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[Biotic Flash Kick]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Yes it needs to be free or like $2 Max

Why?

because the ec is an explaination of why the garbage stinks opposed to by bioware taking out the garbage and throwing it away

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Octopus_DK wrote...

I love the fact that it never strikes you, that they should just have put the 10 amazing tracks on there, and removed the two that they know are bad before shipping. Sadly in this case they shipped all 12 because they wanted to advertise that they had 12 tracks instead of 10. I hope you will stand up for yourself some day and be more assertive as a customer. Goodnight sir.

Not everyone would hate it, they wouldn't recall the entire lot because some people do not enjoy the last two tracks. They would turn around and say enjoy the remaining ten. Enjoyment is subjective. Hell a lot of actual music CDs do contain 30 second and 1 minute chats or introductions or even some with just strumming and making noise playing around with drums if bought any deep purple or rock albums.

I'll say it again - comparing stand-alone tracks on a 50-minute CD to the trilogy-defining ending of an interactive 5-year epic saga is asinine.  You can disregard songs that you don't like much easier than you can let go of an ending that is integral to the overall narrative of an interactive medium you have fully invested yourself in over the course of half a decade.

This is not a difficult concept.

It was his analogy. Don't go whining to me just because you think it was a crap one.

It does not matter whether you still dislike the endings, disliked the EC or feel insulted. They gave a free DLC that cost them a lot of time and money to make. You do NOT deserve another one. It should cost and if your still one of these people then don't buy it. You do not dangle the carrot of "1 more free DLC and I'll start paying in future" next DLC after "Just this one free and I promise I will buy the next", next DLC "Okay just this last one then I really promise with cherry on top I will buy the next".. Just no. They gave you a free DLC compromise that is enough now they need to start charging for any more they make.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[Rex Fallout]

Haha, no EA is involved. It'll be 10-$15. And to all those people saying that they have to, just keep in mind Valve pushes out free DLC all the time. HUGE packs of free DLC. All the free Left 4 Dead campaigns, the Portal 2 Co-op DLC. The list goes on and on... So it IS possible. Just saying.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Yes it needs to be free or like $2 Max

Why?

because the ec is an explaination of why the garbage stinks opposed to by bioware taking out the garbage and throwing it away

How does that answer my question?

[Blitzhawk65]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Tl;dr: If people are allowed to b*tch and moan about the ending, I’m allowed to defend it. I paid money for the game too.  I liked the ending (after the EC). I have no problems with them. I think the constant hate on here (the official BW forums of all places) is getting a bit out of hand. They gave us THREE free pieces of DLC, and these people are still angry and asking for the next one to be free too, because the product that was released on launch 'wasn't finished'. 

That, is bull****. Mass Effect 3 was a finished game, crappy ending or not. You may think I'm a total pr*ck for actually speaking against all these people, who seems to think that trash talking BW and their game, earns them the right to free DLC. Sorry to dissapoint you, 

Multiplayer DLCs pay for themselves through buying equipment packs the multiplayer shop, if they would have charged money for those, then fewer people would have bought them and therefore fewer people would play multiplayer and/or buy the packs.  This isn't Halo or Call of Duty, I would bet that most people didn't buy ME3 for the multiplayer, they bought it for the single player.

EC had to be free.  There was an estimated 90% of fans that didn't like the endings.  For a plot-driven game with RPG elements that is bad.  If they would not have fixed the ending then there would have been very little chance that anyone would buy any future paid DLC, let alone another game using the ME IP. 

I am not offering that to say that future DLC should be unpaid, but I am offering it to say that Bioware had financial reasons to offer those DLCs for free.  It wasn't out of the goodness of their heart, it was to build up goodwill with the fans so that they will keep playing multiplayer or keep buying future products.

[BattlemastaWrex]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Yes it needs to be free or like $2 Max

Why?

because the ec is an explaination of why the garbage stinks opposed to by bioware taking out the garbage and throwing it away

Implying that the quality of the ending correlates to the quality of unconfirmed DLC. The rest of the game was so great, I don't see why you don't use that as a point of comparison. the last 5 minutes of a 25+ hour game, no matter how bad those 5 minutes were, are not a proper reference point to the quality of the DLC. Who knows if the DLC will be good? No one. So stop demanding that it be free simply because 5 minutes of a 25+ hour game was bad.

[jules_vern18]

Finally, if people want the DLC to be free, let them.  They're not going to get what they want, but that's their business.  I for one am perfectly happy to pay for future DLC (assuming it further impacts the endings), but I remember a time in my life where it might have been difficult for me to do so financially...and it could be that this is what's motivating some of the responses hoping for free content.  You don't know, and you shouldn't really have reason to care.  You worry about you, that's what my mom used to say. 

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 03 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

BattlemastaWrex wrote...


Your lack of understanding dumfounds me because you would understand your hypocrisy had you read this: "
To assume because 5 minutes of the game was bad, that future DLC will be the same quality is an asinine belief and to demand that it be free is even more greedy of you. Why? Because if you expect the DLC to be as bad as the original ending, you would truly not want the DLC at all."

I want it free because it will be bad or close to it.
The makeup of Mass effect 3 makes all future pointless and adding little story wise for the game to expand on as the story already ended.
Future DLC will be entirely meaningless and not worth purchasing for the majority for people who previously would've bought everything Mass effect.
The 15 minutes were bad really it made Mass effect 2's and Mass effect 1's plot and story almost irrelevant.
There was more wrong with Mass effect 3 such as limited dialogue and auto dialogue as well as other things.
This game was far from good throughout just because the final 15 minutes were down right awful does not mean I ignore all the other problems with the game.

I don't expect it to be as bad as the ending as it can not be the ending.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Blitzhawk65 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Tl;dr: If people are allowed to b*tch and moan about the ending, I’m allowed to defend it. I paid money for the game too.  I liked the ending (after the EC). I have no problems with them. I think the constant hate on here (the official BW forums of all places) is getting a bit out of hand. They gave us THREE free pieces of DLC, and these people are still angry and asking for the next one to be free too, because the product that was released on launch 'wasn't finished'. 

That, is bull****. Mass Effect 3 was a finished game, crappy ending or not. You may think I'm a total pr*ck for actually speaking against all these people, who seems to think that trash talking BW and their game, earns them the right to free DLC. Sorry to dissapoint you, 

Multiplayer DLCs pay for themselves through buying equipment packs the multiplayer shop, if they would have charged money for those, then fewer people would have bought them and therefore fewer people would play multiplayer and/or buy the packs.  This isn't Halo or Call of Duty, I would bet that most people didn't buy ME3 for the multiplayer, they bought it for the single player.

EC had to be free.  There was an estimated 90% of fans that didn't like the endings.  For a plot-driven game with RPG elements that is bad.  If they would not have fixed the ending then there would have been very little chance that anyone would buy any future paid DLC, let alone another game using the ME IP. 

I am not offering that to say that future DLC should be unpaid, but I am offering it to say that Bioware had financial reasons to offer those DLCs for free.  It wasn't out of the goodness of their heart, it was to build up goodwill with the fans so that they will keep playing multiplayer or keep buying future products.

That is true, but that doesn't change the fact that developing the content cost them a lot of money and time. A lot of other stuff could have happened. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what we got. 

Bioware is a company, and they want to make money just as much as every other company. Still, they took their time to create the EC, insted of going 'suck it up, we've got your money', and I think they deserve a little bit of respect for that.

[BattlemastaWrex]

Rex Fallout wrote...

Haha, no EA is involved. It'll be 10-$15. And to all those people saying that they have to, just keep in mind Valve pushes out free DLC all the time. HUGE packs of free DLC. All the free Left 4 Dead campaigns, the Portal 2 Co-op DLC. The list goes on and on... So it IS possible. Just saying.

