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[Valvor]

Alright so i played BG1, got very far in it but never completed  it. Anyways i have tested out many classes, and done many runs, here are my questions your help is MUCH needed.

-First off i hear you miss loads of content, if you don't play through with  a party and instead solo, thing is i hate playing with a party, and i could care less about interactions, but can someone convince me thats its not so bad even for your first playthrough (Even though i like it a lot more then playing with a party, i keep getting that feeling im missing out) So has anyone else ever soloed first run.

Now, i am doing a pure kensai, idc about duel classing to a mage for Ac boost, i hear there are a few items that will up my ac to make up for it.

class. Orc
Kensai Pure
Two weapon style - i have two into this
Katanas - Three into this.

My main question is how the **** am i supposed to go about killing trolls in a solo? i don't know were to get fire or acid, and since i have no mage... am i fked? are there any katanas with elemental damage? is there any way to get around this issue. I really need advice.

Anyways i am playing on core rules do you think katanas were a good choice for dps, i hear a lot about flails, but i just dont dig em. I love to solo, i hate parties i think even though it tis the heart of bg2, i would rather solo anyone else feel this way.

Thanks. Exuse my stupid post... but i had to let it all out

[corey_russell]

Since a troll doesn't fight back once you get it to near death, you can use any weapon to finish it. Therefore, I would probably use the long sword of flame, which you can get fairly early from Bernard once you free Hendak at the Copper Coronet. Kensais can use that weapon. You could also use Stonefire (obtained from the same merchant) or Frostweaver to do the job.

EDIT: You can also use firebreath potions, though they are in a limited supply.

Modifié par corey_russell, 02 juillet 2012 - 06:41 .

[Valvor]

Cmon are there any enchanted fire katanas i pray they are, but u said u can finish it with just any katana once they are down?

[Grond0]

Any weapon that does fire or acid damage will do. Once the trolls are on the floor you get an automatic hit on them so it makes no difference whether you are proficient in the weapon or not. Ribald also sells a ring that does a mini-aganazzar's scorcher if you want a non-weapon alternative.

[Valvor]

Dam trolls...sucks i have to use fire..well anyways can't wait to get the ring of human influence...i hear about... but i have no idea were it is anyone know? and what is a good Bg2 website for resources.. only one i know is BG planet... but idc much for it.

I want a good website, with maps and layouts were items are.

Modifié par Valvor, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:40 .

[morbidest2]

There is only one "special" katana in SoA, and its fire effect only works a % of the time. But you will be killed by trolls long before you get to it. Corey_R mentionned three elemental damage weapons you can get early in the game to finish off a troll once your katanas have knocked it out. You don't need to spend ability points to become skilled in its use. Just carry it around it like a beer can opener and use it to give troll dead strokes. Being a "sword saint" is tough to begin with. being a solo run kensai is something most people would only try after having successfully completed BG2 a number of times.
Expect to suffer, and reload,reload, reload...

[morbidest2]

Valvor wrote...

Dam trolls...sucks i have to use fire..well anyways can't wait to get the ring of human influence...i hear about... but i have no idea were it is anyone know? and what is a good Bg2 website for resources.. only one i know is BG planet... but idc much for it.

I want a good website, with maps and layouts were items are.

Try googling BG2 walkthrough. You'll find a number of them and can pick the one you like most. Some people prefer Dan Walker"s.
You'll find the ring of human influence in the Circus adventure in the Promenade. Since "charm" is only a 1st level spell it's not going to do you much good in BG2
There are more good (+3,+4) long swords in BG2 than katanas (one +3).
This is not the type of game where you find one super weapon or magic device and all your problems go away.

[Valvor]

Are katanas faster then longswords? its like i heard so many good things about kensai using katanas....now i hear longswords are better gahhh

Btw were can i find some early on good armor for a kensai, well robes.. i got me a ring of protection from a drop +1ac 
Some girdle +5 against peircing, and ring of human influence, i done the circus quest, i taken a lot of damage, but i really abuse the rest feature haha, its like free potions, well time has no consoquences i think. Had to use oil of speed. draw upon holy might, and kai. Darn wish i realized that str pots are useless because they dont stack with draw upon holy might. to bad they don't add extra str.

