246 réponses à ce sujet

[Dragoonlordz]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Mass effect 3 ending is 1 side of my assumptions.
The quality of the previous installments DLC is another side of my assumption, could I see myself wanting to play a ME3 DLC similar to something like Project Overload is size and scope for a price? No

I don't consider the quality of previous installments to be great but when you mix that with overall a game with bad story writing such as Mass effect 3 it really is a bad time to be thingking about purchasing DLC.

Another side would be the attitude of Bioware and how manage the situation, they were doing fairly badly early on and they released EC which was fairly poorly done and added nothing of real value and certainly nothing worth paying for.
They're basically on a fail streak in terms of their ability.

I had to justify purchasing ME2 DLC, that was easy to do as it did add something.
Unfortunately the what Mass effect 3 has done I can only justify the gameplay aspect for my only reason to purchase, but  is entirely irrelevant because I only care about the story and future DLC add little as we already know that everything is void.

Then don't purchase it but you do not deserve it free. Way your coming across makes me think you have no intention of ever buying any future games or DLC from them in first place regardless of if 1, 2 or 3 DLCs are free. I also bet that even if the next 10 DLCs are free and amazing quality you still would not buy any future DLC. The fact is Bioware have no way of knowing and they cannot gamble on forever giving things away in case you magically change you mind.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:40 .

[ediskrad327]

i doubt that very much

[jules_vern18]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Mass effect 3 ending is 1 side of my assumptions.
The quality of the previous installments DLC is another side of my assumption, could I see myself wanting to play a ME3 DLC similar to something like Project Overload is size and scope for a price? No

I don't consider the quality of previous installments to be great but when you mix that with overall a game with bad story writing such as Mass effect 3 it really is a bad time to be thingking about purchasing DLC.

Another side would be the attitude of Bioware and how manage the situation, they were doing fairly badly early on and they released EC which was fairly poorly done and added nothing of real value and certainly nothing worth paying for.
They're basically on a fail streak in terms of their ability.

I had to justify purchasing ME2 DLC, that was easy to do as it did add something.
Unfortunately the what Mass effect 3 has done I can only justify the gameplay aspect for my only reason to purchase, but  is entirely irrelevant because I only care about the story and future DLC add little as we already know that everything is void.

Then don't purchase it but you do not deserve it free. Way your coming across makes me think you have no intention of ever buying any future games or DLC from them in first place regardless of if 1, 2 or 3 DLCs are free. I also bet that even if the next 10 DLCs are free and amazing quality you still would not buy any future DLC. The fact is Bioware have no way of knowing and they cannot gamble on forever giving things away in case you magically change you mind.

What does "deserve" have to do with it?  The 3rd single player DLC for ME3 will either be free or it won't be (and it won't be).  What is the point of attacking people's expectations?

[Blue Liara]

NO chance whatsoever.

[K2LU533]

No

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Mass effect 3 ending is 1 side of my assumptions.
The quality of the previous installments DLC is another side of my assumption, could I see myself wanting to play a ME3 DLC similar to something like Project Overload in size and scope for a price? No

I don't consider the quality of previous installments to be great but when you mix that with a game with bad story writing such as Mass effect 3 it really is a bad time to be thinking about purchasing DLC.

Another side would be the attitude of Bioware and how they managed the situation, they were doing fairly badly early on and then they released EC which was fairly poorly done and added nothing of real value and certainly nothing worth paying for.
They're basically on a fail streak in terms of their ability.

I had to justify purchasing ME2 DLC, that was easy to do as it did add something.
Unfortunately  what Mass effect 3 has done I can only justify the gameplay aspect for my only reason to purchase, but  is entirely irrelevant because I only care about the story and future DLC add, as we already know it doesn't matter what they add.

Then don't purchase it but you do not deserve it free. Way your coming across makes me think you have no intention of ever buying any future games or DLC from them in first place regardless of if 1, 2 or 3 DLCs are free. I also bet that even if the next 10 DLCs are free and amazing quality you still would not buy any future DLC. The fact is Bioware have no way of knowing and they cannot gamble on forever giving things away in case you magically change you mind.

I will only have an intention of buying DLC if it changed the way the game ends which it won't, so yes I have no intention of buying any future games or DLC.
They will not be quality DLC's storywise if they stay true what Mass effect 3 has set in stone already, point is they won't be amazing quality because Bioware does not have a record of that.

Ignoring everything I said above, I could buy them for $2.

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:50 .

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

I don't think you know what bias means.  Defending someone's perspective does not equal adoption of or bias towards that perspective.  Let me say it again:  I. am. not. asking. for. the. next. dlc. to. be. free. 

As for "From Ashes?"  Come on, man - it's a perfectly valid argument that it should have been in the game to begin with.  It's integral to the plot and provides vital context...Javik was no Kasumi/Zaeed and we shouldn't have had to pay extra for it.  Just my opinion, but I think it's a perfectly valid one.  You might be ok with everything that Bioware ever does/has done/will do, but just because you want to make an excuse for every single oversight doesn't mean that I have to swallow it. 

