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[Kyerea]

I do agree with your concern Aethyl, which is that the new N7 characters might be the new exemplary character in the class. Not necessarily broken, but so good it just makes the others pointless once you've unlocked it. Hence my speculation that they are ultra-rare character cards. Believe it or not, that would balance it out if they were indeed as amazing as they are implied to be. It wouldn't break the lore of humans being the versatile species of the galaxy, because these are the best of the best. Not just regular Alliance personnel. Imagine a human that's no longer just versatile in different combat roles, but has that functionality AND excels at a specific form of combat training like any other species? Yeah, I'd **** myself in fear as well. These guys and gals are N7-trained. So naturally, they damn well better be forces to reckon with on the battlefield. Let's remember some of the N7s that have graced us with their presence in the single-player. There's our player character, Shepard, and Admiral Anderson (our badass pseudo-father figure)... and Kai-Mother****ing-Leng. Need I say more?

Modifié par Kyerea, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:20 .

[ntrisley]

One thing that I actually just had occur to me was this:

The humans we have currently might not actually *be* N7 characters.

The human Special Forces training program requires an individual to undergo stages, from N1 to N6 before finally being promoted to N7 status.
Simply making it into the N1 stage is considered a badge of honor. From there, the work begins.
It finally ends with the N6 stage, where an individual has to undergo actual combat missions before even being *considered* for promotion to N7 status.

The characters we have now? They could be the "N6" humans, which would make the fact that Hackett referred to these teams as "unofficial N7s" a whole lot more sensible especially considering he makes a note in the message you receive from him to the tune of "It's okay unless people get a bit silly about referring to themselves as N7s".

[KrazyMF]

staindgrey wrote...

I'd be perfectly fine with humans, so long as they have faces.

I hate the helmets. I really do. We don't need to customize the face; just give us different copy/pasted defaults for each class, and varying powers. Oh, and make sure they don't suck, like most humans.

Done and done.

I'd like to see some of the SP armors like Blood Dragon (favorite) and Terminous armors for the new Earth DLC characters. That would be pretty cool. If they have faces people will complain about them not looking right to their standards, with the helmets... there is at least some acceptance because MOST people don't care.

To be honest you're the first person I've seen that actually wants faces, and I don't think they are going to go out of their way to please you, and you alone.

[surge747]

I'm perfectly fine with 6 humans as long as they're all unique. Like different armor for each class and not have the Engineer and Infiltrator for example sharing the same look. I also hope they each have at least one new ability like they did with Resurgence, and not having an exact same set of powers for two characters but with one varying power like Rebellion.

[Versus Omnibus]

GallowsPole wrote...

I'm down for a Marvin the Martian character. He can destroy the earth with his space modulator.

I can already imagine his line when reviving teammates: "Delays. Delays."

[Rebel_Raven]

Karsciyin wrote...

I get the impression that the humans are all going to be male again. Because
1) if they mix up the genders people assume sexism/catering depending on which gender gets what class - eg if the vanguard and soldier are male "are you implying women are weak?" followed by
2) most people play male Shepard in SP, when it comes to humans in MP they probably often choose male again, and the player base for ME3 is likely to have more male than female (even if not by much) so they may just go all male for that reason.

If they're all male, I'm assuming sexism, and/or Misogyny.  *Shrug*
I'll lose respect for Bioware, and have more hatred heaped on the gaming industry.
They can only lose ground with me by dodging women all together. I don't care why they do it.
I might be in the minority, but I know people who'd resent an all male DLC, too.

And they could add some viable female vanguards, and melee experts to avert the whole "Women have to be archers/mages/healers/support" trope nonsense that's permeated RPGs for the longest of times, and thus not "weak."

As far as shepards go, last I heard, statistics show the split goes 3 ways. 18% prefer female shepard, 18% male, the rest don't change their character.

