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[Rebel_Raven]

Logan Cloud wrote...

There wouldn't be Krogan females as soldiers. When your race is dying out due to lack of fertile females, you don't send them into battle. I figured that much was kind of obvious.

I'd assume not all krogan females are fertile for one. For two, I doubt they would just stay home.

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

The fact is that since the genophage, female Krogan aren't even allowed to leave Tuchanka.

I missed tihs being mentioned somewhere. Where was this said?

[Aethyl]

Yay, more female aliens!

Turian female cabalists, Adept or Vanguard, with roll.
Turian female Infiltrator / Engineer, with roll as well.

It shall happen!

Less likely to see female Krogan fighting tho, even if it's a shame.

[jordie3000]

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

[Aethyl]

jordie3000 wrote...

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

I agree with your concern, let me try to explain a little.

Your last sentence resume why I think a Turian female could be a Vanguard more likely than a male.
Because Biotic charging is way more dangerous when you don't have any dodge to avoid instakills, Kroguard knows it.
Also, Vanguards are the front line of mass effect, so I can assure you, they wouldn't stay in the back as fragile casters.

Same goes with a Female Turian infiltrator, where dodging could come in handy in tight situations.

Also, since they get a roll, they would get their health dropped in the process, making them less likely to be in a heavy armor.
They still would be kicking some serious ass, but with more "finesse" than their male counterpart.

And yeah, Turians biotics are indeed not as frequent as they may be in other races, but they have special units named "Cabal", letting us think they may have enough of them to be considered.

Also, I never said they would be in robe, always in cover, not being able to take out punishments.
I most likely see them with lighter armors, with a more "spec ops" feeling in it than their clunky male counterparts.

Nothing sexist about it, just balance ideas.
I always pictured the female Turians as badass Ass kickers and not as fragile caster, that's why I agree with a Vanguard or an Infiltrator, but not an Adept.

Modifié par Aethyl, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .

[Rebel_Raven]

jordie3000 wrote...

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

I especially agree with number 2. My friend would, too if she were on the forums.  Women shouldn't be relegated to standing back, and casting coz they're frail, especially in Mass effect since they're treated equally.

I get the vibe of number 2 with the responses about Krogan Females, too, in that they shouldn't be out in the front lines coz they'd be squishier, or something. A Krogan female in armor, gleefully meleeing, and mauling people would be grand, IMO.

I'm just trying to not go on a tirade.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:29 .

[Zardoc]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Lore is still not really supporting female krogan being on the unofficial N7 ops teams.

Other species yeah, Krogan not so much.

Either way we're probably getting 6 more humans next DLC anyway.

I don't understand why it is you're saying lore doesn't support it.

Krogans do not have a standard personality set. Anyone that played ME2 (I have, and have no idea how to register the DLC version though, but that's neither here, nor there) knows this.

There is a clan of only women. The women have grown up on the same, rough planet as male krogan, and have to deal with male krogans. They take up all sorts of the same vocations as krogan guys.

Grunt outright says there was atleast one female krogan warlord.

It makes perfect sense to me that some female krogans would decide there's no point in the fertile women having kids if the reapers just kill'em off, along with the rest of the planet, and go out to fight.

I'm not looking at this in a black, and white sense. I'm not going to think of krogan women of having only one role, which is having kids. I'd like to think that krogan socieity is as progressive as the rest of the galaxy in that women would want to do more than be home makers.

Female krogan can fight. That is, however, not the problem. The problem is that they're too valuable to use as troops. They know that, the males know that. Their main concern is breeding, nothing else.

Modifié par Zardoc, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:29 .

[P51Mus7ang]

It would make my day if they brought EDI in.......In SP I really came to like this character, her humor etc.

A Turian as noted would work well also, It would be nice if they had better movement than the males, which I don't understand, Garris was able to.

They could probably add another class of Justicar as well.

[ForThessia]

jordie3000 wrote...

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

vanguard is far from a delicate caster. a female turian vanguard would be the opposite, up in their faces and kicking ass

[Rebel_Raven]

Zardoc wrote...

Female krogan can fight. That is, however, not the problem. The problem is that they're too valuable to use as troops. They know that, the males know that. Their main concern is breeding, nothing else.

