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[o Ventus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

You people really are searching for things to complain about at this point.

What an enlightening post.

Thank you for the sage wisdom.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

I think if you accept that starkid is just VI or "strongly shackled AI", this will be even worse. This will mean that across the whole trilogy there was no primary villain and we basically tried to personify and fight a tornado.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:53 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

o Ventus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

You people really are searching for things to complain about at this point.

What an enlightening post.

Thank you for the sage wisdom.

You're welcome. I wish I had something more interesting to contribute with, but this is simply to sad to behold.

[adneate]

Forbry wrote...
Well, I clearly don't see it that way   I do not think that Bioware would make such a "mistake".
Also, the thesis I think Bioware wants to portray is not only showing in the ending. It is also showing during the whole series, in a couple of ways, so already before the ending .

I would really like to hear what the thesis that runs through the entire series and the endings is. I have doubts that such a thing can exist with an ending that basically cauterizes the story so EA could shove the game out the door to make a bunch of money.

[Forbry]

adneate wrote...

Forbry wrote...
Well, I clearly don't see it that way   I do not think that Bioware would make such a "mistake".
Also, the thesis I think Bioware wants to portray is not only showing in the ending. It is also showing during the whole series, in a couple of ways, so already before the ending .

I would really like to hear what the thesis that runs through the entire series and the endings is. I have doubts that such a thing can exist with an ending that basically cauterizes the story so EA could shove the game out the door to make a bunch of money.

Bahhh, you're just being sooooooooooooo negative... Read the appropiate posts at this forum with an open-mind and the thesis will reveal itself to you eventually

[d-boy15]

come on, it's just writer try to push you in to their favor choice "synthesis".

they tell us about how evil reaper is throughout trilogy and then in last 20 minutes they just
tell us that "well, reaper not really a bad guy, just want to save you"

what the hell? you got at least 60 hours to tell us about that but no, instead you shove it to
our face in the reward moment. It's like someone just spark an idea about synthesis in the
last minutes and want it to be in game too much even it's destroy all thing that make reaper
a great antagonist.

Modifié par d-boy15, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[sth128]

BDelacroix wrote...

That's like the ruling that you can only shoot military equipment.
Uniforms are defined as military equipment.

No joke, that is an actual rule.

Uh... What? Are you saying you can shoot military uniforms at people?

There's a rule in military engagement that says when you run out of bullets, shoot your uniform?

Is this army being lead by the Catalyst?

[Blacklash93]

General User wrote...
Well, the Reapers are under the Catalyst's control; they do, think, and say what they are programed to do, think, and say.

That's unclear. First it says it controls or directs them as an independent intelligence and we know for a fact it was created before the Reapers... then it says it's their collective intelligence and consensus.

If they are controlled and their purpose set in by the Catalyst and seeing the endings are most likley doomed to that forever, then yeah they should die. If not, then it gets more grey.

I can't really bother to form an opinion on this right now considering we'll likely get to speak to a Reaper who defected sometime in the future.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:01 .

[adneate]

Forbry wrote...
Bahhh, you're just being sooooooooooooo negative... Read the appropiate posts at this forum with an open-mind and the thesis will reveal itself to you eventually

I have and I've shot every single one of them down there is no thesis and everyone who says there is either won't explain it (like now) or wrote a fan fic and is trying to pass it off as the truth.

[Forbry]

d-boy15 wrote...

come on, it's just writer try to push you in to their favor choice "synthesis".

they tell us about how evil reaper is throughout trilogy and then in last 20 minutes they just
tell us that "well, reaper not really a bad guy, just want to save you"

what the hell? you got at least 60 hours to tell us about that bot no, instead you shove it to
our face in the reward moment. It's like someone just spark an idea about synthesis in the
last minutes and want it to be in game too much even it's destroy all thing that make reaper
a great antagonist.

Let's say I agree with what you're saying in all its facets. What's wrong with finding out everything turns out to be completely different then you thought its was. Why are you so angry and/or frustrated about that? Why don't you just feel really surprised, feel enlightened, feel Bioware has done a rather great, crediting way in fooling you? 

[sth128]

adneate wrote...

Forbry wrote...
Bahhh, you're just being sooooooooooooo negative... Read the appropiate posts at this forum with an open-mind and the thesis will reveal itself to you eventually

I have and I've shot every single one of them down there is no thesis and everyone who says there is either won't explain it (like now) or wrote a fan fic and is trying to pass it off as the truth.

The thesis of Mass Effect is that the end justifies the means, galactic genocide is okay if you think of yourself as a cleansing fire, oh and turning everyone into a Borg (synthetic hybrid, perfection, green glow) is the best solution ever.

Oh and robots are evil so we should kill them all. Especially the sexy ones who walk around with a ******.

[Blacklash93]

sth128 wrote...
The thesis of Mass Effect is that the end justifies the means, galactic genocide is okay if you think of yourself as a cleansing fire, oh and turning everyone into a Borg (synthetic hybrid, perfection, green glow) is the best solution ever.

Oh and robots are evil so we should kill them all. Especially the sexy ones who walk around with a ******.

No it poses such questions that you can agree or disagree with. That's why Shepard can act and react to these things in multiple ways.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

sth128 wrote...
The thesis of Mass Effect is that the end justifies the means, galactic genocide is okay if you think of yourself as a cleansing fire, oh and turning everyone into a Borg (synthetic hybrid, perfection, green glow) is the best solution ever.

Its all fine as long as it was a result of "thee Difficult Decision"
Apparently 

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Here's a simple analogy for what GlowBoy says:
Reapers = flamethrower.