Honestly, I'd be glad if any of them were female, but I'm doubting it thanks to having 2 male phoenix agents for no good reason.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[Sidney]

I don't see the issues with humans. I'm not drawn to a race as much to a set of skills. Honestly the only "racial" thing I care about it the radial Geth melee that makes it tons easier to hit than the wonky uni-direction melees of the other races (well other than Asari).

[Adhok42]

I wanna know more about this "Typhoon" LMG. As a machine gun nut I want to know if this could be the replacement I've been looking for for my Soldier.

I'm also hoping for a Sentinel I won't mind playing. So far BioWare is now two for two on adding characters to classes I don't like since I went back to trying out the Kroguard for Savage and they nailed it with the Phoenix first time go around. I still don't like Sentinels. Maybe I might even end up replacing my soldier if the new solider is better.

[BlackoutOmega]

Why is everybody acting like it's been confirmed?

[WarGriffin]

... The only Earth map worth fighting in is San Fran



I remember wong

[jadonbond]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

I get the impression that the humans are all going to be male again. Because
1) if they mix up the genders people assume sexism/catering depending on which gender gets what class - eg if the vanguard and soldier are male "are you implying women are weak?" followed by
2) most people play male Shepard in SP, when it comes to humans in MP they probably often choose male again, and the player base for ME3 is likely to have more male than female (even if not by much) so they may just go all male for that reason.

If they're all male, I'm assuming sexism, and/or Misogyny.  *Shrug*
I'll lose respect for Bioware, and have more hatred heaped on the gaming industry.
They can only lose ground with me by dodging women all together. I don't care why they do it.
I might be in the minority, but I know people who'd resent an all male DLC, too.

And they could add some viable female vanguards, and melee experts to avert the whole "Women have to be archers/mages/healers/support" trope nonsense that's permeated RPGs for the longest of times, and thus not "weak."

As far as shepards go, last I heard, statistics show the split goes 3 ways. 18% prefer female shepard, 18% male, the rest don't change their character.

Honestly, I'd be glad if any of them were female, but I'm doubting it thanks to having 2 male phoenix agents for no good reason.

why the hell would i want to play as a female? or anyone else for that matter.  the number of males who play this game is far greater than the number of females who play this game so to appeal to the bigger audience it would make sence that the classes would be male.  also females have a really annoying grunting sounds when they have heavy melee, but the males have a more ba grunting sound.  also y would it make sense to add more human female classes but not more female alien classes.  

[Rebel_Raven]

jadonbond wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

I get the impression that the humans are all going to be male again. Because
1) if they mix up the genders people assume sexism/catering depending on which gender gets what class - eg if the vanguard and soldier are male "are you implying women are weak?" followed by
2) most people play male Shepard in SP, when it comes to humans in MP they probably often choose male again, and the player base for ME3 is likely to have more male than female (even if not by much) so they may just go all male for that reason.

If they're all male, I'm assuming sexism, and/or Misogyny.  *Shrug*
I'll lose respect for Bioware, and have more hatred heaped on the gaming industry.
They can only lose ground with me by dodging women all together. I don't care why they do it.
I might be in the minority, but I know people who'd resent an all male DLC, too.

And they could add some viable female vanguards, and melee experts to avert the whole "Women have to be archers/mages/healers/support" trope nonsense that's permeated RPGs for the longest of times, and thus not "weak."

As far as shepards go, last I heard, statistics show the split goes 3 ways. 18% prefer female shepard, 18% male, the rest don't change their character.

Honestly, I'd be glad if any of them were female, but I'm doubting it thanks to having 2 male phoenix agents for no good reason.

why the hell would i want to play as a female? or anyone else for that matter.  the number of males who play this game is far greater than the number of females who play this game so to appeal to the bigger audience it would make sence that the classes would be male.  also females have a really annoying grunting sounds when they have heavy melee, but the males have a more ba grunting sound.  also y would it make sense to add more human female classes but not more female alien classes.  

That's kinda absurd.
Why, with me being female, would I want to play as a guy? It works both ways.