The thing is the only valueable female krogans seem to be the fertile ones. The infertile ones would probably not be so guarded, and willing to go out, and put some shotty rounds in the people threatening the future of their people.

[Aethyl]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

jordie3000 wrote...

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

I especially agree with number 2. My friend would, too if she were on the forums.  Women shouldn't be relegated to standing back, and casting coz they're frail, especially in Mass effect since they're treated equally.

I get the vibe of number 2 with the responses about Krogan Females, too, in that they shouldn't be out in the front lines coz they'd be squishier, or something. A Krogan female in armor, gleefully meleeing, and mauling people would be grand, IMO.

I'm just trying to not go on a tirade.

As said precedentely, Vanguards are the very front line of Mass Effect.
That's why I would prefer a female Turian Vanguard over an Adept.

Modifié par Aethyl, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[sliverofamoon]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

1: The latest DLC had -no- women in it. I don't care why it happened, I just don't like it. Simple as that. I won't rant on this.

2: I feel a bit slighted to be blunt. Why?
Male quarians. I know they're not exactly rare, but I felt like the quarians were special being female only in MP up until the recent DLC.  

There's absolutely no reason, IMO to not have a female Phoenix member, and a female Krogan in the next DLC. 

I agree with your first point, but I LOOOOOOOOOVE see'ing the male Quarians running around! I was bummed that the Pheonix class didn't give you the choice between male and female like the regular human models do. Hopefully this is fixed next DLC!

[ForThessia]

sliverofamoon wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

1: The latest DLC had -no- women in it. I don't care why it happened, I just don't like it. Simple as that. I won't rant on this.

2: I feel a bit slighted to be blunt. Why?
Male quarians. I know they're not exactly rare, but I felt like the quarians were special being female only in MP up until the recent DLC.  

There's absolutely no reason, IMO to not have a female Phoenix member, and a female Krogan in the next DLC. 

I agree with your first point, but I LOOOOOOOOOVE see'ing the male Quarians running around! I was bummed that the Pheonix class didn't give you the choice between male and female like the regular human models do. Hopefully this is fixed next DLC!

wouldnt be too hard, just stick a phantom in customization and walah female phoenix

[Zardoc]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Female krogan can fight. That is, however, not the problem. The problem is that they're too valuable to use as troops. They know that, the males know that. Their main concern is breeding, nothing else.

The thing is the only valueable female krogans seem to be the fertile ones. The infertile ones would probably not be so guarded, and willing to go out, and put some shotty rounds in the people threatening the future of their people.

Since all krogan are fertile now (or believe they are) they have no reason to try and do anything but breeding. Sorry, but female krogan ain't happening.

[Rebel_Raven]

Zardoc wrote...

Since all krogan are fertile now (or believe they are) they have no reason to try and do anything but breeding. Sorry, but female krogan ain't happening.

Sorry, I don't accept that as an end all, be all answer. I never will.

See, I'm in the mindset that women can, and will have the desire to litterally fight for their home, and for their people. That not all of them would spend the rest of their lives on their backs. That they don't roll over, and do what ever guys want them to. That they're more than baby machines, and they'd likely see themselves are more than that, too.

Why would they think such things? What's the point of having millions of krogan babies if the reapers win anyhow? They might wanna go stomp some reapers before the reapers get a chance to carpet bomb their homes from space thereby making all this fertility business useless.

[Olivia Wilde]

Only Turian Biotic I recall was Saren

[Rebel_Raven]

Millafan4526 wrote...

Only Turian Biotic I recall was Saren

Turian Biotics are said to be rare, and largely distrusted among Turians. At least as far as the wiki is concerned.

[Bladedrummer]

Quarians make sense because they could easily be on their pilgrimage.

It wouldn't for all other races.

Simple reason:

THERE IS NO "FIREBASE KITCHEN"!!!

[Snoopy1955]

Cyonan wrote...

Female Krogans don't fit lore(In before s***storm on this one)

Sounds like someone didn't spend enough time talking to Eve while she was on the ship in single player.

Krogan females who are adversely effected enough by the genophage become priestess and warrior women to protect the clan because they can't contribute to the re-population effort.

