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[Dragoonlordz]

xsdob wrote...

So does anyone else hope that microtransactions will help pay for future single player dlc and help offset all the fans who will not buy it?

Because I want more content and I really hope for this, otherwise we'll get 1 dlc and than no more content for mass effect ever again.

I hope anything helps to keep Bioware producing more content for their titles, I did not enjoy DA2 but I certainly felt bad for the ones who did and had the expansion dropped when they were looking forward to it. A lot of people now are happy aor okay with ME3 and a lot of them want lots of ME3 SP DLC, I want Bioware to keep producing it for those people including myself therefore they need a steady stream of income whatever that may be to allow them to do so.

[jules_vern18]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

I don't think you know what bias means.  Defending someone's perspective does not equal adoption of or bias towards that perspective.  Let me say it again:  I. am. not. asking. for. the. next. dlc. to. be. free. 

As for "From Ashes?"  Come on, man - it's a perfectly valid argument that it should have been in the game to begin with.  It's integral to the plot and provides vital context...Javik was no Kasumi/Zaeed and we shouldn't have had to pay extra for it.  Just my opinion, but I think it's a perfectly valid one.  You might be ok with everything that Bioware ever does/has done/will do, but just because you want to make an excuse for every single oversight doesn't mean that I have to swallow it. 

But that's beyond the point.  I simply said that ME3's first dlc was not free - and it should be said that most fans went ahead and bought if even if they were unhappy with Day 1 paid content.  I think a lot of folks are just resistant to paying more for content after having been burned before.  

Nevertheless, the DLC won't be free.  I just understand why some people would want it to be, unrealistic as that may be.

I know exactly what bias is, why is it I have yet to see you argue against anyone who is saying it should be free? Why is it that the only people you are arguing with is the ones that say it should cost? I think we all know the bias you have. If you argue constantly on the side of everyone who says it should be free against those who say it should not it is clear that you agree with the ones who say should be free and not the ones who think it should not.

Lets examine shall we.

1. Argues only against those who wants it to cost.

2. Never argues against those who wants it free.

3. Hates day one DLC and holds resentment against Bioware for it.

4. Clearly also holds resentment to anyone who was not offended by day 1 DLC.

5. Keep saying you see why it shouldn't cost anything yet never said why think it should cost, a unbiased position would try to understand both sides not just one.

You are biased you just do not want to admit it to yourself.

Sigh. 

1.  I'm not arguing against you because you want it to cost, I'm arguing against you for belittling those who want it to be free.  You are only seeing two possible positions:  those who want it to cost and those who do not.  I don't care either way - but I expect it to cost and don't mind that it will.  Whether or not I'll dl remains to be seen. 

2.  Again, nor do I argue against those who want it to cost.  If you can find one argument that I've made stating that the DLC should be free, I'll happily concede the thread. 

3.  Jesus, I only brought up "From Ashes" to disprove your statement that all dlc up until this point has been free.  It hasn't.  Exactly 50% of SP content so far has been free; the other 50% has cost money.

4.  I don't resent you for not being offended by day 1 dlc.  I do, however, assert that you are one of the few who will never concede any missteps, oversights, or mistakes on behalf of Bioware.  I'm pretty sure Casey Hudson could shoot a kitten on national television and you would be coming up with excuses for why.

5.  AGAIN - I am not taking a side regarding whether or not the dlc should be free.  I AM standing up for people who are still upset about the ending, their right to feel that way, and their unwillingness to pay for future dlc - especially since you and others have made this thread about bashing them for their discontent.  You say people don't "deserve" free dlc; I say screw you for thinking that you have the right to declare what people do and do not deserve.  Arguments are rarely two-sided - learn to read nuance FFS.

I swear, it's like talking to a f*cking wall.

[comrade gando]

It wont be free no way in heck. But thats fine, they can sell it, but I wont buy it. I still have no solid form of conclusion to shepard's journey. But when you get right down to it, right down to the core o what makes me so bitter: I still got no character closure, and no house on rannoch with tali.

Thats right they provided closure for everything except what mattered the most: the characters.

And thats why I refuse to buy dlc until I get a proper ending.

[jules_vern18]

lynch108 wrote...

No need for free dlc anymore, they need to pay the devs. I have no problem putting down 10 dollars to support a game I like. Unfortunately I have no desire to play any dlc that doesn't affect the ending in some way other than war assets. MP on the other hand will always be free because of microtransactions. If they charged for MP dlc they would have to unlock everything off the bat.

That about sums it up.

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sigh. 

1.  I'm not arguing against you because you want it to cost, I'm arguing against you for belittling those who want it to be free.  You are only seeing two possible positions:  those who want it to cost and those who do not.  I don't care either way - but I expect it to cost and don't mind that it will.  Whether or not I'll dl remains to be seen. 

