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[Lord Grimnar_AzurieL]

from what i heard about the filter i was under the impression that the filter was compulsory for the ISP. but you can ring the ISP and get them to remov the filter from your line... so long as you dont care that they know ur doing something dodgy.



another classic example of Aussie pollies total destroying the aus gamer/net surfers ability to get on to mature stuff..... NO r rated games... most ma+15 games are edited for our shores and now this... comeon when will you give us a break

[falranth]

Orogun01 wrote...

falranth wrote...

I think emerging technologies are more capable of controlling and/or releasing urges than writing weird books. Unlike visual film and images, fiction is the medium of the imagination and actively fuels your fantasies--otherwise it wouldn't work.

I see the sarcasm of my comment was lost on you, my point is that what you think may control their urges may in fact encourage them to fulfill them. But this is steering the thread off point so I suggest we end this here.

...yeah, the sarcasm was lost on me. Sorry.

In general I try to have a bit of compassion for pedophiles who haven't done anything, at least. Child molestation is the crime (rightfully so), but pedophilia is a condition and they don't really get a lot of help for it--not forgetting that its so stigmatized that they're too afraid to come out for what help there is. Considering that it may even be genetic, we should be more open to assisting them. That includes utilizing emerging technology, but yeah, we should probably research its effect--tho much like how there's no causal link between violent video games and violent crime, I don't there's one for pornography.

I don't think it's terribly off-topic, considering the filter would block child porn. You have to wonder if it's just photography they're blocking, or drawn/3d stuff as well.

[falranth]

Lord Grimnar_AzurieL wrote...

from what i heard about the filter i was under the impression that the filter was compulsory for the ISP. but you can ring the ISP and get them to remov the filter from your line... so long as you dont care that they know ur doing something dodgy.

another classic example of Aussie pollies total destroying the aus gamer/net surfers ability to get on to mature stuff..... NO r rated games... most ma+15 games are edited for our shores and now this... comeon when will you give us a break

For games, it's all South Australia's attorney-general Michael Atkinson, right? I know the parliament is consulting the public on the issue, but he seems to be the obstacle, and it seems like he's not going to budge...

[Mordaedil]

To be honest, I'd rather they put up a filter on those things than arrest someone who accidentally got linked there via more unsavory types online.

[Orogun01]

Monstruo696 wrote...

Look, no offense, and I'm not defending pedos here, but you're using technology to release your urges yourself.

They may not be as "questionable" (lol, murdering people vs. underage sex) but you play games yourself.  For what? Killing people? Feeling superior? Leading armies? Driving wrecklessly?

Don't try to justify it on how taboo x is against y, it's still the same concept.

It's not the same, because I don't have a biological need to kill. If I indeed did eventually games wouldn't be enough and all those fantasies of me butchering somebody would become plans to actually do the evil deed. Like a pill that just keep the disease checked, eventually you develop a tolerance and you switch to a stronger med on a pedophile case that med just happens to be a kid.

[Rheannan]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

From my point of view, it would likely not work perfectly and end up blocking ok websites.

Possibly. The government started some ISPs on a trial quite some time ago. Certain ISPs refused to take part in the trial. However, I suppose if the government says it's to be introduced to all ISPs, they probably won't have much say in it.

At first, there was a lot of speculation that internet speeds would be considerably slowed down by the filter. In today's paper, they're now saying that it probably won't affect internet speeds noticeably. However, the same article also seemingly praised the filter for keeping the type of material that will be blocked (violent material) away from children. That would be somewhat misleading for parents, I'd assume, since the filter won't be blocking everything else.

The best filter is good parenting. It doesn't matter what the government introduces through ISPs, if parents let their kids use a computer with internet access unsupervised, then there can potentially be problems.

Modifié par Rheannan, 16 décembre 2009 - 05:57 .

[Monstruo696]

Orogun01 wrote...

It's not the same, because I don't have a biological need to kill.

[sarcasm]

Yes, because every human being knows themselves best.

[/sarcasm]

Don't make me laugh.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

The fact that it's mandatory is one of the most stupidest things I have ever heard.
Once again the Australian government has done another EPIC FAIL. 
I don't trust those sort of filters, they usually end up blocking perfectly safe sites as well.

[mrofni]

I fully disapprove of a filter. Freedom of speech, and in direct relation freedom of belief/religion, is what has allowed the world to become as prosperous as it is. Without it, we'd be back in the dark ages and have tyrants. If a government is wanting to control what you can and cannot see, you have to be incredibly weary. Even if they have good intentions, there is no guarantee the next generation of the government will. From a governmental perspective, serfs are good. Oppose any restriction to freedom of speech, because it will only lead to a restriction of knowledge and all freedom.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Ahh, this is old news here. I feel like we live in a dictatorship when we don't. Australian government has a stupid view on the internet and apparently no one has told them stuff like this is really dumb. Anyway, smart people can bypass these filters and sell children anyway. 
 

Don't worry Lucy. This going to be like a hi tech prohibition era. Get in touch with me, we can think about getting cheap uncensored games and stuff from New Zealand. I'm making an offer you can't refuse Lucy.

Edit: Also this is the land of the show, underbelly I am surprised.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 16 décembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[Monstruo696]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Ahh, this is old news here. I feel like we live in a dictatorship when we don't. Australian government has a stupid view on the internet and apparently no one has told them stuff like this is really dumb. Anyway, smart people can bypass these filters and sell children anyway. 
 

Don't worry Lucy. This going to be like a hi tech prohibition era. Get in touch with me, we can think about getting cheap uncensored games and stuff from New Zealand. I'm making an offer you can't refuse Lucy.

Edit: Also this is the land of the show, underbelly I am surprised.

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