[LDStaredown]

BUT THEN WE NEED A KITCHEN DLC MAP HURRRRRRRRRRRR

[Rebel_Raven]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Female Krogans don't fit lore(In before s***storm on this one)

Sounds like someone didn't spend enough time talking to Eve while she was on the ship in single player.

Krogan females who are adversely effected enough by the genophage become priestess and warrior women to protect the clan because they can't contribute to the re-population effort.

Mentioning Eve was something I wanted to dance around not mentioning, but Eve is a large part of why I'm hoping for female MP krogans. They already have the female krogan model in game. It's probably why geth, and male quarians among others got in. Their models already existed.

[Bladedrummer]

Bladedrummer wrote...

Quarians make sense because they could easily be on their pilgrimage.

It wouldn't for all other races.

Simple reason:

THERE IS NO "FIREBASE KITCHEN"!!!

Naturally, I'm joking. Anyone who would think otherwise doesn't even deserve a reply. Just saying.

[jordie3000]

Aethyl wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

jordie3000 wrote...

The idea of a female turian adept/vanguard/biotic bothers me on two levels.

(1) There aren't a whole lot of turian biotics anyway. Making one specifically biotic is just weird, especially if you don't have one as, say, an infiltrator (e.g., Garrus, though he didn't have cloak).

(2) I might be going out on a limb here, but saying that the female turian should be a biotic is like saying girls only play caster classes and healers in games. There's something about it that seems condescending, like girls can't shoot or take hits. In this game, at least, there's no difference health/ability-wise between the sexes, and making it so that female turians are just flimsy casters who wear robes (so to speak) is a little insulting. If I'm going to play a female turian, I'd like her to be in heavy armor, kicking ass and taking names just like her male counterparts.

I dunno. I feel like we get enough turian biotics with the sentinel's warp. I'm not accusing anyone of sexism, these are just the initial thoughts I had on this topic.

That being said, any female turian had better have a roll. She might not have reach but she's got hells of flexibility and isn't afraid to use it. Aethyl, you are totally right about this.

I especially agree with number 2. My friend would, too if she were on the forums.  Women shouldn't be relegated to standing back, and casting coz they're frail, especially in Mass effect since they're treated equally.

I get the vibe of number 2 with the responses about Krogan Females, too, in that they shouldn't be out in the front lines coz they'd be squishier, or something. A Krogan female in armor, gleefully meleeing, and mauling people would be grand, IMO.

I'm just trying to not go on a tirade.

As said precedentely, Vanguards are the very front line of Mass Effect.
That's why I would prefer a female Turian Vanguard over an Adept.

If indeed we had to have a turian who's more biotic than the rest, I guess a vanguard would be the way to go. I'm just against the idea of a very biotic turian. On the one hand, it'd be cool to see, but on the other... it's just weird. There aren't a lot of biotic turians! There was Kaidan's trainer, and there was Saren (sort of - the times he uses biotic abilities seem to be mostly as plot devices in cut scenes, he doesn't use them consistently in battle). 

That people think "oh, turian female, she's got to be a biotic" just makes the egalitarian in me cringe a little. One reason I never got into Brink was because it was a sausagefest, and I've been spoiled by Mass Effect's equal opportunity butt-kicking. 

[Adhok42]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Female Krogans don't fit lore(In before s***storm on this one)

Sounds like someone didn't spend enough time talking to Eve while she was on the ship in single player.

Krogan females who are adversely effected enough by the genophage become priestess and warrior women to protect the clan because they can't contribute to the re-population effort.

Very true.

As for not sending them to fight, it would be considered a very risky buisness to attack a female clan where fertile and non-fertile are mixed together. How do you know you're killing only the sterlie ones and not a fertile one?

The Price is Too Damn High! XD

But in all seriousness the cost of raiding a camp where you can't tell who's fertile and who isn't without volenteer testing or capturing everybody for testing(which is far more costly) would really be too high for a species trying to extend their lifespan before extinion. We call this in the Military a "Ruse". Tricking and confusing the enemy into reconsidering attacking a position that's too heavily fortified and that the Risk is greater then the Gain.

Obviously this doesn't work on the Reapers but protecting the fertile females is far more important then risking your life to attack in an offensive manner could leave your charges at risk for some rather oppertunistic raiders.