I don't care what excuses you wanna pull out. It's all crap excuses to me. It all sounds like misogyny to me, bluntly.

I never said it'd make more sense to add human or alien females over others.

As for adding more human females over adding more female aliens, I actually have a preferrence for the latter. I'd rather see a female Krogan, or Female Turian character. Considering the next DLC is earth centric, a female human would be nice. Preferrably a vanguard with some good shields, and melee.

Regardless of the theme of the DLC I can't forgive an all male MP character pack.

[Aethyl]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

jadonbond wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

I get the impression that the humans are all going to be male again. Because
1) if they mix up the genders people assume sexism/catering depending on which gender gets what class - eg if the vanguard and soldier are male "are you implying women are weak?" followed by
2) most people play male Shepard in SP, when it comes to humans in MP they probably often choose male again, and the player base for ME3 is likely to have more male than female (even if not by much) so they may just go all male for that reason.

If they're all male, I'm assuming sexism, and/or Misogyny.  *Shrug*
I'll lose respect for Bioware, and have more hatred heaped on the gaming industry.
They can only lose ground with me by dodging women all together. I don't care why they do it.
I might be in the minority, but I know people who'd resent an all male DLC, too.

And they could add some viable female vanguards, and melee experts to avert the whole "Women have to be archers/mages/healers/support" trope nonsense that's permeated RPGs for the longest of times, and thus not "weak."

As far as shepards go, last I heard, statistics show the split goes 3 ways. 18% prefer female shepard, 18% male, the rest don't change their character.

Honestly, I'd be glad if any of them were female, but I'm doubting it thanks to having 2 male phoenix agents for no good reason.

why the hell would i want to play as a female? or anyone else for that matter.  the number of males who play this game is far greater than the number of females who play this game so to appeal to the bigger audience it would make sence that the classes would be male.  also females have a really annoying grunting sounds when they have heavy melee, but the males have a more ba grunting sound.  also y would it make sense to add more human female classes but not more female alien classes.  

That's kinda absurd.
Why, with me being female, would I want to play as a guy? It works both ways.

I don't care what excuses you wanna pull out. It's all crap excuses to me. It all sounds like misogyny to me, bluntly.

I never said it'd make more sense to add human or alien females over others.

As for adding more human females over adding more female aliens, I actually have a preferrence for the latter. I'd rather see a female Krogan, or Female Turian character. Considering the next DLC is earth centric, a female human would be nice. Preferrably a vanguard with some good shields, and melee.

Regardless of the theme of the DLC I can't forgive an all male MP character pack.

Even as a male, I agree with that.
I really hope we will have a balanced DLC gender wise, with at least 3 males 3 females, or even better each gender for each character.

Your argument " I am a male so I want to play as male  " is selfish as hell, since you know, female gamers exist as well, and maybe they do want to play female as much as you want to play male. <_<

[WARMACHINE9]

I'm a guy and I usually like to play female characters as they are pleasing to the eye and I believe in equal rights even in a video game. Just imagine a world where you had to play female characters because thats the "norm". thats what women gamers go through all the time.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

I get the impression that the humans are all going to be male again. Because
1) if they mix up the genders people assume sexism/catering depending on which gender gets what class - eg if the vanguard and soldier are male "are you implying women are weak?" followed by
2) most people play male Shepard in SP, when it comes to humans in MP they probably often choose male again, and the player base for ME3 is likely to have more male than female (even if not by much) so they may just go all male for that reason.

If they're all male, I'm assuming sexism, and/or Misogyny.  *Shrug*
I'll lose respect for Bioware, and have more hatred heaped on the gaming industry.
They can only lose ground with me by dodging women all together. I don't care why they do it.
I might be in the minority, but I know people who'd resent an all male DLC, too.

And they could add some viable female vanguards, and melee experts to avert the whole "Women have to be archers/mages/healers/support" trope nonsense that's permeated RPGs for the longest of times, and thus not "weak."