The Galaxy and GlowBoy get along for 50k years just fine.
One day, however, GlowBoy wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.

He walks over to his gun locker, takes out the Reapers/Flamethrower, and then walks up to you.

You look at him curiously, wondering what's wrong. He smiles an evil smile and lights you up with the flamethrower for no reason other than "I'm saving you from the possibility of suicide."

Sure, the Reapers are just poor tools. (I only say poor tools because it removes their awesomness story-wise) However, GlowBoy still uses them to kill. He's in conflict with us.

[Forbry]

adneate wrote...

Forbry wrote...
Bahhh, you're just being sooooooooooooo negative... Read the appropiate posts at this forum with an open-mind and the thesis will reveal itself to you eventually

I have and I've shot every single one of them down there is no thesis and everyone who says there is either won't explain it (like now) or wrote a fan fic and is trying to pass it off as the truth.

No, that's where you're wrong. It has already been explained many, many times, but you just do not want to see it that way...

[adneate]

Forbry wrote...
Why don't you just feel really surprised, feel enlightened, feel Bioware has done a rather great, crediting way in fooling you? 

There are two types of twist endings, one you couldn't see coming but are actually layerd into the story and reveal themselves upon subsequent review and pulling a twist out of your ass that isn't foreshadowed or alluded to in any capacity.

The Reapers being mindless automatons lead by a rogue AI program that is killing everyone to save them is the ass pull kind of twist. The ass pull being the bane of modern storytelling as it is criminally used by every hack writer and director in every medium. It's one thing to be tricked it's another to be out right lied to to.

[Tirranek]

Has anyone every had war declared on them BY fire itself?

Plus I might be misremembering but isn't the Catalyst talking about the nature of the Reapers doing their reapin' thing, rather than explaining why they're doing it. The cause is him, he's holding the torch (if you like), the Reapers themselves are just a force.

[Dougy Fresh]

The catalyst started the fire however.... Boom roasted.

[Naugi]

sth128 wrote...

Or is it simply doing what it was created to do?

So if I set fire to your house, it's not war, it's not conflict. It is simply doing what it was created to do.

When bombs exploded over London in WW2, it was not war, it was not conflict. The bombs were simply doing what they were created to do.



^ Not war (from Catalyst's view).

Natural fire has no mind. Natural fire does not select to burn some but not others. Natural fire does not choose to come back at specific times. Likening the Reapers to fire is a depravity that distorts the very fabric of ethical meaning.

What is the difference between the cultural and ethnic genocide wiping out the entire galaxy and the cultural and ethnic genocide going on in parts of the world? Can we also justify away those killings as "cleansing fire restoring the balance"?

But fire does do what it was created to do. So do bombs.

You need to be clear, are you talking about the tool (fire, bomb) or the person who started the fire / dropped the bomb. I think you are confusing the two as being the same.

[sth128]

Forbry wrote...

Let's say I agree with what you're saying in all its facets. What's wrong with finding out everything turns out to be completely different then you thought its was. Why are you so angry and/or frustrated about that? Why don't you just feel really surprised, feel enlightened, feel Bioware has done a rather great, crediting way in fooling you? 

I always feel refreshingly exhilarated when I fall victim to a deception.

Also,


Basic premise of Reapers / Synthesis

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Naugi wrote...
You need to be clear, are you talking about the tool (fire, bomb) or the person who started the fire / dropped the bomb. I think you are confusing the two as being the same.

Kind of moot argument since we never experienced living thinking talking bombs.

[The Angry One]

Forbry wrote...

Let's say I agree with what you're saying in all its facets. What's wrong with finding out everything turns out to be completely different then you thought its was. Why are you so angry and/or frustrated about that? Why don't you just feel really surprised, feel enlightened, feel Bioware has done a rather great, crediting way in fooling you? 

There's a reason nobody takes M. Night Shyamalan seriously anymore, and this is why.
Twists for twists' sake are boring and futile. BioWare have done nothing clever, they've just compromised their own work.

[d-boy15]

Forbry wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

come on, it's just writer try to push you in to their favor choice "synthesis".

they tell us about how evil reaper is throughout trilogy and then in last 20 minutes they just
tell us that "well, reaper not really a bad guy, just want to save you"

what the hell? you got at least 60 hours to tell us about that bot no, instead you shove it to
our face in the reward moment. It's like someone just spark an idea about synthesis in the
last minutes and want it to be in game too much even it's destroy all thing that make reaper
a great antagonist.

Let's say I agree with what you're saying in all its facets. What's wrong with finding out everything turns out to be completely different then you thought its was. Why are you so angry and/or frustrated about that? Why don't you just feel really surprised, feel enlightened, feel Bioware has done a rather great, crediting way in fooling you? 

"What's wrong with finding out everything turns out to be completely different then you thought its was?"

there nothing wrong with it but for ME3 ending, it's something different.

it's like I'm a soldier, get an order to kill the terrorist before they can blow something. after all I've
been through, lost my friend, fail to stop him from kill people and when the moment where I'm gonna
put the bullet to his head, he just say "I do it all, to save everyone". do I suppose to let him live then?
or help him instead? because that what's bioware expect me to do.

back to what your ask how I feel, I feel that bioware is not the great story teller anymore.

Modifié par d-boy15, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[survivor_686]

I wonder if fire goes after one individual purposefully. I wonder if it spends times on only one particular species.

Yeah Starbrat is full of sh*t.

[Ticonderoga117]

sth128 wrote...
*MtRushmore snip*

Actually, it's more like this:


Not only does the "preserved" culture move as one, but it will kick your butt ten ways to Tuesday.