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[puldalpha]

paying for a woman's dinner instead of letting them do it- chivalry
Not giving them the same treatment as men - sexism

[Stance Punk]

Drell Adept
Krogan Soldier
Salarian Engineerr
Turian Sentinel
Salarian Infiltrator
Drell Vanguard


The same exact powers of these guys but put on a human....

[Feauce]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

*snipped feminist hate-speech*

You're completely overreacting to a problem that isn't there. If you can't understand the meaning behind the phrase "evils of forced integration," I suggest you go find out, then revisit your ideas, then come back.

[PunkRawkSoldier]

puldalpha wrote...

paying for a woman's dinner instead of letting them do it- chivalry
Not giving them the same treatment as men - sexism

Precisely.

[Feauce]

puldalpha wrote...

paying for a woman's dinner instead of letting them do it- chivalry
Not giving them the same treatment as men - sexism

I find it interesting how most groups that demand "equal treatment" actually want better-than-equal treatment. Truthfully, most women would not want 100% equal treatment (think for a moment about that would fully mean), and as soon as women stop charging romantically interested men (the normal ones, not stalkers or whatever) with sexual harassment, I'll be more than willing to listen to their real problems.

Regarding the actual topic at hand, I'm hoping the new classes offer more than just existing alien characters in human models.

[upinya slayin]

Feauce wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

paying for a woman's dinner instead of letting them do it- chivalry
Not giving them the same treatment as men - sexism

I find it interesting how most groups that demand "equal treatment" actually want better-than-equal treatment. Truthfully, most women would not want 100% equal treatment (think for a moment about that would fully mean), and as soon as women stop charging romantically interested men (the normal ones, not stalkers or whatever) with sexual harassment, I'll be more than willing to listen to their real problems.

Regarding the actual topic at hand, I'm hoping the new classes offer more than just existing alien characters in human models.

umm i've never been charged with sexual harassment. maybe its just you?

[Feauce]

upinya slayin wrote...

umm i've never been charged with sexual harassment. maybe its just you?

I never have either, and I'm curious when I said you were. Maybe you'd best not jump to foolish conclusions.

[Sdrol117]

upinya slayin wrote...

Feauce wrote...

puldalpha wrote...

paying for a woman's dinner instead of letting them do it- chivalry
Not giving them the same treatment as men - sexism

I find it interesting how most groups that demand "equal treatment" actually want better-than-equal treatment. Truthfully, most women would not want 100% equal treatment (think for a moment about that would fully mean), and as soon as women stop charging romantically interested men (the normal ones, not stalkers or whatever) with sexual harassment, I'll be more than willing to listen to their real problems.

Regarding the actual topic at hand, I'm hoping the new classes offer more than just existing alien characters in human models.

umm i've never been charged with sexual harassment. maybe its just you?

..... and? It happens pretty often, 
one guy got his life almost ruined by a fake rape charge and he just got off of it not too long ago. 

[dzero]

obvious troll OP is obvious

[TheWout]

I hope all the new female classes are incredibly sexy

Modifié par TheWout, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Feauce]

TheWout wrote...

I hope all the new female classes are incredibly sexy

Like her?

[Rebel_Raven]

Feauce wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

*snipped feminist hate-speech*

You're completely overreacting to a problem that isn't there. If you can't understand the meaning behind the phrase "evils of forced integration," I suggest you go find out, then revisit your ideas, then come back.

Right, coz wanting a larger female presence in videogames with a dash of potential equality in gameplay balance as opposed to punishing a playstyle is evil, and wrong? And why should female characters be forced to begin with? Are they that hard to make?

Listen, I'm not looking to make massive real world change via this board, nor am I expecting my wants to be some gigantic milestone that makes the world more open to, well, anything. It'd be nice if somehow, Mass Effect changed the world's views on female representation of videogames, and that the minority, and I had a hand in it, but I doubt it. I'm simply giving my opinions on a medium, expressing my wants.

Yeah, I might not be all sugary sweet about expressing myself, but I don't see being sugary sweet over being honest as a route to what I want. Restricting myself to using honeyed words hasn't gotten me anywhere in other game forums, so to blazes with it. I'm going to be honest about my views.

