windows 7 Ultimate x64).

5. DA:O uses RAM a lot for a game is due to how much scripts and game engine calculation is done in-game (this is more or less a D&D Pen-and-Pencil game system all computerized with fancy graphics, so the computer has to be your Game Master AND doing all your rolling and calculations as well). In fact it is so complication that DA:O will inevitably start having the infamous memory leak woes that causes general loading slowdowns and such that requires you to stop playing and reload the game ever few hours. That is a game engine problem, not your RAM being too little.

6. Adding 5 GB of RAM is a BAD idea. Odd number of RAM added to your computer will lose the Dual Channel ability of your RAM, meaning your RAM will lose some speed and optimization. Sure you get more space, but you lose the DDR Bandwidth the RAM is using to connect to your CPU. In my honest opinion, I rather stick with Even number of RAM (with each stick having the same capacity like one 2 GB stick or 2 1 GB sticks to make up the even numbered 2 GB RAM etc.)

7. In conclusion, your 4 GB of RAM is enough. Unless as I said before you are a true multitasker. I find the norms of hardware advancement today to excessive to the development of software.

PS: I do use 4 GB of DDR2 RAM BTW. 4 GB is the norm for Vista and 7 era computers. 2 GB is still the norm to the XP Loyalists. Right now the stupid OEM's are trying to make 6 GB the new norm but I find that to be overkill for this year and maybe next year. In 2011 6 GB maybe the new norm. All depends on the software industry.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:11 .


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Thank you very much, finally some people that know their stuff!!

As for the 5 gigs, I was just using that as a reference example, if I ever had to buy more ram, I'd just get another  2 GB for a total of 6 gigs.

The reason I mentioned that Windows 7 64-bit uses more RAM than Windows 7 32-bit is that for some reason, Microsoft's official Windows 7 system requirements page as well as Newegg has the Windows 7 system requirements for RAM stated as "1 gigabyte (GB) RAM  (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)".  Anyways, I completely agree with Windows 7 using RAM better than Vista. After viewing several game benchmarks concerning Windows 7, I was convinced to purchase Windows 7, especaially because it is optimized for multithreaded cpu's.

And your correct Strikesaber, about how a 32-bit OS only recongizines 3.25 gigs of ram due to 4 gigs being the maximum amount a 32 bit OS can use: the 896mb of video ram causes the 4 gig max to be breached causing the 32-bit OS to display only 3.25 gigs in the system information panel. This is another big reason why I chose to get rid of Windows XP 32-bit and get Windows 7 64-bit, so I can utitlize RAM in amounts of 4+.

Modifié par Jordan_L, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:15 .


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To keep this thread short the HIGHER RAM you have the better, 4 GB should be the safe zone to play it properly.

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I'm running a similar system to yours it runs great for me. You have no worries. Mate.
edit: mines custom built aswell...i actually built it as a digital audio workstation but couldn't help buy a gaming graphics card so.

Modifié par andyr1986, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:23 .


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Actually, you're correct I was thinking of the 220, not the 260. That said, Saber is wrong about memory usage. Having compared clean boots of Vista Home Premium 64-bit to Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit on the same machine, Win 7 is 343mb heavier in base RAM usage (that's with nothing but the OS installed, no AV, nothing.) Both are the retail installs and not upgrade version (I didn't install Win 7 over Vista).

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JironGhrad wrote...

Actually, you're correct I was thinking of the 220, not the 260. That said, Saber is wrong about memory usage. Having compared clean boots of Vista Home Premium 64-bit to Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit on the same machine, Win 7 is 343mb heavier in base RAM usage (that's with nothing but the OS installed, no AV, nothing.) Both are the retail installs and not upgrade version (I didn't install Win 7 over Vista).


That is interesting. I see in majority of computers that transitioned from Vista to 7 x64 to have less memory usage. Then again I said in GENERAL. Individual results may vary like in the commercials. Also Vista is just terrible in about every really. I found gaming performance to go up with 7 than in Vista. Either way, I doubt DA:O needs more than 4 GB of RAM, more or less 2 GB if you manage to shave off many frivolous background tasks. Vista sucks at CPU optimization and basic Operating System tasks. It just hogs you down till you feel like you were using Windows Me but with shiny stuff added.

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I've been running DA:O on W7 x64 and have 8 GB RAM (DDR2-1066). DA:O is the first game that I've seen push RAM usage over 4 GB (4100-4200 MB as a max; typically runs between 3300-3800) with nothing other than background programs and Fx open. I'm also running an eVGA 260 Core 216. Windows likes to maximize RAM usage, but it'd have been interesting to see what would happen on my system if I yank two of those RAM modules and run with 4 GB. Would it impact? Perhaps not. Likely it'd just not cache as much.

Modifié par Kevin Lynch, 16 décembre 2009 - 02:30 .


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I'm running XP SP3 and currently have 2GB of RAM and was considering buying 2 more, what is everyone's opinion on that, good idea or not?

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I'm running Win 7 x86 with 2 GB RAM(DDR-1066)

GFX: Zotac GTX 275 AMP 896 MB



Most of the time everything's smooth but towards the end there were minor drops(FPS) when large scale battles took place