As far as shepards go, last I heard, statistics show the split goes 3 ways. 18% prefer female shepard, 18% male, the rest don't change their character.

Honestly, I'd be glad if any of them were female, but I'm doubting it thanks to having 2 male phoenix agents for no good reason.

Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

[Rebel_Raven]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

As far as calling them mysogynistic, I'll go there if they do fall into the rut of excluding women from DLC. Why else would they cut out the women instead of cutting out the men? It may be childish, but I'm just tired of it.
I'm tired of the excuses game companies make when they cut out women. As far as I'm concerned they cut women out coz they just aren't important enough.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[Aethyl]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

As far as calling them mysogynistic, I'll go there if they do fall into the rut of excluding women from DLC. Why else would they cut out the women instead of cutting out the men? It may be childish, but I'm just tired of it.
I'm tired of the excuses game companies make when they cut out women. As far as I'm concerned they cut women out coz they just aren't important enough.

About the fact the the female vanguards don't have the Krogan vanguard's melee prowess or shields, that's mostly a matter of race ,not gender, since the human male vanguard have exactly the same issue.
I don't think this one is an argument.

The human female vanguard and male one are exactly balanced, and are still pretty useful in game, especially knowing they have nova, one of the most effective aoe skill in game. So yeah, the human females are actually pretty good.

I am most annoyed with the direct lack of female aliens for gendered species, like Turians for example, but, even if I agree that a gender balanced DLC is needed to me, telling "they should be vanguards because I am tired of weak females in game" is not an argument.

Just imagine, if we get a female Turian adept, I remember debating with you on that subject, it would be the cliche of mage aka physically weak, but it would still be a good way to introduce Turians adept and female in the game.
It would not be automatically mysoginic, just a way to introduce new gameplays as well as alien females.

And finally, about the models, yeah I guess they could use the existing by just reworking them a little.

Modifié par Aethyl, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

The Human Vanguard has some of the best Close quarters combat utility in the game Surpassing that of the krogan. It's not exactly melee in a technical sense but nova and charge are melee-isq powers. Shield capacity hardly matters if you can recharge your shields every 3 seconds. 

In regards on their choice to use males over females for the Phoenix kit this probaly a majority thing. The free DLC model requires that the characters be attractive enough to make people consider spending real money on packs to get them. Not to say that a lot of people wouldn't want female phoenix kits simply that a lot more would probaly activley seek male ones. I can't say for sure that's the reason but it's the most likley i can think of rather than the multiplayer team is full of sexists. considering how many female characters they had at launch that seems very far fetched. 

and those Vorcha could be female.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Aethyl wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

As far as calling them mysogynistic, I'll go there if they do fall into the rut of excluding women from DLC. Why else would they cut out the women instead of cutting out the men? It may be childish, but I'm just tired of it.
I'm tired of the excuses game companies make when they cut out women. As far as I'm concerned they cut women out coz they just aren't important enough.

About the fact the the female vanguards don't have the Krogan vanguard's melee prowess or shields, that's mostly a matter of race ,not gender, since the human male vanguard have exactly the same issue.
I don't think this one is an argument.

The human female vanguard and male one are exactly balanced, and are still pretty useful in game, especially knowing they have nova, one of the most effective aoe skill in game. So yeah, the human females are actually pretty good.

I am most annoyed with the direct lack of female aliens for gendered species, like Turians for example, but, even if I agree that a gender balanced DLC is needed to me, telling "they should be vanguards because I am tired of weak females in game" is not an argument.

Just imagine, if we get a female Turian adept, I remember debating with you on that subject, it would be the cliche of mage aka physically weak, but it would still be a good way to introduce Turians adept and female in the game.
It would not be automatically mysoginic, just a way to introduce new gameplays as well as alien females.

And finally, about the models, yeah I guess they could use the existing by just reworking them a little.

