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[Forbry]

KingNothing125 wrote...

BioWare desperately wants us to choose Synthesis.

Before EC, the game was jam-packed with religious alusions, topped off by the light shining down on Shep as he ascended on the magic elevator, his Christ-like sacrifice, and Joker and EDI fulfilling their ultimate Adam and Eve roles on Gilligan's Planet (aka the Garden of Eden). How "deep" and "soulful".

After EC, the Synthesis ending is jam-packed with over-the-top happy ending-ness. Everyone (except Shep) is alive, everyone is perfect and possibly immortal, everyone is friends with everyone else. The Reapers share the knowledge and wisdom of previously-reaped civilizations from throughout galactic history. Good grief. All we're missing is rainbows and lollipops and kittens having babies with puppies.

Maybe in the next DLC

[Xilizhra]

clennon8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I keep thinking of that scene in The Matrix, where Mr. Smith is talking
to Morpheus about how they had to scrap their first version of the
matrix. They made it too utopian, you see, and people started freaking
out because they wouldn't accept it. That's how many people feel about
Synthesis. We. just. don't. believe. it.

You people are depressing.

*shrug*

Even if it weren't so overtly silly and green, I still wouldn't choose it.  Mass violation and all that.

I believe that it doesn't matter if I do something; what's important is if something happens. If I just let everyone die instead of killing them all, I may not be as dangerous to others actively as the one who killed them all, but the outcome is just as bad and I must abhor my inaction as much as I do the Reapers' actions. Hence, Refusal is never an option.
As for the others, Destroy is also a mass violation, and Control is... well, it has the fewest moral issues, but the Catalyst itself went down the path of trying to keep everything intact through normal means before resorting to the Reapers. It strikes me as too risky to be ideal. In addition to the fact that Synthesis is basically my own dream for life come true.

[Forbry]

clennon8 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

In the leaked script, Synthesis was referred to as the "perfect" ending. It's their baby. I think they thought we'd love it. We don't.

I keep thinking of that scene in The Matrix, where Mr. Smith is talking to Morpheus about how they had to scrap their first version of the matrix. They made it too utopian, you see, and people started freaking out because they wouldn't accept it. That's how many people feel about Synthesis. We. just. don't. believe. it.

Wait... wait... wait for it:





















I do.

Yes, yes.  No need to be quite so literal.

That vast majority of people don't like it.  Better?

Wait, wait, wait for it:













Yes, better!

[clennon8]

Not going to get into with you, Xili. I already know that I can point out false equivalence fallacies and bat down straw men all day long, and still never get anywhere. Pick Synthesis all you want. I can't stop you, obviously.

[Forbry]

LOL, no actually... the vast majority on this forum!

[CrazyRah]

Bioware is all for synthesis :<

[Xilizhra]

clennon8 wrote...

Not going to get into with you, Xili. I already know that I can point out false equivalence fallacies and bat down straw men all day long, and still never get anywhere. Pick Synthesis all you want. I can't stop you, obviously.

Indeed not. Nor can you try to force your dreams of it just being a Reaper trick into the game itself when such is never demonstrated.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

In the leaked script, Synthesis was referred to as the "perfect" ending. It's their baby. I think they thought we'd love it. We don't.

I keep thinking of that scene in The Matrix, where Mr. Smith is talking to Morpheus about how they had to scrap their first version of the matrix. They made it too utopian, you see, and people started freaking out because they wouldn't accept it. That's how many people feel about Synthesis. We. just. don't. believe. it.

Wait... wait... wait for it:





















I do.

Yes, yes.  No need to be quite so literal.

That vast majority of people don't like it.  Better?

Wait, wait, wait for it:













Yes, better!

I shouldn't but I find them posts amusing

[crimzontearz]

no....they still didn't give us a goddamn reunion if anything that ending got shortchanged.

[clennon8]

Xilizhra wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Not going to get into with you, Xili. I already know that I can point out false equivalence fallacies and bat down straw men all day long, and still never get anywhere. Pick Synthesis all you want. I can't stop you, obviously.

Indeed not. Nor can you try to force your dreams of it just being a Reaper trick into the game itself when such is never demonstrated.

Umm... bokay.  I'll let you have that one too.

[Forbry]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

In the leaked script, Synthesis was referred to as the "perfect" ending. It's their baby. I think they thought we'd love it. We don't.

I keep thinking of that scene in The Matrix, where Mr. Smith is talking to Morpheus about how they had to scrap their first version of the matrix. They made it too utopian, you see, and people started freaking out because they wouldn't accept it. That's how many people feel about Synthesis. We. just. don't. believe. it.

Wait... wait... wait for it:

I do.

Do you take it at face value? Do you think people would happily accept being imposed such a change?



And how much suspense of disbelief do you have?

Sorry, will not get into that anymore. Already done that too often. Useless and (after a while) tiring it has shown to be...

[Billyg3453]

Forbry wrote...

LOL, no actually... the vast majority on this forum!

Wrong. More people pick destroy off the forum porportionally then do here.

But nice try!

[Alushadow]

TimeforTravel wrote...

I've been playing the extended cut and watched some Youtube videos about the other endings. As soon as Shepard enters the catalyst, it seems to be against choosing the destroy option. The catalyst is very positive about the other two options. That is because the Reapers will survive. But it warns about the destroy option ("Others will be destroyed as well"). The Crucible is against it.

Also, I think if Shepard has got a high EMS, the Crucible gets worried, Shepard is so intend on destroying the Reapers that he brought half the galaxy with him. So the Crucible presents Shepard with a third option. An option where life is basically 'heaven on earth'. Very positive sounding, but the reapers survive and Shepard doesn't.