2.  Again, nor do I argue against those who want it to cost.  If you can find one argument that I've made stating that the DLC should be free, I'll happily concede the thread. 

3.  Jesus, I only brought up "From Ashes" to disprove your statement that all dlc up until this point has been free.  It hasn't.  Exactly 50% of SP content so far has been free; the other 50% has cost money.

4.  I don't resent you for not being offended by day 1 dlc.  I do, however, assert that you are one of the few who will never concede any missteps, oversights, or mistakes on behalf of Bioware.  I'm pretty sure Casey Hudson could shoot a kitten on national television and you would be coming up with excuses for why.

5.  AGAIN - I am not taking a side regarding whether or not the dlc should be free.  I AM standing up for people who are still upset about the ending, their right to feel that way, and their unwillingness to pay for future dlc - especially since you and others have made this thread about bashing them for their discontent.  You say people don't "deserve" free dlc; I say screw you for thinking that you have the right to declare what people do and do not deserve.  Arguments are rarely two-sided - learn to read nuance FFS.

I swear, it's like talking to a f*cking wall.

Click on my DA2 review it is far from positive. The picture your painting is pure fantasy.  I have posted negative things also about ME3 from lacking trial to bad journal tracking, poor quest system relying on fetch quests and much more plus a lot about DA2 however this does not mean I cannot also dislike greedy people like the ones I have spoken too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:12 .

[jules_vern18]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sigh. 

1.  I'm not arguing against you because you want it to cost, I'm arguing against you for belittling those who want it to be free.  You are only seeing two possible positions:  those who want it to cost and those who do not.  I don't care either way - but I expect it to cost and don't mind that it will.  Whether or not I'll dl remains to be seen. 

2.  Again, nor do I argue against those who want it to cost.  If you can find one argument that I've made stating that the DLC should be free, I'll happily concede the thread. 

3.  Jesus, I only brought up "From Ashes" to disprove your statement that all dlc up until this point has been free.  It hasn't.  Exactly 50% of SP content so far has been free; the other 50% has cost money.

4.  I don't resent you for not being offended by day 1 dlc.  I do, however, assert that you are one of the few who will never concede any missteps, oversights, or mistakes on behalf of Bioware.  I'm pretty sure Casey Hudson could shoot a kitten on national television and you would be coming up with excuses for why.

5.  AGAIN - I am not taking a side regarding whether or not the dlc should be free.  I AM standing up for people who are still upset about the ending, their right to feel that way, and their unwillingness to pay for future dlc - especially since you and others have made this thread about bashing them for their discontent.  You say people don't "deserve" free dlc; I say screw you for thinking that you have the right to declare what people do and do not deserve.  Arguments are rarely two-sided - learn to read nuance FFS.

I swear, it's like talking to a f*cking wall.

Click on my DA2 review it is far from positive. The picture your painting is pure fantasy.  I have posted negative things also about ME3 and a lot about DA2 however this does not mean I cannot also dislike greedy people like the ones I have spoken too.

...and he disregards all of the other points.

I'm impressed by your ability to see that Bioware is not perfect.  Awesome.  As for the "greedy" fans?  It's this simple:

Most of them are not saying that the dlc should be free, nor are they saying that they are expecting it to be.  All they're saying is that any dlc that does not impact the endings isn't going to be worth their money.  And so they probably won't download it.  Yes, it's that easy to understand.   

[Seta Souji]

sadly the thread lost some of it reason to exist because of trolls and flamewars...

quoting the reason Gamble gave about the "why EC was not already in the Release version?" matter:

"We could not have create without the fans feedback"

It's a good argument, although I think everyone who played the game could saw, that the ending arc was rushed, but for that I personally blame EA for rushing the release of the game, and that if they got time they would do a very diferent ending.

And no, I don't believe the next DLC will be free, or should, but I'll only buy it if its adds to the ending, (like a Refusal Ending bonus). Getting a war asset (hopefully not a ghostly one like all the others) that was part of the enemy gotta be good for something, better than two extra lines of dialogue that don't add anything to the outcome of the war.

Regardling the price I believe six bucks is a good price, since we already payed 9 bucks for a in disc DLC, and 10~15 would be a overpriced value unless it has the same level of content and careful of "Lair of the Shadow Broker".

[TheThirdBox]

From now on ill never buy a game without waiting for normal gamers reviews. EA in particular has burned me with a lot of lesser titles. But i will buy the new dlcs for mass effect as long as they are real dlc and not simply a squadmate obvoiusly ripped from a completed game. Im still mad about that. They just flat out tricked me out of ten dollars. But mass effect 3 is the only thing they have that i want. Once they finish mass effect 3 our business will be concluded.

Short answer : Theyll charge and ill buy if its reasonable.