An easy way to add female turians would be to slap a cool Garrus  helmet on and give them a female voice with the same character model. As Turians are identical except for their heads anyways. 

[Aethyl]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

The Human Vanguard has some of the best Close quarters combat utility in the game Surpassing that of the krogan. It's not exactly melee in a technical sense but nova and charge are melee-isq powers. Shield capacity hardly matters if you can recharge your shields every 3 seconds. 

In regards on their choice to use males over females for the Phoenix kit this probaly a majority thing. The free DLC model requires that the characters be attractive enough to make people consider spending real money on packs to get them. Not to say that a lot of people wouldn't want female phoenix kits simply that a lot more would probaly activley seek male ones. I can't say for sure that's the reason but it's the most likley i can think of rather than the multiplayer team is full of sexists. considering how many female characters they had at launch that seems very far fetched. 

and those Vorcha could be female.

Those Vorchas are sure sexy.

Anyway, I think that yeah, the model have to be attractive for their store to work, but for exemple, they could do one gender for each of those new class, maybe in "pack cards" unlocking the 2 genders in once.

Would convince male AND females to spend real money on those packs.

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

An easy way to add female
turians would be to slap a cool Garrus  helmet on and give them a
female voice with the same character model. As Turians are identical
except for their heads anyways. 

It could work, but would be a lame way to introduce them in my opinion, almost as lame as how Tali's face was handled for exemple.

They could just slightly change the face model instead, by shortening the fringe and whatever, could work as well.
As well as giving them neat female voices.

Modifié par Aethyl, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[Kyerea]

N7 Marines lame?

So what you are saying is that Shepard was lame?

And Anderson?

And Kai Leng?

Last I checked, they were pretty kickass. N7 Alliance personnel are the best of the best, Hell, we're probably looking at different abilities/playstyles in comparison to each of the classes they belong in. I'm down for new characters with new abilities. These are the guys the "N7 Spec Ops" are named after, since you know, they kinda lead these operations in the first place. We get new weapons, new mods, new maps, badass new characters and SUPPOSEDLY a new difficulty. FOR FREE. "BUT IT HAS HOOMANS IN IT! DEY BE SO BORING! WE GET THEM IN EVERY DLC!" The only "new humans" we have received so far are the Project Phoenix Cerberus defectors, and they could arguably be considered Post-Humans due to their enhancements. So far, the majority of the new characters by far has been xenos.

[Rebel_Raven]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...Although the Video game industry on average isn't great on giving female role models or doing things that reduce their sexist repution, to call Bioware sexist because they do not include female characters in a DLC is silly. And rather immature imo.

Bioware has one of the better track records for treating the female gamers with respect, just because they do not give you equal amounts of female and male characters does not make them Misognistic. That's a rather gross word to call someone for such a petty reason. Character models cost time and resources, it's an unfortunate truth and likley the reason why we only got 1 character model for the phoenix kit.

and what do mean they don't have viable female Vanguards? The Female human vanguard and Asari vanguard are not just viable but excellent classes. 

I'm not arguing bioware being one of the more gender equal game companies out there. It's one reason I have some hope that they won't fall into the same rut a lot of game companies fall into by just making all guy DLCs. Still, the most recent DLC stung, and beat down some of that hope. Adding Male Quarians just kinda rubbed salt in the wound.

As far as models costing money, then why not just make, reuse, recycle, etc. existing female models and make a pack of all women, or even some females? It should cost the same as if they had males. Do female models cost more? Do female voice actors cost more?

Lemme ask you this. Do either of the female vanguards have a Krogan vanguard's melee prowess, or their immense shield capacity? I feel they're becoming antiquated with the new, unique vanguards.

Furthermore, lets look at the personalities of MP characters. Krogans, and Vorcha have a less professional tone about them. Female character speech is more subdued across the board. I'd like a female character that's less professional in terms of speech.

The Human Vanguard has some of the best Close quarters combat utility in the game Surpassing that of the krogan. It's not exactly melee in a technical sense but nova and charge are melee-isq powers. Shield capacity hardly matters if you can recharge your shields every 3 seconds. 

