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[SunglareAK]

I hope there isn't a slider to turn off the gore. To many years of fantasy games involving swords and magic and no blood what so ever, to cater to the kids; and to parents who don't pay attention to what their kids play.

Bioware has come out with a game "DARK FANTASY" geared towards adults and the reason people are against the toning down in blood is because we are sick of our games getting created for PG13 or edited to hell because of the easily offended. This is Biowares' game and the art direction they wanted to take it. You don't like it, don't play it.

I'm sick of all the Jack Thompsons attacking games. PC and consule games are entertainment just like movies and bokos yet they get censored the hardest because of the fricken stereotype that games are for kids. Games are targetted more for adults these days and parents who don't pay attention need to wake up and stop buying these games for their kids.

[Taltherion]

If Bioware needs gallons of blood to have a game that is NOT PG13, I pitiy Bioware and DAO will indeed be the last game I bought from them.
If a game for adults only is a game for adults because it has lots of blood (and sex) it's a poor game for adults.
Dark Fantasy ... if the amount of blood makes or breaks "dark fantasy" it's not really dark fantasy.

DAO contains sex - even gay sex. It contains probably strong language, a lot of violence (even without blood, there would be a high degree of it), I hope it contains a lot of morally difficult decisions ... all that makes it a game for adults. And I don't object to strong language, sex, a certain amount of violence and difficult decisions - so clearly I'm not somebody who wants games only for kids.

If you had cared to read through the thread, you might have noticed that there are quite different reasons for being opposed to the amount of blood - and kids watching their dad play was only mentioned once.
Most people mention that it's too much - too much because it's unrealistic. Bioware tried to create a dark fantasy world and here we are with blood effects like from a bad hollywood movie. Again: it's unrealistic ... so unrealistic it's almost comical. And that detracts from what Bioware said they wanted to accomplish.

Playing Fallout 3 I found the amount of gore and blood you got from headshots in the VAT-mode got stale after a very short time.

As for the advice "you don't like it, don't play it" ... I doubt Bioware would agree, as that would mean quite a number of sales less. Furthermore, I would be stupid to not try the game because of one thing I don't like about it (well, reading up on DLC and NPC vendors in game might lead to another thing I don't like). If I indeed find that the blood spoils my enjoyment of the game, I'll either use the toggle (if there is one ... I really hope so, just for your sake, because then I can throw the "if you don't like it, don't play it" right back at you) - or I'll wait for a mod.
If Bioware keeps insisting on adding unrealistic, almost cartoonish amounts of blood to their games, they might indeed lose me as a customer - which of course would not hurt them too much ... but there might be more people who think like me.

It's also interesting to note how intolerant people like you are. People here are just saying they hope there is a toggle/slider or the chance of modding the exaggerated amount of blood out, to rectify maybe one of the few things they don't like about the came - nobody advocated censoring the game, nobody wanted to take anything away from your enjoyment of the game - you can have all the blood you want. But you not only want to have all the blood - you want to force everybody to have all that blood - no matter if everybody enjoys it or not.

Modifié par Taltherion, 01 novembre 2009 - 12:36 .

[SunglareAK]

Taltherion wrote...

If Bioware needs gallons of blood to have a game that is NOT PG13, I pitiy Bioware and DAO will indeed be the last game I bought from them.
If a game for adults only is a game for adults because it has lots of blood (and sex) it's a poor game for adults.
Dark Fantasy ... if the amount of blood makes or breaks "dark fantasy" it's not really dark fantasy.

DAO contains sex - even gay sex. It contains probably strong language, a lot of violence (even without blood, there would be a high degree of it), I hope it contains a lot of morally difficult decisions ... all that makes it a game for adults. And I don't object to strong language, sex, a certain amount of violence and difficult decisions - so clearly I'm not somebody who wants games only for kids.

If you had cared to read through the thread, you might have noticed that there are quite different reasons for being opposed to the amount of blood - and kids watching their dad play was only mentioned once.
Most people mention that it's too much - too much because it's unrealistic. Bioware tried to create a dark fantasy world and here we are with blood effects like from a bad hollywood movie. Again: it's unrealistic ... so unrealistic it's almost comical. And that detracts from what Bioware said they wanted to accomplish.

Playing Fallout 3 I found the amount of gore and blood you got from headshots in the VAT-mode got stale after a very short time.

As for the advice "you don't like it, don't play it" ... I doubt Bioware would agree, as that would mean quite a number of sales less. Furthermore, I would be stupid to not try the game because of one thing I don't like about it (well, reading up on DLC and NPC vendors in game might lead to another thing I don't like). If I indeed find that the blood spoils my enjoyment of the game, I'll either use the toggle (if there is one ... I really hope so, just for your sake, because then I can throw the "if you don't like it, don't play it" right back at you) - or I'll wait for a mod.
If Bioware keeps insisting on adding unrealistic, almost cartoonish amounts of blood to their games, they might indeed lose me as a customer - which of course would not hurt them too much ... but there might be more people who think like me.

It's also interesting to note how intolerant people like you are. People here are just saying they hope there is a toggle/slider or the chance of modding the exaggerated amount of blood out, to rectify maybe one of the few things they don't like about the came - nobody advocated censoring the game, nobody wanted to take anything away from your enjoyment of the game - you can have all the blood you want. But you not only want to have all the blood - you want to force everybody to have all that blood - no matter if everybody enjoys it or not.

