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[Reorte]

Heeden wrote...

The Destroy pulse attacks all technology - not just Synthetic life-forms - but the higher your EMS the more fine-tuned it is to Reapers. Given EDI's name appearing on the wall I'm guessing her and the Geth were close enough to the Reapers - or delicate enough devices - that they were "killed" by the blast.

EDI has Reaper hardware so her dying doesn't seem too implausible (as I've said before the chances of recovery are completely unknown). The geth are purely hardware so it certainly can't be delicate enough devices. We know that they can upload to quarian suits and the quarians seem OK, so the beam has to somehow target specific software to kill the geth. Which is Space Magic. Mind you, a quarian suit having enough processing power and memory to run a fully-functional self-aware AI seems a bit over the top but we don't know much about them. Perhaps most of them is still running on something else and they're just accessing the suit.

[DiebytheSword]

shadowkinz wrote...

I made similar arguments about this in a couple threads, but i also made the point that if shepard can be rebuilt with his mind intact, i am sure the same can happen with the geth. All this looking at the fact that hardware was not damaged

Shepard's brain was largely intact due to his/her helmet, according to the lab computer in Chronos Station, we simply cannot know if the same is true with the Geth or EDI.

[genocidal villain]

Firecell11 wrote...

Sorry if this has been already postet.

1. Geth are software. They can upload themselfs in any platform that has enough processing power
2. Same with EDI. Her robotic body was just a platform like those of the geth. She is still existing in the Normandy.
3.In the epilogue of destroy ending we see spaceships. You CANNOT fly a spaceship without computers.

So hardware and software are not destroyed. You're welcome to proof me wrong.

You say they are not destroyed, but you're wrong. As annoying "EDI and the Geth can be revived in the destroy ending" threads to justify themselves and believe they can be brought back they cannot. You said Geth can upload themselves into any platform so they can save themselves. The Geth are wiped out their bodies are just empty shells, and if you believe they can just make a copy how would the copy survive the destroy LAZER?

TL;DR the Geth are EXTINCT.

Heres another example, Legion. Legion "dies" either during Priority mission: Rannoch, during the suicide mission, sold to Cerberus, or was never activated yet he wasn't revived in ME3; he was replaced by a Geth V.I. and they are exactly the same, but it isn't Legion. It even tells Shepard it isn't Legion.

So you can't bring back the Geth or EDI or even Legion because they are dead. They can only be replaced.

[Krunjar]

Just as a side note. Dismissing things as "space magic" just because you aren't told exactly how they are done seems really inappropriate for sci-fi. I mean the whole series is awash with "space magic" from start to finish that's the POINT.

[Heeden]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Shepard's brain was largely intact due to his/her helmet, according to the lab computer in Chronos Station, we simply cannot know if the same is true with the Geth or EDI.

"Shepard is clinically brain-dead. After that much trauma, that long without oxygen, we can not overcome nature."

[Reorte]

Krunjar wrote...

Just as a side note. Dismissing things as "space magic" just because you aren't told exactly how they are done seems really inappropriate for sci-fi. I mean the whole series is awash with "space magic" from start to finish that's the POINT.

Mass Effect puts its technobabble in fairly early on as its explanation for the mass effect when it's setting up the universe and then at least tries to live within the consequences of that technobabble and reality, and extrapolations from existing technology. It doesn't always get it right but it makes the effort. To a certain extent what you can get away with doing that is bound more by convention than plausibility (FTL travel probably being the biggest example) but the further you go from those the more ridiculous it becomes. So it IS "space magic" if you're not told how it's done and it's just about impossible to imagine how it can fit in within either reality or the known exceptions to reality that have already been established.

If you accept that anything can be chucked in like that then you open the door to a bit of random tech magic to solve every single issue, which rather destroys dramatic potential.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

how do we actually know that is what destroy does?
how do we know that starkid is actually telling the truth and isnt trying to persuade us to pick something different?

[Liber320]

It's not the hardware that gets destroyed, it's the software. I mean, the Reapers don't exactly explode when they're hit by the Destroy pulse, do they?

[gmboy902]

Software is hardware.

Everything is physical. Software isn't just some magical techno-juice that you put onto a platform and makes it run. It consists of the moving parts of a hard drive, or electromagnetic charges (electrons), etc.

When all of the Geth and EDI were simultaneously destroyed, their software was eradicated before it could copy itself onto another platform.

As for how the Destroy ending worked, I imagine it targeted some sort of software feature that was key to sentience.

[shadowkinz]

@the guy being so absolutist about death. Remember that the protagonist him/herself was "dead as dead can be" at one point..

[KingNothing125]

Firecell11 wrote...

3.In the epilogue of destroy ending we see spaceships. You CANNOT fly a spaceship without computers.

Computers are not what gets destroyed. Synthetic life is. AI. EDI and the Geth are AIs. AIs made with Reaper code.

The first Normandy flew just fine without an AI.

[inko1nsiderate]

If you choose destroy, EDI's name plaque can be seen on the memorial. Whoops for you.

[Iakus]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

how do we actually know that is what destroy does?
how do we know that starkid is actually telling the truth and isnt trying to persuade us to pick something different?