In regards on their choice to use males over females for the Phoenix kit this probaly a majority thing. The free DLC model requires that the characters be attractive enough to make people consider spending real money on packs to get them. Not to say that a lot of people wouldn't want female phoenix kits simply that a lot more would probaly activley seek male ones. I can't say for sure that's the reason but it's the most likley i can think of rather than the multiplayer team is full of sexists. considering how many female characters they had at launch that seems very far fetched. 

and those Vorcha could be female.

If there were male/female versions of Vorcha, they'd prolly say what gender they are, or atleast the gender of one of them. Last I recall, I don't think they're single gender.
I'm not big on pretending a character is a woman. I've got friends of a like mind in that regard, too. Krogan battlemaster really kinda broke a friend's heart. She likes being armored, and melee-centric now and then, and female to boot. Especially in light of the old trope that females have to be healers/mages/archers/squishy, etc.

Even then, despite the weird forehead nostril looking holes Vorcha have, which freak me out a lil', they still look better than batarians, IMO.

Before they added the latest DLC which was all male, I honestly didn't have a bad thing to say about their MP roster. Well, aside from the dry personalities of the women, and I could kinda liev with that.

If the trend of all male DLC packs continues, well, I'll feel second class, and I will continue having hard feelings towards the MP team. I mean if they can't even make 1 in 6 characters female in the future, then how am I supposed to feel?

If they -really- want to restore my faith, I want to see female Turians, and female Krogans at the least. Sort of a shot back for them breaking the gender representation for quarians in MP who were all female.  I'd really, and truely feel better about Bioware. And I'm patient enough to wait beyond the earth DLC since I expect no aliens in there what so ever.

Kyerea wrote...

N7 Marines lame?

So what you are saying is that Shepard was lame?

And Anderson?

And Kai Leng?

Last I checked, they were pretty kickass. N7 Alliance personnel are the best of the best, Hell, we're probably looking at different abilities/playstyles in comparison to each of the classes they belong in. I'm down for new characters with new abilities. These are the guys the "N7 Spec Ops" are named after, since you know, they kinda lead these operations in the first place. We get new weapons, new mods, new maps, badass new characters and SUPPOSEDLY a new difficulty. FOR FREE. "BUT IT HAS HOOMANS IN IT! DEY BE SO BORING! WE GET THEM IN EVERY DLC!" The only "new humans" we have received so far are the Project Phoenix Cerberus defectors, and they could arguably be considered Post-Humans due to their enhancements. So far, the majority of the new characters by far has been xenos.

I'm sorry, Kai Leng was uttterly terrible. A Gary Stu character that was pretty much just a glorified Phantom. Normal phantoms are more interesting than him, IMO.

Anderson, and Shepard kicked ass, though.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:52 .

[Guglio08]

Who cares about character models?

Every single class has a Human Female model who is exactly the same, stat wise, as the Human Male, so I don't know what your problem is? Why is having Male Quarians a bad thing? They have a completely different move set.

Saying you feel insulted by not having a female character model is a bit absurd. The character model matters little compared to the player behind it.

[Dynamik78]

mabe when dlc is announced I will get back to MP to stack some credits...for now it's more than 1 month I don't play anymore ME3

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Just because the two phoenix characters were men does not automatically mean that they are going to make all six new humans male. That's an absurd assumption. Considering we already have female humans I am 100% sure these characters will not be all male.

Now the only question is: Is there a male & female counterpart for each class or does a single gender pertain to each class? Either way It's safe to say there will be AT LEAST TWO female characters if they take the latter route seeing how it will be split between three pairs - soldier/sentinel, adept/vanguard, and engineer/infiltrator. That does not make BioWare misogynist.

Here's hoping for a phantom character. I don't care if it's ex-cerberus or N7 experimental alliance funded "phantom" program.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 10 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .