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Does Bioware "want" us to choose "Destroy"?


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Mass effect from the beggining. Has had plot resembling swiss cheese with space magic coming out of it's derrier. People are just butthurt because the ending wasn't to their taste. Funny these are the same people that say political correctness is bs and then a game comes along that refuses to categorize itself with traditional human morality and everyone goes up in flames. Honestly I hate the majority of the Mass Effect community alot more than i ever did bioware at this point. You are pretty much telling companies to keep producing pandering rubbish that is completeley boring because it spends all it's time trying to make sure it can always "explain itself".

I can already see the funding for mass effect 4 being shoveled into Madden pro nitro 2012 champion edition. And it will be youre fault.

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Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Synthesis. They don't care.

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clennon8 wrote...

Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Synthesis. They don't care.

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?

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clennon8 wrote...

Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Synthesis. They don't care.

LOL

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Krunjar wrote...

Mass effect from the beggining. Has had plot resembling swiss cheese with space magic coming out of it's derrier. People are just butthurt because the ending wasn't to their taste. Funny these are the same people that say political correctness is bs and then a game comes along that refuses to categorize itself with traditional human morality and everyone goes up in flames. Honestly I hate the majority of the Mass Effect community alot more than i ever did bioware at this point. You are pretty much telling companies to keep producing pandering rubbish that is completeley boring because it spends all it's time trying to make sure it can always "explain itself".

I can already see the funding for mass effect 4 being shoveled into Madden pro nitro 2012 champion edition. And it will be youre fault.

Yes, so true... I think I will join the cult of Krunjar. Is there one?

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Krunjar wrote...

Mass effect from the beggining. Has had plot resembling swiss cheese with space magic coming out of it's derrier. People are just butthurt because the ending wasn't to their taste. Funny these are the same people that say political correctness is bs and then a game comes along that refuses to categorize itself with traditional human morality and everyone goes up in flames. Honestly I hate the majority of the Mass Effect community alot more than i ever did bioware at this point. You are pretty much telling companies to keep producing pandering rubbish that is completeley boring because it spends all it's time trying to make sure it can always "explain itself".

I can already see the funding for mass effect 4 being shoveled into Madden pro nitro 2012 champion edition. And it will be youre fault.

Sorry for wanting a coherent plot.

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No but there soon will be. There will be Cookies AND Debauchery. Sometimes at the same time!

@Dinosteve. Well I thaught you got one. And browsing these forums im definateley not alone XD

Modifié par Krunjar, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:12 .


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Well, I do not háte the majority of the community, but I really think you have a point there, Krunjar!

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Xilizhra wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Synthesis. They don't care.

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Destroy ;)

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Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that does generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.

edit: wrong word edited.

Modifié par nhsknudsen, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:15 .


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Krunjar wrote...

No but there soon will be. There will be Cookies AND Debauchery. Sometimes at the same time!


I WANT COOKIES:O

and not that this hasn't been answered, but it would seem to me that synthesis is the option bioware wants to force down our throats, to some that be cool but no matter what i will not accept it.., just saying

that and if a game is made post me3 and synthesis is cannon f**k that sh*t i am not buying :D

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there is no right or wrong ending. just how you prefer to end it

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Forbry wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Synthesis. They don't care.

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Don't bother arguing morality or ethics with the Cult of Destroy ;)


+1  :wub:

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nhsknudsen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that doesn't generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.


as i have said before, krogan were a problem before, but immortal krogan thats like world war 5 ;)

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The problem with debating Synthesis is that pro-Synths want to start with the result and work their way backwards to justifying the path they took to get there. Cheating at solitaire, as I like to call it. Whereas the rest of us are trying to start with the decision point and work out the correct path forward using contextual information. Arguing is pointless when the two sides are coming at it from such different angles.

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'there is no right or wrong ending. just how you prefer to end it '

Agree 100%

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nhsknudsen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that does generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.

edit: wrong word edited.

False equivalencies and just plain falsehoods ahoy, cap'n. Really, I should probably just redirect everyone to Ieldra's Synthesis Compendium.

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ghost9191 wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that doesn't generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.


as i have said before, krogan were a problem before, but immortal krogan thats like world war 5 ;)

It wouldn't matter much anyway as they would only do what the hive mind tells them to do.

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Krunjar wrote...

'there is no right or wrong ending. just how you prefer to end it '

Agree 100%


Perhaps in the context of a videogame, but I would bet my ass that every UN member nation with a seat on the security council, with the possible exception of China, would argue for destroy. Luckily we don't have to rely on that as it would simply mean the fourth option :)

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clennon8 wrote...

The problem with debating Synthesis is that pro-Synths want to start with the result and work their way backwards to justifying the path they took to get there. Cheating at solitaire, as I like to call it. Whereas the rest of us are trying to start with the decision point and work out the correct path forward using contextual information. Arguing is pointless when the two sides are coming at it from such different angles.


I do not agree with that (surprise, surprise ;)) -and no, I do not going to explain why I don't agree- but I think in itself that is a very interesting thought/view. I will give you credit for that!

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Xilizhra wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that does generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.

edit: wrong word edited.

False equivalencies and just plain falsehoods ahoy, cap'n. Really, I should probably just redirect everyone to Ieldra's Synthesis Compendium.


yes because that is full of factual and not made up in any way data.

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Really, I should probably just redirect everyone to Ieldra's Synthesis Compendium.

That is the more appropriate place to have this discussion.

But I wont be following you there.  Everytime I visit that thread and start reading, I get very nervous and start backing out very, very quietly, for fear that someone may see me and turn me green for my own good.

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ghost9191 wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What are your morals based on if not on what's good for life?


Synthesis are for people who are addicted to their Iphone and can't put it away for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Synthesis is bad on every level of morality.

Performing genetic alterations/experiments on an entire galaxy without their consent. // Hello death camps.

Condemning all life to never evolve again. // No chance to evolve to face new natural enviromental changes // Very bad.

Supposed immortality? // Yap great, except that doesn't generates overpopulation and thus tension, conflict, war.

I fail to see how this is "good for life"?

Please explain.


as i have said before, krogan were a problem before, but immortal krogan thats like world war 5 ;)


LOL.... that would at least constitute some sort of problem ;)

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Xilizhra wrote...

False equivalencies and just plain falsehoods ahoy, cap'n. Really, I should probably just redirect everyone to Ieldra's Synthesis Compendium.


Because if you have written a compendium it must be right. I start to see how religions get started :)
There are so many unknowns in choosing synthesis that it can't be defended morally.

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Forbry wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

The problem with debating Synthesis is that pro-Synths want to start with the result and work their way backwards to justifying the path they took to get there. Cheating at solitaire, as I like to call it. Whereas the rest of us are trying to start with the decision point and work out the correct path forward using contextual information. Arguing is pointless when the two sides are coming at it from such different angles.


I do not agree with that (surprise, surprise ;)) -and no, I do not going to explain why I don't agree- but I think in itself that is a very interesting thought/view. I will give you credit for that!


well out of the 3 options, destroy has less risk. well i believe so, so it would be the right choice unless you know how it ends, even then i still believe destroy is right choice just saying that ppl might look past the risk behind synthesis because they know how it plays out. i mean you put alot on space magic. but again just me

but synthesis just seems too perfect and happy it is wrong. i could go into details on why i dislike it but i won't because that is not the reason of this thread. some may argue that this thread has no reason, but it does it does   something about which iending is cannon. i dont care it is same , comes down to which ending is better and ppl trying to convince others that their opinion is wrong.   which is funny considering ppl that go with synthesis says screw you to ppls opinions

rambling lol

Modifié par ghost9191, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:24 .