[Ravenmyste]

no it wont be free, they have to make money some how

[Jamie9]

Seta Souji wrote...

sadly the thread lost some of it reason to exist because of trolls and flamewars...

quoting the reason Gamble gave about the "why EC was not already in the Release version?" matter:

"We could not have create without the fans feedback"

It's a good argument, although I think everyone who played the game could saw, that the ending arc was rushed, but for that I personally blame EA for rushing the release of the game, and that if they got time they would do a very diferent ending.

And no, I don't believe the next DLC will be free, or should, but I'll only buy it if its adds to the ending, (like a Refusal Ending bonus). Getting a war asset (hopefully not a ghostly one like all the others) that was part of the enemy gotta be good for something, better than two extra lines of dialogue that don't add anything to the outcome of the war.

Regardling the price I believe six bucks is a good price, since we already payed 9 bucks for a in disc DLC, and 10~15 would be a overpriced value unless it has the same level of content and careful of "Lair of the Shadow Broker".

No spoilers, but it seems like the Leviathan DLC will, in fact, change dialogue in the ending.

[jules_vern18]

Jamie9 wrote...

Seta Souji wrote...

sadly the thread lost some of it reason to exist because of trolls and flamewars...

quoting the reason Gamble gave about the "why EC was not already in the Release version?" matter:

"We could not have create without the fans feedback"

It's a good argument, although I think everyone who played the game could saw, that the ending arc was rushed, but for that I personally blame EA for rushing the release of the game, and that if they got time they would do a very diferent ending.

And no, I don't believe the next DLC will be free, or should, but I'll only buy it if its adds to the ending, (like a Refusal Ending bonus). Getting a war asset (hopefully not a ghostly one like all the others) that was part of the enemy gotta be good for something, better than two extra lines of dialogue that don't add anything to the outcome of the war.

Regardling the price I believe six bucks is a good price, since we already payed 9 bucks for a in disc DLC, and 10~15 would be a overpriced value unless it has the same level of content and careful of "Lair of the Shadow Broker".

No spoilers, but it seems like the Leviathan DLC will, in fact, change dialogue in the ending.

Source?

[Memnon]

jules_vern18 wrote...

I'm impressed by your ability to see that Bioware is not perfect.  Awesome.  As for the "greedy" fans?  It's this simple:

Most of them are not saying that the dlc should be free, nor are they saying that they are expecting it to be.  All they're saying is that any dlc that does not impact the endings isn't going to be worth their money.  And so they probably won't download it.  Yes, it's that easy to understand.   

This is my stance - for the same reason I wouldn't have bought DA2 DLC, I won't buy ME3 DLC unless it impacts the endings. And this is coming from someone who has preordered the collector's edition of the last 3-4 Bioware games. It has nothing to do with greed, I have no problem spending money on a quality product. DA2 and ME3 have been - in my opinion - sub-quality products.

[wantedman dan]

Vinchisters wrote...

Ive been looking through the script of the Leviathan of Dis DLC and have seen that it makes minor (maybe even large) changes to the conversation with the Catalyst at the end of ME3. Since this DLC will (most likely) explain the Reaper's history, motivations and everything else, do you think that EA will allow BW to release this DLC for free too?
Personaly, I believe that releasing this one for free too would be a real attitude changer for many fans towards BW.
Oh yeah, we also would learn the reasons why the citizens of the galaxy are being butchered every 50K years by giant pieces of semi-sentient sushi.

It'd be the only way I download it.

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

...and he disregards all of the other points.

I'm impressed by your ability to see that Bioware is not perfect.  Awesome.  As for the "greedy" fans?  It's this simple:

Most of them are not saying that the dlc should be free, nor are they saying that they are expecting it to be.  All they're saying is that any dlc that does not impact the endings isn't going to be worth their money.  And so they probably won't download it.  Yes, it's that easy to understand.   

Of course I am not going to keep posting a 1, 2, 3, 4 response to every single thing you say, do not be so childish.

Have you noticed not a single time have a said anything mean or questioned the ones who did not say should be free, or ones said should not be free? I have only posed a different opinion towards the ones who said specifically it should be free which accounts for around 2 to 3 people in the entire thread before you got your knickers in a twist and started to bicker with me for the remainder of it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[Temprathe]

No. The freebies we got were reparations for the fans that felt let down by the game's ending. That was Bioware saying "sorry", and EC was them saying, "really, we're sorry, and we're fixing it".

EC's out now, and it was expensive, but it was free. I wouldn't expect any future SP additions to be free. Maybe not even MP additions, although I doubt there will be much more on that front anyhow.

[Jamie9]

jules_vern18 wrote...
Source?

Text files within the Extended Cut. They have some dialogue for the Leviathan DLC.

[Blitzhawk65]

Jamie9 wrote...

No spoilers, but it seems like the Leviathan DLC will, in fact, change dialogue in the ending.

If it changes the ending (either gives the ability to win in a refuse scenario or gives Shepard the tools to fight indoctrination), then I'll buy it.