But that's beyond the point.  I simply said that ME3's first dlc was not free - and it should be said that most fans went ahead and bought if even if they were unhappy with Day 1 paid content.  I think a lot of folks are just resistant to paying more for content after having been burned before.  

Nevertheless, the DLC won't be free.  I just understand why some people would want it to be, unrealistic as that may be.

I know exactly what bias is, why is it I have yet to see you argue against anyone who is saying it should be free? Why is it that the only people you are arguing with is the ones that say it should cost? I think we all know the bias you have. If you argue constantly on the side of everyone who says it should be free against those who say it should not it is clear that you agree with the ones who say should be free and not the ones who think it should not.

Lets examine shall we.

1. Argues only against those who wants it to cost.

2. Never argues against those who wants it free.

3. Hates day one DLC and holds resentment against Bioware for it.

4. Clearly also holds resentment to anyone who was not offended by day 1 DLC.

5. Keep saying you see why it shouldn't cost anything yet never said why think it should cost, a unbiased position would try to understand both sides not just one.

You are biased you just do not want to admit it to yourself.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:51 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

no, nor should it
/thread

[Brovikk Rasputin]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Mass effect 3 ending is 1 side of my assumptions.
The quality of the previous installments DLC is another side of my assumption, could I see myself wanting to play a ME3 DLC similar to something like Project Overload is size and scope for a price? No

I don't consider the quality of previous installments to be great but when you mix that with overall a game with bad story writing such as Mass effect 3 it really is a bad time to be thingking about purchasing DLC.

Another side would be the attitude of Bioware and how manage the situation, they were doing fairly badly early on and they released EC which was fairly poorly done and added nothing of real value and certainly nothing worth paying for.
They're basically on a fail streak in terms of their ability.

I had to justify purchasing ME2 DLC, that was easy to do as it did add something.
Unfortunately the what Mass effect 3 has done I can only justify the gameplay aspect for my only reason to purchase, but  is entirely irrelevant because I only care about the story and future DLC add little as we already know that everything is void.

Then don't purchase it but you do not deserve it free. Way your coming across makes me think you have no intention of ever buying any future games or DLC from them in first place regardless of if 1, 2 or 3 DLCs are free. I also bet that even if the next 10 DLCs are free and amazing quality you still would not buy any future DLC. The fact is Bioware have no way of knowing and they cannot gamble on forever giving things away in case you magically change you mind.

What does "deserve" have to do with it?  The 3rd single player DLC for ME3 will either be free or it won't be (and it won't be).  What is the point of attacking people's expectations?

He's not attacking anyone. He's disagreeing with him. 

[D24O]

How has this thread gone so far after "No."

[xsdob]

So does anyone else hope that microtransactions will help pay for future single player dlc and help offset all the fans who will not buy it?

Because I want more content and I really hope for this, otherwise we'll get 1 dlc and than no more content for mass effect ever again.

[digoutyoursoul]

Sundance31us wrote...

No, I believe in paying people for their work.

Same here, looking forward to whatever sp DLC comes our way

[spirosz]

I say 800 max, 460 or 540 min.

[Iakus]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

I will only have an intention of buying DLC if it changed the way the game ends which it won't, so yes I have no intention of buying any future games or DLC.
They will not be quality DLC's storywise if they stay true what Mass effect 3 has set in stone already, point is they won't be amazing quality because Bioware does not have a record of that.

Ignoring everything I said above, I could buy them for $2.

Amall correction here:

They used to have a record of that.  Bioware stories used to be incredible.  WHich makes this all the more sad...

[77boy84]

Not a doubt in my mind that Leviathan will cost money, but the question shouldn't be "Will it cost money", the question should be "Will it be worth the cost?", and that's a big fat NO.

[Seifer006]

krukow wrote...

No. And why should it be? They gave us the EC, which was really well done (within the confines of the endings they couldn't "change"), and people still complained.

Besides, their DLCs are usually worth the money.

those complaints were within reasons. I myself didn't like the EC......because Bioware was "selective" on answering the fans. Besides, most of the fans weren't just complaining about the ending anyway.......there was lots of other reasons.

[Rex Fallout]

BattlemastaWrex wrote...

Rex Fallout wrote...

Haha, no EA is involved. It'll be 10-$15. And to all those people saying that they have to, just keep in mind Valve pushes out free DLC all the time. HUGE packs of free DLC. All the free Left 4 Dead campaigns, the Portal 2 Co-op DLC. The list goes on and on... So it IS possible. Just saying.

Even though it was free, the Portal 2 dlc was short. And by all of those free L4D campaigns you must mean Crash Course and The Sacrifice, right? How short were those? Two hours each. Much longer if you compare it to that Portal 2 DLC.

Making comparisons to Valve is not useful, simply because Valve doesn't operate like other developers/publishers. May I remind you Valve is the company that took 9 years to make TF2. That is currently making and soon selling CS:GO which is more like a poor reskin/update of CSS. So Valve isn't as perfect as you make it out to be.