Hmm i seen a amulet of ac +1 and +1 saving throws for like 4k is it worth getting early on? i have 7k it was in adventures mart.

EDIT
Almost forgot, what do you think i should use and is better?

Modifié par Valvor, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .

[Grimwald the Wise]

Have no experience with kensai or katanas, but as far as protection is concerned, if you have the BG1 NPC Project installed, there are some nice bracers in Nashkel if you are prepared to look for them.


Sorry wrong forum, ignore the above for BG2 but it is still applicable for BG1.

However in BG2 there are good bracers at the Adventurers Mart in Waukeen's Promenade. In my installation there are AC3 and AC4 which is a good starting point before adding other items to up it further.

I think that there is also a travelling cloak there. Not sure about that though. Good thing about that is that it doesn't just add to AC. Only improves it by 1, but it gives other protections as well, so that IMO it is better than a Cloak of Protection +2.

Use strength potions then DUHM, not the other way round.

Modifié par Grimwald the Wise, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:01 .

[Valvor]

Guys am i so weird that i enjoy playing solo so much more then playing with a party my first time through??

I mean idk what it is... i just i love dialogue and interactions sure, but its just something about focusing on one character, and how easily manageable it is. I wish there was a game like this that was meant for one...player lol, and not diablo.

Anyways tell me is what i am missing out on with having a party truely the core experience? or can you still get the main effect of satisfaction from playing solo. Because i never made it...past.. the circus tent with a party i would never know. I just find it so annoying...having a group, always getting in each others way n sht. Sadly i would never be able to tell if i am actually in a challenge, say i killed a dragon solo, first time through game... i would not know if that was a grand accomplishment, because i never beat it with a party. Anyways i do feel guilty not having a group, but yet i can't stand one.

[Shadow_Leech07]

Valvor wrote...

Are katanas faster then longswords? its like i heard so many good things about kensai using katanas....now i hear longswords are better gahhh

Btw were can i find some early on good armor for a kensai, well robes.. i got me a ring of protection from a drop +1ac 
Some girdle +5 against peircing, and ring of human influence, i done the circus quest, i taken a lot of damage, but i really abuse the rest feature haha, its like free potions, well time has no consoquences i think. Had to use oil of speed. draw upon holy might, and kai. Darn wish i realized that str pots are useless because they dont stack with draw upon holy might. to bad they don't add extra str.

Hmm i seen a amulet of ac +1 and +1 saving throws for like 4k is it worth getting early on? i have 7k it was in adventures mart.

EDIT
Almost forgot, what do you think i should use and is better?

The only good 'armor' for the kensai in the early game is the short sword which grants one charge of mirror image every day.  Go down to the Government District and talk to a young boy named Delon around the center of the map and he will tell you about his town who is suffering from a mysterious force. Prepare and buy potions of freedom and then head on over. At the last house you should talk to the man outside a house, and then enter to talk to a wizard inside. He will give you a quest which after done will get you the sword. Kensais don't really get good armor class but you can pick up items that can help temporarily in tough fights. I wouldn't recommend it for a newcomer to the game but it can be done if you really wanted.

Ring of protections, and amulets of protections don't stack but certain items can stack AC. The sewers cloak and a ring of protection will stack for example.

Strength potions can be stacked with DUHM in a unmodded game, however you need to drink the potion first and then use DUHM. Hope that helps. It's been awhile since I've played the game so my memory could be off a little.

[Grimwald the Wise]

Bg2 tweaks enables you to wear multiple protection items if you so desire.

[Son of Imoen]

Valvor wrote...
I want a good website, with maps and layouts were items are.

You might like Baldur's Gate 2 Online Walkthrough by Montresor on Sorcerer's Place. Check out the index for much more useful info on Baldur's Gate.