People being civil over the matter of adding female characters to a game still get ridiculed regardless of the poster's gender, and even with civil words, people leap upon it, and try to tear it apart calling it feminist, and troll the notion.

I'm sorry you don't care for change, even in the medium of videogames, and want to keep the status quo in said medium. I also disagree, and keep my current opinions. An opinion piece won't change my mind.

If people don't like my ideas, or the way I express them, I don't care. If others want to go on about chivalry, equlaity, and laugh, fine. I'm still going to speak my mind.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:33 .

[Gockey]

Rebel_Raven wrote...


I'm sorry you don't care for change, even in the medium of videogames, and want to keep the status quo in said medium. I also disagree, and keep my current opinions. An opinion piece won't change my mind.

If people don't like my ideas, or the way I express them, I don't care. If others want to go on about chivalry, equlaity, and laugh, fine. I'm still going to speak my mind.

*Yawn* 

Creating a straw man argument won't negate the fact that your egregious previous statement was ridiculously out of place in the thread and a blatant soap box post for feminism.  

Want more female characters? Go buy a game that suits your needs.  Arguing like you have for your wants and needs isn't likely to public opinion or further your agenda.  Indeed, your diction and tone serve the opposite of your intent, unless your just looking to be a shock jock for a day and trying to raise awareness.  In which case, why are you here again?

tl;dr:  It is a video game.  If the manner in which the game is designed does not meet with your approval, then by all means vote with your wallet and don't buy it.  But please, less soapbox.

Modifié par Gockey, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Feauce]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Right, coz wanting a larger female presence in videogames with a dash of potential equality in gameplay balance as opposed to punishing a playstyle is evil, and wrong? And why should female characters be forced to begin with? Are they that hard to make?

If BioWare didn't want a significant female presence in Mass Effect, why did they make one of the most powerful and longest lived races in Citadel space entirely female?

Rebel_Raven wrote...

I'm simply giving my opinions on a medium, expressing my wants.

Funny, 'cause it sounded like you were trying to make demands. You know, with that whole "minimum of one female character per DLC pack" thing and all...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah, I might not be all sugary sweet about expressing myself, but I don't see being sugary sweet over being honest as a route to what I want. Restricting myself to using honeyed words hasn't gotten me anywhere in other game forums, so to blazes with it. I'm going to be honest about my views.

Just as long as you remember that "honest" and "wrong" aren't mutually exclusive.

Rebel_Raven wrote...

I'm sorry you don't care for change, even in the medium of videogames, and want to keep the status quo in said medium. I also disagree, and keep my current opinions. An opinion piece won't change my mind.

When did I ever say I was against females getting good treatment? My point was that feminists whine and complain when women already get good treatment a large portion of the time. Sure, women are mistreated sometimes, particularly in the workplace, but men get mistreated by corporate policy, too. Overall, women have it pretty good, and those that don't need to realize that they can change their own lives, not sit on their fat behinds and wait for life to change around them just because they cried themselves to sleep wishing for it.

Rebel_Raven wrote...

If people don't like my ideas, or the way I express them, I don't care. If others want to go on about chivalry, equlaity, and laugh, fine. I'm still going to speak my mind.

As long as you take some time every now and then to reevaluate what's going through said mind, go ahead. I don't laugh at the plight of women, I laugh at equally-sexist feminist propaganda. Forced equality is not equality. Work toward positive change any way you can, but trying to bludgeon the idea into people isn't the way to do things.

Modifié par Feauce, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .

[xCardim]

 I was about to create a new character and I saw these:

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20018.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20019.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20020.JPG

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20021.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20022.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20023.JPG

in the six classes

[Sdrol117]

xCardim wrote...

 I was about to create a new character and I saw these:

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20018.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20019.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20020.JPG

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20021.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20022.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20023.JPG

in the six classes

oh god no.

[JustinSaneV2]

xCardim wrote...

 I was about to create a new character and I saw these:

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20018.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20019.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20020.JPG

https://lh6.googleus...odays%20021.JPG

https://lh3.googleus...odays%20022.JPG

https://lh5.googleus...odays%20023.JPG

in the six classes

Hopefully those are just placeholders...