I wasn't trying to make Valve out to be perfect, I was merely stating that free DLC is not an impossibility.  And 2 hour campaigns?  How long do you expect the DLC to be?  Lair of the Shado Broker was what- An Hour?  2 Hours Tops?  Same length.  Different price.  The Campaigns also have the ability to be played again and again and again with different friends, immediately.  Mass Effect DLC is used, and then in order to be played again, you have to start a new game.  Mass Effect gives me much less replayability.  

[Brovikk Rasputin]

77boy84 wrote...

Not a doubt in my mind that Leviathan will cost money, but the question shouldn't be "Will it cost money", the question should be "Will it be worth the cost?", and that's a big fat NO.

How can you say that before it's even announced? 

[Seifer006]

i would pay for the Levithans DLC if it had the Reapers history and Harbinger in it. He really needs to come back. plus, I too would like some Batarians in ME3......i rarely remember seeing one in the game except for Balak

[NM_Che56]

Doubt it. There's only so much apologizing they can do. It'd be nice, but nope not gonna happen.

[lynch108]

No need for free dlc anymore, they need to pay the devs. I have no problem putting down 10 dollars to support a game I like. Unfortunately I have no desire to play any dlc that doesn't affect the ending in some way other than war assets. MP on the other hand will always be free because of microtransactions. If they charged for MP dlc they would have to unlock everything off the bat.

[NM_Che56]

Doubt it. There's only so much apologizing they can do. It'd be nice, but nope not gonna happen.

[digoutyoursoul]

77boy84 wrote...

Not a doubt in my mind that Leviathan will cost money, but the question shouldn't be "Will it cost money", the question should be "Will it be worth the cost?", and that's a big fat NO.

Why ?

[Dragoonlordz]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Mass effect 3 ending is 1 side of my assumptions.
The quality of the previous installments DLC is another side of my assumption, could I see myself wanting to play a ME3 DLC similar to something like Project Overload in size and scope for a price? No

I don't consider the quality of previous installments to be great but when you mix that with a game with bad story writing such as Mass effect 3 it really is a bad time to be thinking about purchasing DLC.

Another side would be the attitude of Bioware and how they managed the situation, they were doing fairly badly early on and then they released EC which was fairly poorly done and added nothing of real value and certainly nothing worth paying for.
They're basically on a fail streak in terms of their ability.

I had to justify purchasing ME2 DLC, that was easy to do as it did add something.
Unfortunately  what Mass effect 3 has done I can only justify the gameplay aspect for my only reason to purchase, but  is entirely irrelevant because I only care about the story and future DLC add, as we already know it doesn't matter what they add.

Then don't purchase it but you do not deserve it free. Way your coming across makes me think you have no intention of ever buying any future games or DLC from them in first place regardless of if 1, 2 or 3 DLCs are free. I also bet that even if the next 10 DLCs are free and amazing quality you still would not buy any future DLC. The fact is Bioware have no way of knowing and they cannot gamble on forever giving things away in case you magically change you mind.

I will only have an intention of buying DLC if it changed the way the game ends which it won't, so yes I have no intention of buying any future games or DLC.
They will not be quality DLC's storywise if they stay true what Mass effect 3 has set in stone already, point is they won't be amazing quality because Bioware does not have a record of that.

Ignoring everything I said above, I could buy them for $2.

This is not a flea market, yard or a jumble sale. It is not ebay where place bids and make offers. It will either cost same as most other DLC or it won't, not whatever you think it is worth... I think it should cost, I would actually lose respect for Bioware if was free. I would feel they have no integrity and fall for such obvious ploys as claiming unhappy ask for one free, then two free then three free all on the off chance that group of the fanbase (I use the word loosely at this stage) are not pulling the wool over Bioware's eyes and just saying unhappy for get more freebies. I already lost some respect for this fanbase when saw people asking for it free. The people who want it free I feel are greedy, selfish and do not deserve it free not considering they already had one free DLC that cost Bioware I am sure a lot of money to make which was an olive branch even if could not please everyone.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[77boy84]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Not a doubt in my mind that Leviathan will cost money, but the question shouldn't be "Will it cost money", the question should be "Will it be worth the cost?", and that's a big fat NO.

How can you say that before it's even announced? 

Two reasons:
-Bioware's track record with their last three games is pretty bad. Somewhere, somehow, Bioware took a MASSIVE hit in quality.

-I just can't see any point in playing ME3 DLC. It wont affect the ending in any meaningful way, it wont take place AFTER the ending, so it's just... pointless filler. There's no point to it. At least ME1, and 2's DLC had a point. You bought them and felt "Yeah, this might impact things later on". This is just "lets have another space adventure with shepard, guys!", and honestly, I didn't play Mass Effect for the one off side quests that didn't affect anything.

People like to say "Well, it's not even out yet, so be quiet!", but honestly, you can make an educated guess about game quality most of the time.