Even though it was free, the Portal 2 dlc was short. And by all of those free L4D campaigns you must mean Crash Course and The Sacrifice, right? How short were those? Two hours each. Much longer if you compare it to that Portal 2 DLC.

Making comparisons to Valve is not useful, simply because Valve doesn't operate like other developers/publishers. May I remind you Valve is the company that took 9 years to make TF2. That is currently making and soon selling CS:GO which is more like a poor reskin/update of CSS. So Valve isn't as perfect as you make it out to be.

[BattlemastaWrex]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

BattlemastaWrex wrote...


Your lack of understanding dumfounds me because you would understand your hypocrisy had you read this: "
To assume because 5 minutes of the game was bad, that future DLC will be the same quality is an asinine belief and to demand that it be free is even more greedy of you. Why? Because if you expect the DLC to be as bad as the original ending, you would truly not want the DLC at all."

I want it free because it will be bad or close to it.
The makeup of Mass effect 3 makes all future pointless and adding little story wise for the game to expand on as the story already ended.
Future DLC will be entirely meaningless and not worth purchasing for the majority for people who previously would've bought everything Mass effect.
The 15 minutes were bad really it made Mass effect 2's and Mass effect 1's plot and story almost irrelevant.
There was more wrong with Mass effect 3 such as limited dialogue and auto dialogue as well as other things.
This game was far from good throughout just because the final 15 minutes were down right awful does not mean I ignore all the other problems with the game.

I don't expect it to be as bad as the ending as it can not be the ending.

But you're making an assumption that just because the vanilla ending to ME3 was bad, that all future SP DLC was bad. It's an unproven assumption with no arguments to back it up. That's why your point is fundamentally wrong.

[xsdob]

ENOUGH WITH THE LOTS OF FLAMEWARING FOR EVERYONE!!!!

Endings sucked, or didn't suck, or anything in-between is not what the goddamn thread is about!! It is whether DLC will be free or not, not whether the EC is an insult, or if the product is unfinished, or if people like the EC or not, that is not the Issue! There are already per-exsisting threads for this, take it there is you need to talk about it so much!

DLC will not be free, all of those free DLC were olive branches to the fandom, an attempt to rebuild goodwill between the customers and fans and to the bioware brand name and mass effect franchise. They will more than likely release dlc now for the game, multiplayer might be free due to microtransactions and frankly I don't care, if people want to allow other players to play the dlc at not additional cost than I say buy those people some beers and celebrate.

Personally, I'm hoping the microtransactions will be able to offset the lack of sales for the paid single player dlc, because while I like mass effect 3 and would love more content for it, many here do not and will not pay anything for anything anymore because they are angry.

Whether it's for legitimate reasons or out of simple bitterness and holding onto grudges like a life-preserver in the middle of the Atlantic, I don't care, I still won't get more content for the game if not enough money comes in.

Modifié par xsdob, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:27 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

jules_vern18 wrote...
I'm gonna make as much sense out of that as I can.

First off, let's get this straight - ME is not a piece of entertainment "just like" a book or a CD and you know it.  That's like saying that an airplane is a mode of transportation "just like" a unicycle or a covered wagon. 

While they may fit into the same classification, they are vastly different types of products.  So let's put that one to rest before we start comparing Super Mario to War and Peace, eh?

Secondly, I don't see droves of people in here "demanding" free DLC.  The thread asks if people believe that DLC will be free, not whether or not it should.  You added that qualifier with your original condescending post.  

Finally, if people want the DLC to be free, let them.  They're not going to get what they want, but that's their business.  I for one am perfectly happy to pay for future DLC (assuming it further impacts the endings), but I remember a time in my life where it might have been difficult for me to do so financially...and it could be that this is what's motivating some of the responses hoping for free content.  You don't know, and you shouldn't really have reason to care.  You worry about you, that's what my mom used to say. 