EDI's name is on the memorial wall.  She, at least, is dead.

[Ryzaki]

And not a single **** was given that day.

Yeah can't stand EDI.

[babymoon]

I feel like one of the few who was never upset about EDI and the geth dying, even though I really love both of them. I guess I just look at in the bigger picture, in that I'm getting rid of the Reapers for good and saving a sh*t ton of other races.

...I have no soul.

Modifié par babymoon, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:52 .

[nhsknudsen]

Toasters are not alive, unless you watch a Ghostbusters movie and even then it is just some slime inside it that makes it dance to the music.

Robots are not alive, and even though they dance to the music it is just accumulated software that makes them behave like that.

Also, I lost everything for EDI when BW decided to cater to fanboys and give her a robot body and have her romance Joker.

[Obadiah]

darthnick427 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Their unique, individual personalities are lost when they shut down, that's why its mentioned multiple times that you can't simply move EDI to another vessel. The Normandy dies, she dies.

I imagine the same happens to the Geth. You can rebuild both, but they will be something new, shaped by new experiences.

I agree with this. I like to think the "new geth" would have access to the history and memories of the old Geth as I think those achieves survive the EMP blast. So they would be shaped by both their new experiences and the memories of the old geth

This is my understanding of the Geth as well. See how the backup runtimes were retored to the Legion platform in the case that Legion "died" in ME2. Legion indicates that it is merely a platform what enough Geth runtimes loaded to form a local network with enough intelligence to operate outside the main Geth network.

This raises the question of how the Geth view the concept of "death" if they do at all.

[Iakus]

babymoon wrote...

I feel like one of the few who was never upset about EDI and the geth dying, even though I really love both of them. I guess I just look at in the bigger picture, in that I'm getting rid of the Reapers for good and saving a sh*t ton of other races.

...I have no soul.

It's not their deaths that bug me so much as it's a result of friendly fire unleashed by Shepard.  If the geth were wiped out "holding the line" or EDI pulled a Mordin and tossed Shepard back through the Conduit before shooting the pipe herself, that would be one thing.  But struck down unawares like that...,that's a bad death.  No two ways around it.


Mordin, Thane, Legion, they had meaningful deaths.  EDI and the geth died because Bioware was spiteful over our not choosing Synthesis.

Modifié par iakus, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .

[DiebytheSword]

Heeden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Shepard's brain was largely intact due to his/her helmet, according to the lab computer in Chronos Station, we simply cannot know if the same is true with the Geth or EDI.

"Shepard is clinically brain-dead. After that much trauma, that long without oxygen, we can not overcome nature."

Except that the entry I quote is chronologically after the one you quote.

[Obadiah]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Heeden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Shepard's brain was largely intact due to his/her helmet, according to the lab computer in Chronos Station, we simply cannot know if the same is true with the Geth or EDI.

"Shepard is clinically brain-dead. After that much trauma, that long without oxygen, we can not overcome nature."

Except that the entry I quote is chronologically after the one you quote.

Like the Legion platfoorm encountered when Legion dies at the end of ME2, Shepard appears to be a biochemical machine that has been reset with all of his original memories and runtimes. The only discussion of the implications comes when Shepard says (s)he doesn't know if (s)he is the real Shepard or a hi-tech VI that thinks it is Shepard.

Mass Effect missed a big opportunity to examine the meaning of life with that character.

Missed a lot of opportunities really... oh well.

Modifié par Obadiah, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:25 .

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

babymoon wrote...

I feel like one of the few who was never upset about EDI and the geth dying, even though I really love both of them. I guess I just look at in the bigger picture, in that I'm getting rid of the Reapers for good and saving a sh*t ton of other races.

...I have no soul.

It's not their deaths that bug me so much as it's a result of friendly fire unleashed by Shepard.  If the geth were wiped out "holding the line" or EDI pulled a Mordin and tossed Shepard back through the Conduit before shooting the pipe herself, that would be one thing.  But struck down unawares like that...,that's a bad death.  No two ways around it.


Mordin, Thane, Legion, they had meaningful deaths.  EDI and the geth died because Bioware was spiteful over our not choosing Synthesis.

NVM that Synthesis might be most horrifying ending of them all.

[OnelShot]

I have the same theory about it, I believe too that the software is not destoryed completely.

[Heeden]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Heeden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Shepard's brain was largely intact due to his/her helmet, according to the lab computer in Chronos Station, we simply cannot know if the same is true with the Geth or EDI.

"Shepard is clinically brain-dead. After that much trauma, that long without oxygen, we can not overcome nature."

Except that the entry I quote is chronologically after the one you quote.

The actual quote is "the helmet left the brain intact, for whatever good that would do", brain damage starts setting in after 3 minutes - how long did it take Liara to recover Shep's body?

[shadowkinz]

More than 3 minutes. Brain intact or not, lack of oxygen and blood flow will make him brIn dead. If we can restore shepards memories, we can do the same with geth and edi

[shadowkinz]

**** it i'll bring them back myself brb salvaging cerberus bases for lazarus materials