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[sth128]

Or is it simply doing what it was created to do?

So if I set fire to your house, it's not war, it's not conflict. It is simply doing what it was created to do.

When bombs exploded over London in WW2, it was not war, it was not conflict. The bombs were simply doing what they were created to do.



^ Not war (from Catalyst's view).

Natural fire has no mind. Natural fire does not select to burn some but not others. Natural fire does not choose to come back at specific times. Likening the Reapers to fire is a depravity that distorts the very fabric of ethical meaning.

What is the difference between the cultural and ethnic genocide wiping out the entire galaxy and the cultural and ethnic genocide going on in parts of the world? Can we also justify away those killings as "cleansing fire restoring the balance"?

[-WeAreLegion-]

Apparently LOL

[o Ventus]

Arguing against unlogic doesn't work.

I do it every day while debating Synthesis.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

The Catalyst is so blatantly bat**** insane that, in my opinion, there are no other options but to Destroy his ass or to pick Refusal.

[I am Sovereign]

My leprechaun tells me to burn things.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

It burns
And this was the point of a question

Catalyst is a master of sidestepping

[Applepie_Svk]

I already love this thread...

[Dranks]

If you set fire to my house, you're at war with me, not the fire. The fire was just a tool. I do see what you're saying though.

[The Angry One]

The Catalyst is stupid and everything that comes out of it's deceptive, insane mouth is stupid.

I loathe that creature, and not in the way a proper villain character should be loathed, but as the blight on the Mass Effect mythos it is.

Dranks wrote...

If you set fire to my house, you're at war
with me, not the fire. The fire was just a tool. I do see what you're
saying though.

The fire is used in an act of war, though and is being directed as such.
This is why I hate the Catalyst. It excuses everything it does with faulty metaphors and sugar-coating, like how it claims it doesn't kill, only "ascends".

This all goes back to Sovereign. Sovereign was a powerful antagonist, and he wasn't slimy.
Sovereign basically said "Yes. I'm going to kill you. What are you going to do about it? Nothing, that's what."
The Catalyst says "I don't kill! I help everyone! It's not my fault! I am merely a tool of fate!"

Guess which one I respect as an adversary and which one I think isn't fit to be walked over in high heels.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .

[Ghrelt]

Regardless of whether fire is a good metaphor for the reapers, if your house is on fire, you put the thing out.

[spiriticon]

Has no one heard the saying, "It's not guns that kill, it's people."?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Reminds me one of the Asimov story where they hypothetised:

If a modified robot were to drop a heavy weight upon a human being, he would not be breaking the First Law, if he did so with the knowledge that his strength and reaction speed would be sufficient to snatch the weight away before it struck the man. However once the weight left his fingers, he would be no longer the active medium. Only the blind force of gravity would be that. The robot could then change his mind and merely by inaction, allow the weight to strike.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .

[garrusfan1]

It makes perfect sense if you don't think about it. LOL

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

I just nuked your city.
Is this a war or a conflict? Clearly a conflict as the nuke was simply doing what it was suppose to do.

[spiriticon]

Is this candle at war?

Modifié par spiriticon, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[garrusfan1]

Well the holo kid should have been a politician. He can side step an issue with the best of them

[Zardoc]

spiriticon wrote...

Has no one heard the saying, "It's not guns that kill, it's people."?

Unless said guns come alive and develop means of travel.

[The Angry One]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Well the holo kid should have been a politician. He can side step an issue with the best of them

In fact that's all it does. I guess it's diplomacy programming is put to some use after all.

[garrusfan1]

spiriticon wrote...

Has no one heard the saying, "It's not guns that kill, it's people."?

Yeah but the reapers have brains they are not an inanimate object like a gun (I agree with that saying just not with this)

[CronoDragoon]

I think what the Catalyst is saying here is that it is a computer program designed to do one thing: find the most efficient solution to preserving organic and synthetic life. Once it concludes what that solution is, it will do it, period, without any wavering or thoughts of moral consequences. It cannot think in the way that sentient beings think. Its own nature prevents it from choosing any solution but the most efficient one.

[cavs25]

Fire isn't a sentient being, and the reapers are....most moronic analogy I've ever seen.

[garrusfan1]

The Angry One wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Well the holo kid should have been a politician. He can side step an issue with the best of them

In fact that's all it does. I guess it's diplomacy programming is put to some use after all.

I thought that was good thanks

[adneate]

spiriticon wrote...
Has no one heard the saying, "It's not guns that kill, it's people."?

That doesn't really seem to be the point the Catalyst is failing to make it's saying trying to say that manufactured weapons aren't used for war, they are somehow natural inspite of being utterly artificial. That you can make giant death crusiers in the shape of cuttlefish but not use them to fight a war because giant death crusiers in the shape of cuttlefish just naturally kill and slaughter as part of their nature.

It's almost the stupidest thing I've ever heard since "Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist."

[Tealjaker94]

spiriticon wrote...

Is this candle at war?

That candle isn't destroying all galactic civilization as it burns.

[Dranks]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I think what the Catalyst is saying here is that it is a computer program designed to do one thing: find the most efficient solution to preserving organic and synthetic life. Once it concludes what that solution is, it will do it, period, without any wavering or thoughts of moral consequences. It cannot think in the way that sentient beings think. Its own nature prevents it from choosing any solution but the most efficient one.

So Tron: Legacy?