As for calling you a pr*ck?  That was mainly due to your condescending tone, inflammatory remarks, and petulant b*tching about people having opinions you don't agree with.  The moniker still fits, I think - and I should know...I'm a pr*ck too.  Difference is, I don't go around attacking pro-enders for liking the game.

Something went terribly wrong with the formatting of my post.

I'm not trying to make people change their opinion, but if I disagree with them, I tell them. That's how a forum works. I'm not attacking anyone, but the way some of these people talk about the product the people at Bioware spent 3 years of their lives on, I have no problem saying things as they are. End of discussion.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[jules_vern18]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Octopus_DK wrote...

I love the fact that it never strikes you, that they should just have put the 10 amazing tracks on there, and removed the two that they know are bad before shipping. Sadly in this case they shipped all 12 because they wanted to advertise that they had 12 tracks instead of 10. I hope you will stand up for yourself some day and be more assertive as a customer. Goodnight sir.

Not everyone would hate it, they wouldn't recall the entire lot because some people do not enjoy the last two tracks. They would turn around and say enjoy the remaining ten. Enjoyment is subjective. Hell a lot of actual music CDs do contain 30 second and 1 minute chats or introductions or even some with just strumming and making noise playing around with drums if bought any deep purple or rock albums.

I'll say it again - comparing stand-alone tracks on a 50-minute CD to the trilogy-defining ending of an interactive 5-year epic saga is asinine.  You can disregard songs that you don't like much easier than you can let go of an ending that is integral to the overall narrative of an interactive medium you have fully invested yourself in over the course of half a decade.

This is not a difficult concept.

It was his analogy. Don't go whining to me just because you think it was a crap one.

It does not matter whether your still dislike the endings, disliked the EC or feel insulted. They gave a free DLC that cost them a lot of time and money to make. You do NOT deserve another one. It should cost and if your still one of these people then don't buy it. You do not dangle the carrot of "1 more free DLC and I'll start paying in future" next DLC after "Just this one free and I promise I will buy the next", next DLC "Okay just this last one then I really promise with cherry on top I will buy the next".. Just no. They gave you a free DLC compromise that is enough now they need to start charging for any more they make.

"Those people" never existed.  It's a stereotype that was imposed on people who didn't like the endings by people who liked them or didn't believe they should be changed.  It's reductionist comments like these that prove you are more interested in marginalizing people than actually having a real conversation.

Here's what you don't get:  fans have a right to b*tch and moan about whatever the hell they want.  They have a right to offer ultimatums, make demands, shake their fists, and express their displeasure over a product that they feel did not meet their expectations.  The creator of the product has just as much of a right to ignore them or capitulate. 

Complaining about people complaining, on the other hand, is just petty.

[Alushadow]

Vinchisters wrote...

Ive been looking through the script of the Leviathan of Dis DLC and have seen that it makes minor (maybe even large) changes to the conversation with the Catalyst at the end of ME3. Since this DLC will (most likely) explain the Reaper's history, motivations and everything else, do you think that EA will allow BW to release this DLC for free too?
Personaly, I believe that releasing this one for free too would be a real attitude changer for many fans towards BW.
Oh yeah, we also would learn the reasons why the citizens of the galaxy are being butchered every 50K years by giant pieces of semi-sentient sushi.

if it wont be free it will not sell
its a paradox
either it changes the ending or its free! but it will not change the ending and it will not be free
therefor it will not exist!!

[Pascal219]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No. And to be honest, I'm not sure parts of this fanbase actually deserves any more free content.

This. 

[MegaSovereign]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Doubtful, but I suppose anything is possible.

I see what you did there.

[crimzontearz]

does it matter? I seriously doubt it will have anything to actually male me want to play again.....like someone said before me, Not buying it means Bioware might realize just how deeply they ****ed us ovet

[DRTJR]

 This thread is hurting my soul. 
The DLC will cost 5 or 10 dollars deal with it.