[The Potty 1]

Soloing a pure Kensai is a world of hurt. Kensais cannot wear either armour or bracers, so don't blow the cash on those. Most power builds for Kensais involve dual-classing to either a thief or a mage, to improve your damage resistance.

In terms of class strength dualling is brilliant. In terms of roleplaying I think it's complete garbage, but personally I don't really care. It is a bit hard to justify a dedicated sword saint deciding to throw it all away to reskill as a common thief? It's not much easier to reject your complete synergy with your weapon, so you can learn magic missile. A life-changing event is required here. Of course, you shouldn't be short of near-death experiences, so maybe it's not that hard.

What are your stats? Higher dexterity improves your armor class, higher constitution increases hit points, both will help you hugely. Higher strength improves damage and chance to hit, also nice. Charisma lowers costs of gear (but there's the ring so this is often a dump stat), intelligence & wisdom are pretty worthless for fighters, although really low values may drop your saving throws. Also there are some monsters that drain your INT by 5 per hit, and zero in a stat is instant death.

The katana (celestial fury) is extremely cool, but quite tough to get, and won't seem so good by the end of ToB. It is even better if you dual to thief. If you have to play this class without dualling, I suggest installing the Acid Kensai from the tactics mod. He will attack you as soon as you have celestial fury. Beating him will be super tough, but the weapon dropped is insanely overpowered, and should make the rest of the game much easier.

A final point, the main reason to play a kensai is to put 5 * in your chosen weapon. Preferably while having true grand mastery from the BG2 Tweaks mod installed. You do occasionally have to switch to other weapons, to do fire damage to trolls, blunt damage to golems, etc, but your THACO is good enough to do this without any proficiency if required.

EDIT If you want to change stats, download shadowkeeper and edit your savegame. Can I suggest STR 20 DEX 24 CON 24 INT 16 WIS 12 CHA 18. I don't think anyone would begrudge you this cheat.

Modifié par The Potty 1, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:15 .

[morbidest2]

Valvor wrote...



Anyways tell me is what i am missing out on with having a party truely the core experience? or can you still get the main effect of satisfaction from playing solo. Because i never made it...past.. the circus tent with a party i would never know. I just find it so annoying...having a group, always getting in each others way n sht. Sadly i would never be able to tell if i am actually in a challenge, say i killed a dragon solo, first time through game... i would not know if that was a grand accomplishment, because i never beat it with a party. Anyways i do feel guilty not having a group, but yet i can't stand one.

Your basic problem is that BG2 was designed to be played using melee fighting, thief skills, arcane magic, druidic magic, and clerical magic. And as the game goes on, magic becomes more important than muscle. Of these five abilitiies, you have limited yourself to only melee fighting and picked a class which has the poorest armor protection. It's not a ninja movie!
As you know from BG1, the best solution to "a group, always getting in each others way" is the Pause "button". As a fight progresses you can readjust as many times as you want.
If you survive long enough to get 3,000,000 XP, you will start getting Higher Level Abilities, which will help a little bit.
In the meantime, save your gold to buy health potions and to pay temples to heal you when you are vampire drained. Once you leave the kindergarden areas, you will not always be allowed to Rest in combat zones without being attacked before you are healed, and level drains are not cured by rest.

[The Potty 1]

A small amount of getting in your way works as well as having great AC

What I mean is, get a meatshield to walk around in front of you, and use shadowkeeper to change your weapon specialisation to a two-handed weapon. Typically this means 2-handed swords, although I'm currently playing a Kensai 9>Mage with 5* in halberds.

A small group is a perfectly viable compromise between soloing and 5 idiots getting under your feet. Jaheira, Anomen, Keldorn, Korgan, Mazzy, even Minsc or Valygar will do nicely as your tank, and Jan, Nalia or later Imoen could hang back with you and handle both traps and spellcasting.