If it lets you ask starkid another question before he talks about space magic, or just adds a slide of the leviathan hanging out somewhere in the galaxy, then I will not.

[Volc19]

They were probably just keeping everything free because of how angry we were. We wouldn't have payed for anything with Bioware's name on it pre-EC. Now that most everyone is content with the story and Bioware, they'll start charging us for DLC. MP content is a maybe, but I would think that all future SP content will cost a bit more than nothing.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jamie9 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...
Source?

Text files within the Extended Cut. They have some dialogue for the Leviathan DLC.

They only contains slight dialogue snippets. The DLC itself if comes into existance will I am almost positive both pre-ending and limited to mostly a self contained story regarding this Leviathon (meaning won't likely see him in the battle at end). The Lev will probably provide some war asset as token gesture but will be limited to information asset and not allie. I am sure Shepard will be forced to kill it or forced to kill it but I am not sure if will or not (probably a choice). However it will explain all the things the catalyst said did not have time to explain at the ending regarding the creators, first cycle and maybe following cycles, catalyst and itself.

I am 100% certain it will not lead to new ending, whether or not they pad out the current one for reject or not I do not know but if they do then it will more than likely limited to maybe seeing CGI or cutscenes of fleets going down in flames trying to fight conventionally however losing then worlds harvested maybe. Reject = win I think is never going to happen both from what many members of Bioware have said for very long time and including recently.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:44 .

[wantedman dan]

Volc19 wrote...

They were probably just keeping everything free because of how angry we were. We wouldn't have payed for anything with Bioware's name on it pre-EC. Now that most everyone is content with the story and Bioware, they'll start charging us for DLC. MP content is a maybe, but I would think that all future SP content will cost a bit more than nothing.

Were?

[jules_vern18]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

...and he disregards all of the other points.

I'm impressed by your ability to see that Bioware is not perfect.  Awesome.  As for the "greedy" fans?  It's this simple:

Most of them are not saying that the dlc should be free, nor are they saying that they are expecting it to be.  All they're saying is that any dlc that does not impact the endings isn't going to be worth their money.  And so they probably won't download it.  Yes, it's that easy to understand.   

Of course I am not going to keep posting a 1, 2, 3, 4 response to every single thing you say, do not be so childish.

Have you noticed not a single time have a said anything mean or questioned the ones who did not say should be free, or ones said should not be free? I have only posed a different opinion towards the ones who said specifically it should be free which accounts for around 2 to 3 people in the entire thread before you got your knickers in a twist and started to bicker with me for the remainder of it.

"Of course i am not going to keep posting a 1, 2, 3, 4 response to every single thing you say"

Why not?  You've been doing great so far!

And you're right...you haven't said anything mean.  You've just called fans "greedy," "whiny," and posted a cartoon strip ridiculing them.  But I like the "innocent victim who only had a different opinion" angle...it's a nice try.   

But I'm done; this conversation became a dead horse a long time ago.

Also, this.  I don't want to be a jerk, but it's been driving me nuts. 

That is all.

[Ravenmyste]

i dont think it is real it might be something of a after victory notice that balak goes after you spared him so that would mean it would be after since the hegemony is destroyed going by what balak says.

so maybe this after the fight like maybe few years down the line would be good to see since after the ending{ if you picked what  you was going to do} if not then how would change the endings...

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:47 .

[jules_vern18]

Jamie9 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...
Source?

Text files within the Extended Cut. They have some dialogue for the Leviathan DLC.

I skimmed those but didn't see any new Catalyst dialogue - will have to give it a second look

Thanks for the heads up.

[Dragoonlordz]

jules_vern18 wrote...

-snip-

Do you know how silly it is to play the grammar police on forums? Do you think anyone actually puts much effort into what type on such... Seriously?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:50 .

[Jamie9]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

They only contains slight dialogue snippets. The DLC itself if comes into existance will I am almost positive both pre-ending and limited to mostly a self contained story regarding this Leviathon (meaning won't likely see him in the battle at end). The Lev will probably provide some war asset as token gesture but will be limited to information asset and not allie. I am sure Shepard will be forced to kill it or forced to kill it but I am not sure if will or not (probably a choice). However it will explain all the things the catalyst said did not have time to explain at the ending regarding the creators, first cycle and maybe following cycles, catalyst and itself.

I am 100% certain it will not lead to new ending, whether or not they pad out the current one for reject or not I do not know but if they do then it will more than likely limited to maybe seeing CGI or cutscenes of fleets going down in flames trying to fight conventionally however losing then worlds harvested maybe. Reject = win I think is never going to happen both from what many members of Bioware have said for very long time and including recently.

I don't think it'll give a new ending either. That'd be stupid anyway - to add a new ending via $8 DLC (or whatever).

Most likely Shepard may just mention Leviathan to the Catalyst.