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

"Those people" never existed.  It's a stereotype that was imposed on people who didn't like the endings by people who liked them or didn't believe they should be changed.  It's reductionist comments like these that prove you are more interested in marginalizing people than actually having a real conversation.

Here's what you don't get:  fans have a right to b*tch and moan about whatever the hell they want.  They have a right to offer ultimatums, make demands, shake their fists, and express their displeasure over a product that they feel did not meet their expectations.  The creator of the product has just as much of a right to ignore them or capitulate. 

Complaining about people complaining, on the other hand, is just petty.

Your kidding right? For someone who just went around calling another person vast amount of insults your in no position to bring up the civility of real discussion or conversations. Greed is greed no matter how many excuses you throw at it.

EC was free, an olive branch it cost a lot to make and a lot of people enjoyed it. Some remained unhappy but those ones would of been unhappy regardless after reading these forums and speaking to people on it. They did not care that EC was a compromise between developers right to create the story they want and trying to please as many fans as they could while keeping the integrity of their story wish to tell in their game intact. That is what EC was. It was a free goodwill gesture.

So your still not happy? So what, theres no guarantee you will ever be happy; they should not keeping pumping out free DLC on the off chance you change you mind after your bored and done dangling the carrot on the stick which could be never. First one free, rest they should charge for.

Honestly I did not think my respect for this community could go any lower after the whining and threats, filing FTC complaints, harrassment of staff and pure spite by some of the fans here. Well I was wrong I guess because the sheer arrogance and guile of people in this thread deamanding yet more free DLC is pushed my respect for certain sections of this fanbase below even what I thought was possible.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:13 .

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Yes it needs to be free or like $2 Max

Why?

because the ec is an explaination of why the garbage stinks opposed to by bioware taking out the garbage and throwing it away

How does that answer my question?

How does it not answer your question?
They did the same sub par with the original endings. Why do they deserve more money for churning out garbage?

So if you flat start with you will drop 60 bucks at a fine dinner and want a full course with salad soup steak etc
You get a burger, a rotten salad and a cockroach in your soup I take it you are the one to eat up all biowaste has to give and say
"Well at least it wasn't two cockroaches."
BUT NO WE CANNOT STOP THERE
Then willing pay an extra ten dollars for a nice slice of rich velvet cake but only get a scoop of melty ice cream after the product before hand was complete utter ****?

Modifié par Biotic Flash Kick, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[Kelwing]

No and not expecting it or any other sp dlc to be free. Time is money and people don't sit and do work for nothing.

[Mr.House]

No, the only dlc that will be free is MP dlc because of microtransactions.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Kelwing wrote...

No and not expecting it or any other sp dlc to be free. Time is money and people don't sit and do work for nothing.

All the still disappointed fans that put hundreds of hours into the games feel the same way.
Bioware cannot give us our time back so atleast they should keep making free endings, until they get it right, or grant certain unsatisfied customers a full refund.

Modifié par Biotic Flash Kick, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:15 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Yes it needs to be free or like $2 Max

Why?

because the ec is an explaination of why the garbage stinks opposed to by bioware taking out the garbage and throwing it away

How does that answer my question?

How does it not answer your question?
They did the same sub par with the original endings. Why do they deserve more money for churring out garbage?

So if you flat start with you will drop 60 bucks at a fine dinner and want a full course with salad soup steak etc
You get a burger, a rotten salad and a cockroach in your soup I take it you are the one to eat up all biowaste has to give and say
"Well at least it wasn't two cockroaches."
BUT NO WE CANNOT STOP THERE
Then willing pay an extra ten dollars for a nice slice of rich velvet cake but only get a scoop of melty ice cream after the product before hand was complete utter ****?

I reached the point were it said 'biowaste' and the I stopped reading. If you can't even state your opinion without resorting to childish insults, I'm not going to bother. I'll just leave you with this good old gem: "Don't like it, don't buy it."

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:14 .