[upinya slayin]

Feauce wrote...

TheWout wrote...

I hope all the new female classes are incredibly sexy

Like her?

whoever made that did an awesome job. I' love to see that in a DLC

[TheWout]

No they are glitches

[Feauce]

JustinSaneV2 wrote...

xCardim wrote...

 I was about to create a new character and I saw these:

*snip*

in the six classes

Hopefully those are just placeholders...

Of course they are... When have we seen 100% identical characters outside of the male/female beginner humans? They usually change at least one power around.

[ntrisley]

Feauce wrote...

JustinSaneV2 wrote...

xCardim wrote...

 I was about to create a new character and I saw these:

*snip*

in the six classes

Hopefully those are just placeholders...

Of course they are... When have we seen 100% identical characters outside of the male/female beginner humans? They usually change at least one power around.

I dunno.

I can see these being the human characters, with those exact skillsets.

Does it mean they will be? Maybe not.
But I definitely would not turn down a Human Infiltrator with Energy Drain/Proximity Mine or a Decoy Engineer.

The graphic though is definitely a placeholder. The Cerberus/Vorcha/Male Quarian had something similar when for a small amount of time during the launch of "Rebellion" it was not reading correctly.
The skills were correct, if I'm remembering properly, but the graphic was the "generic" Male Human Infiltrator/Engineer.

Modifié par ntrisley, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:40 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Gockey wrote...

*Yawn* 

Creating a straw man argument won't negate the fact that your egregious previous statement was ridiculously out of place in the thread and a blatant soap box post for feminism.  

Want more female characters? Go buy a game that suits your needs.  Arguing like you have for your wants and needs isn't likely to public opinion or further your agenda.  Indeed, your diction and tone serve the opposite of your intent, unless your just looking to be a shock jock for a day and trying to raise awareness.  In which case, why are you here again?

tl;dr:  It is a video game.  If the manner in which the game is designed does not meet with your approval, then by all means vote with your wallet and don't buy it.  But please, less soapbox.

Yeah, you're boring, too.

Take my posts how you will. I'm giving my opinions.

Go buy a game that suits my needs? Funny there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of them.

And I do vote with my wallet considering videogames. I do like that way of thinking, and put it into practice quite often.
Most of the games I have offer lots of characters, some being female to pick from, or gender selection for the protagonist. I'm fine with that, too.
On top of that, I already have a copy of mass effect 3, and enjoyed the single player parts immensely. The ending DLC even moved me to tears.

I think you're missing something though. I didn't have a problem with Mass Effect until the DLC pack that was all guys, and rubbed me the wrong way with Male Quarians with no reciprocation of gender representation with all male represented alien species. If you've got a problem with that, then I repsect that, but I don't agree.

I still respect Mass Effect on the single player level in so many ways. I'm just worried about the Multiplayer part. hence why I'm in this section of the forum.

Sorry if i got on my soap box over the matter, I'm just a bit passionate about some of my opinions. I'm not expecting people to change their opinions, I'm just voicing my opinions.

In the end, though, it doesn't matter how I word things. I doubt many people will take me seriously as opposed to try and tear me, and/or my ideas down, or just ignore me. They're free to have their opinions, too. I don't have to like theirs any more than they like mine, though.
I'm just jaded over the whole matter, and am expressing myself.

Feauce wrote...
If BioWare didn't want a significant female presence in Mass Effect, why did they make one of the most powerful and longest lived races in Citadel space entirely female?

Lets not forget the Femshep cover of the game, and the femshep trailer, and letting us be a female shepard, giving female shaprd love interests both male and female, etc.

That's pretty much exclusive to single player, however, and singpleplayer is another part of the forum. Furthermore, that was then. This is now.
The present, and future of Multiplayer is what I'm worried about, and past experiences definitely give me a reason to worry. I really don't want Asari Justicar to be the last female character they add.

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Funny, 'cause it sounded like you were trying to make demands. You know, with that whole "minimum of one female character per DLC pack" thing and all...