[Valvor]

So really now, does anyone think playing your first time through solo will ruin the experience? though i seem i am enjoying it so far, tell me just how much on a scale 1-10 of fun factor is being removed?

I seem to always start over once i start a party, i hate it then go solo it just seems more manageable and easier.

[The Potty 1]

Whatever floats your boat really. If you're only here for the tactical challenge then you're not missing a thing. If you're here for the interactions and romances ... well I've never seen the appeal of them myself either.

So how far have you got in the game, what's the toughest enemy you've faced with any of your groups? Were these druid or d'Arnise trolls? If you're managing to solo a pure Kensai then .. can I have some tips

[morbidest2]

Valvor wrote...

So really now, does anyone think playing your first time through solo will ruin the experience? though i seem i am enjoying it so far, tell me just how much on a scale 1-10 of fun factor is being removed?

I seem to always start over once i start a party, i hate it then go solo it just seems more manageable and easier.

Isn't that a factor of how much you enjoy reloading over and over again?
You stated that you never made it all the way through BG1, where pure muscle is more important than in BG2. Your PC is a rather fragile type of fighter who normally depends on clerical help from his party to survive.
Your strategy seems to be to use one or more walkthrus to plan out each little encounter in detail. How does taking out all the surprise and adrenalin out of playing the game make it "fun"? Keep in mind that walkthrus rarely give you the optimum strategy.
In general, people try solo runs or no-load runs in BG2 after they have played the game dozens of times, know exactly where all the problems are, and are deliberately trying to handicap themselves.

BUT, if this forum had a motto it would be: "it's your game , play it however you want."

The only suggestion I can make is that you might try making your PC  a dwarf or half-orc F/C. That way you can start with good armor, but still have 2 of the 5 skill sets that you need. And play on EASY - monsters do only half damage. And remember that the Space-bar is your best friend. And "write if you get work, and remember to hang by your thumbs."

[Matuse]

So really now, does anyone think playing your first time through solo will ruin the experience? though i seem i am enjoying it so far, tell me just how much on a scale 1-10 of fun factor is being removed?

It won't ruin the experience, but you'll probably find a lot of it very frustrating. Fighting against mages will test your patience in ways you cannot imagine right now. You are also a LOT more vulnerable to game overs when you are alone. A single failed save against a charm spell (a major problem when facing vampires) means a save reload.

I don't recommend going solo until you've beaten the game at least once, and I definitely don't recommend as fragile and one dimensional a character as a kensai until you've beaten the game several times.

I've never had any problem running party members in BG. Turn off party AI, and they will only ever do what you tell them to do. Combined with judicious use of the spacebar, and keeping your party functional is really pretty easy.

[saros_shadow_follower]

If you don't like carrying a weapon that deals elemental damage (although you're not proficient with it), then there is a second alternative - there is a genie in Trademeet (near a tent) that has a special flask. That flask can summon an efreeti to fight by your side once per day. That efreeti can cast some acid and fire damaging spells. However, very few.

The best weapons for a solo warrior in the vanilla game are axes, warhammers and flails. For a solo kensai, don't expect to survive long without at least ** in Flails. Install the True Grandmastery tweak from the Ease of use components, this will grant you extra attack when you obtain 5 stars in any weapon skill. If you intend to solo the game with that kensai, best invest pips in Axes and Flails. Katanas are stupid. There is only one +4 katana late-game, and it's not very amazing either, although it's good as an off-hand weapon. But then again, you don't need any stars in katanas to use Hindo's Doom +4 effectively in off-hand. It grants Death Ward while equipped and casts Greater Restoration once per day. Celestial Fury is lame.

The Flail of Ages is the best weapon for killing any troll, and not only that - it's one of the best weapons in the entire SoA.

Axes: There are two very good early-game throwing axes. I recommend the Rifthome Axe +3. It deals an enormous amount of damage. With a throwing axe, your Kensai can apply the hit-and-run tactic, and the damage dealt by a throwing axe in the hands of a capable kensai is enormous.