I think when choosing destroy, you survive the last trial Shepard faces: the Reapers manipulating Shepard to NOT destroy them. When choosing for destroying the Reapers, Shepard survives. I really feel Destroy is the real canon ending. Maybe there even will be a Mass Effect 4 following after the events of the Destroy ending.
 
I think there were more hints at destroy being the only 'right' option but I forgot some of them. Thoughts?

look pal the ending is simply 4 options
you die and become an **** no matter what you choose

destroy- good you have killed the reapers and you are now a mass murder you have committed genocide upon your allies the geth and killed EDI leaving joker to die alone "you killed her!" ..."you bastard!!"

control - welcome to the demented brainwashing society you have just brainwashed two complete races you are an abomination and you will probably end up committing genocide yourself in around 10000 years or so
may the genocide you will commit be much quicker and easier then that of the god kid

synthesis - congratulation you abomination you have just forced everyone in the galaxy into becoming walking toasters you have also remove all diversity in the universe creating an utopia out of one race
"thumbs up" you have just destroyed everything that was special about life

refuse- you have made the right choice and told the deus ex machina "up urs" and by doing so told ME team you hate the ME3 original story but since you have chosen to "refuse" the artistic value of the bad written plot bioware have given you are sentenced to watch all your buddy's get murdered and butchers since you HAVE FAILED everyone dies

aaa mass effect 3 you can't really win this game

Modifié par Alushadow, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:51 .

[Forbry]

DinoSteve wrote...

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

In the leaked script, Synthesis was referred to as the "perfect" ending. It's their baby. I think they thought we'd love it. We don't.

I keep thinking of that scene in The Matrix, where Mr. Smith is talking to Morpheus about how they had to scrap their first version of the matrix. They made it too utopian, you see, and people started freaking out because they wouldn't accept it. That's how many people feel about Synthesis. We. just. don't. believe. it.

Wait... wait... wait for it:





















I do.

Yes, yes.  No need to be quite so literal.

That vast majority of people don't like it.  Better?

Wait, wait, wait for it:













Yes, better!

I shouldn't but I find them posts amusing

Don't worry, I will not tell nor hold that against you

[Siansonea]

BioWare are Synthesis cheerleaders. Sex with girl robots and a complete rape of the galaxy's citizens' genetic code. What's not to like? /sarcasm.

[Forbry]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Forbry wrote...

LOL, no actually... the vast majority on this forum!

Wrong. More people pick destroy off the forum porportionally then do here.

But nice try!

Proof?

Modifié par Forbry, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:54 .

[dreamgazer]

I think they like what they did with presenting synthesis as an option, and the fact that it hinges on having the more thorough game (the more completely-erected Crucible). But I don't think they consider it the best choice. If there's a source stating they find it the best, outside of an off-the-cuff personal opinion, I'd like to see it.

Whether Destroy is their intended choice? Eh, who knows at this point. I wonder if the DLC will add context to that argument.

[Xilizhra]

Siansonea II wrote...

BioWare are Synthesis cheerleaders. Sex with girl robots and a complete rape of the galaxy's citizens' genetic code. What's not to like? /sarcasm.

You say that like genetic code is a sapient being that can be harmed. And the people of the galaxy certainly don't look like they've been harmed themselves.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

agu123 wrote...

Do not be afraid. Synthesis is peace. Synthesis is salvation.

zombification is peace?
hell didnt the protheans fall because a lack of diversity?

Hell i could remember when mass effect valued diversity...
So long ago...

[Xilizhra]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Do not be afraid. Synthesis is peace. Synthesis is salvation.

zombification is peace?
hell didnt the protheans fall because a lack of diversity?

Hell i could remember when mass effect valued diversity...
So long ago...

Oh, diversity will remain, but conflict because of diversity can lessen.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

BioWare are Synthesis cheerleaders. Sex with girl robots and a complete rape of the galaxy's citizens' genetic code. What's not to like? /sarcasm.

You say that like genetic code is a sapient being that can be harmed. And the people of the galaxy certainly don't look like they've been harmed themselves.

ASK THE ELEVENTH DOCTOR ABOUT WHAT SYNTHESIS FEELS LIKE

[Alushadow]

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

BioWare are Synthesis cheerleaders. Sex with girl robots and a complete rape of the galaxy's citizens' genetic code. What's not to like? /sarcasm.

You say that like genetic code is a sapient being that can be harmed. And the people of the galaxy certainly don't look like they've been harmed themselves.

i am sorry i do not recall someone asking me if i agreed to become robocop
that's just wrong thinking
to say "it cannot be forced" yet to force it 2 seconds later

Modifié par Alushadow, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Xilizhra wrote...

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Do not be afraid. Synthesis is peace. Synthesis is salvation.

zombification is peace?
hell didnt the protheans fall because a lack of diversity?

Hell i could remember when mass effect valued diversity...
So long ago...

Oh, diversity will remain, but conflict because of diversity can lessen.

Wrong. Starkid says everyone will be the same DNA 
So no diversity
just incest and mutations because of incest

So when Joker bangs EDI he is basically banging his sister
HOORAY

Modifié par Biotic Flash Kick, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .

[Xilizhra]

Alushadow wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

BioWare are Synthesis cheerleaders. Sex with girl robots and a complete rape of the galaxy's citizens' genetic code. What's not to like? /sarcasm.

You say that like genetic code is a sapient being that can be harmed. And the people of the galaxy certainly don't look like they've been harmed themselves.

i am sorry i do not recall someone asking me if i agreed to become robocop
that's just wrong thinking
to say "it cannot be forced" yet to force it 2 seconds later

It couldn't be forced until they had the right person to do so, I think, as Shepard is a required component for Synthesis by virtue of being a combination of organic and synthetic.