Huh, sorry if I sounded demanding. Especially if I sounded demanding moreso than most other people wanting something for multiplayer. I'm vocal about it, yeah, but what i want doesn't come up often, and is usually on page 5 by the next day. Some persons don't want another topic made about wanting female anythings to be added, so I'm trying to keep older topics alive.

I know what I want, and I don't see it as gamebreaking, or lore breaking even. If the fanbase, no matter how small, doesn't speak up, they'll prolly never get what they want.

Just as long as you remember that "honest" and "wrong" aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm human. I can be "wrong." Same as anyone else. My opinions reflect no one else's views but my own. If people share, or agree with my opinions, that's lovely.

When did I ever say I was against females getting good treatment? My point was that feminists whine and complain when women already get good treatment a large portion of the time. Sure, women are mistreated sometimes, particularly in the workplace, but men get mistreated by corporate policy, too. Overall, women have it pretty good, and those that don't need to realize that they can change their own lives, not sit on their fat behinds and wait for life to change around them just because they cried themselves to sleep wishing for it.

I dunno, tossing the whole "evils of forced integration" thing at me over wanting a stronger presence of women in future DLC, and videogames,  and then wanting me to re-evaluate my position sorta hinted at it.

Alright, I think things are meandering off course here. You're going into changing the workplace, and thinking this involves my life beyond videogames, and such. I'm not dragging the world into this. At the most, the broadest I'm being is -videogames-, and maybe poking at the videogame industry as far as what is published.

Also, who're you calling "fat"?! <.< j/k

As long as you take some time every now and then to reevaluate what's going through said mind, go ahead. I don't laugh at the plight of women, I laugh at equally-sexist feminist propaganda. Forced equality is not equality. Work toward positive change any way you can, but trying to bludgeon the idea into people isn't the way to do things.

I've taken time to re-evaluate my ideas on the amount of female playable characters, and what roles they're in, and how often women get cut out of games, and why they get cut pretty much every year with the hot new videogame seasons, e3, and so on. So far, things still haven't quite changed enough for me to not feel there's a lack of them compared to games that exclude them as far as my opinion goes.

Lets get something straight. I'm keeping my world views out of this, and am sticking to videogames, and maybe letting some distaste over the videogame industry slip out. I'm not looking to spearhead some global wave change in all things here as opposed to hoping to secure more, fun female characters in multiplayer. Some guys believe it or not, don't want to play as a woman in game. The reverse is also true.

Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill. While I may be vocal, and angry with my posts, it's not to change the whole world. It's about the multiplayer facet of Mass Effect.

[TheWout]

I bet you are really annoying at work as well

Boss: "Staff, because you have been doing so well, here is a free pen"

Raven: "A pen is a clear phallic metaphor for the obvious preference to the male population in the office, i DEMAND that there will be an equal amount of pencil sharpeners available tomorrow morning, or i will write about it on a forum mostly populated by 16 year old  boys"

Modifié par TheWout, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[jadonbond]

bla bla blah stupid feminist crap no one gives a damn just enjoy the female classes that you have like the female quarians asari and female humans. we don't need any more female classes. enough said. bioware isn't sexist at all, they have been pushing the stupid femshep crap and gving female classes. but most people want male classes. lots of people don't even want human classes so human female classes would just be less appealing to play as. n7 idea is cool as long as they are all different and unique unlike the last dlc where for example the two quarians were the same basically and the two cerberus guys were the same.

[Rebel_Raven]

TheWout wrote...

I bet you are really annoying at work as well

Boss: "Staff, because you have been doing so well, here is a free pen"

Raven: "A pen is a clear phallic metaphor for the obvious preference to the male population in the office, i DEMAND that there will be an equal amount of pencil sharpeners available tomorrow morning, or i will write about it on a forum mostly populated by 16 year old  boys"

Nah, I'm glad that everyone gets the free pen as opposed to just the guys getting one while the women get nothing, so I've nothing to say on the matter.

And yeah, I recognize that the forum isn't entirely populated by mature minded persons, and I don't claim to be a mature minded person either. I'm posting, and have a bit of hope that my request will happen.