If you bothered to read the thread then you would of noticed that somebody pointed out the blood amount isn't an unrealistic amount. I've seen all the same screenshots and videos you have. THe blood sprays aren't that bad. The screenshot for the assasin attack another guys armpit actually doesn't have that much blood, it's just spread out dropplets of blood. it doesn't even look like there is enough blood there to fill an 8oz glass.

You want to talk about tolerance? I've had to tolerate over a decade of games gettting censored(butchered) because people get offeneded or it's to much for them to handle. Bioware needs posters like me to tell them what they are doing is okay. If all they see are posts by people "too much blood" then they might not make anything like Dragon Age down the line.

I really don't like it when people toss out the parent excuse. Being a parent is a huge responbility and it will change your life. You will have to make sacrafices, but there are ways around it. All my friends are dads and they manage to find the time to do the things they "enjoy" be it a game their kids shouldn't see or time with the wife without exposing their kids to it.  

And yes i did read through the thread. The only real issue is not the amount of blood but the armor vs location vs amount of blood if there should be any at all conversation, but if your attacking a guy in plate armor and your doing damage to him then you must be wounding him some how. So if he's getting wounded there is going to be blood. Has anybody seen a screenshot of a guy in plate not taking damage and still bleeding?

Modifié par SunglareAK, 01 novembre 2009 - 06:00 .

[mikey3k]

I like the blood the way it is personally.

[Taltherion]

SunglareAK wrote...
If you bothered to read the thread then you would of noticed that somebody pointed out the blood amount isn't an unrealistic amount. I've seen all the same screenshots and videos you have. THe blood sprays aren't that bad. The screenshot for the assasin attack another guys armpit actually doesn't have that much blood, it's just spread out dropplets of blood. it doesn't even look like there is enough blood there to fill an 8oz glass.

You want to talk about tolerance? I've had to tolerate over a decade of games gettting censored(butchered) because people get offeneded or it's to much for them to handle. Bioware needs posters like me to tell them what they are doing is okay. If all they see are posts by people "too much blood" then they might not make anything like Dragon Age down the line.

I really don't like it when people toss out the parent excuse. Being a parent is a huge responbility and it will change your life. You will have to make sacrafices, but there are ways around it. All my friends are dads and they manage to find the time to do the things they "enjoy" be it a game their kids shouldn't see or time with the wife without exposing their kids to it.  

And yes i did read through the thread. The only real issue is not the amount of blood but the armor vs location vs amount of blood if there should be any at all conversation, but if your attacking a guy in plate armor and your doing damage to him then you must be wounding him some how. So if he's getting wounded there is going to be blood. Has anybody seen a screenshot of a guy in plate not taking damage and still bleeding?

Oh, I have read the thread ... and even done some research. If you have read my previous posts, you have noticed that there is NO WAY a sword slash could even penetrate a plate breastplate, probably not even chainmail. So if you want to talk realism, then the blood is unrealistic as armored opponents would not even get a scratch through most of the attacks shown in the videos. These blood spurts might happen if an unarmored opponent was struck by a sword, though not everytime as you would have to hit a vein/arterie.
Side note: looking at pictures of Spanish toreros killing bulls with a sword ... even unarmored opponents might only very rarely bleed that much.

Further research: You can find a picture/story of a sword accident on the internet (
http://www.sword-buy...d-fighting.html). Somebody was not careful and swung the sword into his own leg .. the report says he lost 6 pints of blood - but it seems this was the total blood loss, not only the blood loss when the weapon hit the leg.


If you're attacking a buy in plate armor and you want to do damage, you have to use a heavy blunt weapon. The armor will not really be penetrated, but the velocity of the attack will cause broken bones / internal (!) bleeding and so on. As no outside wound is caused and the armor does not have a hole in it, no blood spurts would happen.

I have not used the parent excuse - I have two kids myself and they are not old enough to play Dragon Age with or without blood - period. The blood in itself would not make any difference in my decision concerning them playing the game - if they are old enough to understand and deal with sexuality, murder (with or without blood, does not really matter) and all the other things in the game, they are old enough to play it, blood or no blood.

So I'm not advocating no/less blood because I'm thinking censorship/protecting kids ... where I live, the game is rated "18". I think that's fine. I'm advocating less blood because I find it unrealistic and it takes away from my enjoyment of the game.

Why does this game need the blood? Don't you think the general theme of the game, the (gay) romances, the difficult moral choices (I hope there are some) are adult enough? I personally find that this exaggerated, cheap use of blood demeans the game and makes it more juvenile than adult. Tastes differ, and that's why folks like me would like a toggle/slider ... if your taste is blood, you can have it. If this amount of blood takes away from my enjoyment of the game - why not give me such a toggle?
This is not censorship - if you want to see the blood, you still can. Best, give me a slider because I also "want" (bad expression, but as a non-native English-speaker  ...) to see some blood - just not those in my eyes laughable, juvenile, unrealistic fountains.

[gewthenKartoga]

I may be too difficult to determine which part of the body was hit to render the correct amount of blood spatter. Blood does geyser out of severed major arteries for 2-3 seconds (or longer, mainly depending on the side of the person) in real life. In 1-2 minutes later the person, would be dead, which isn't the case. The bleeding wound mechanic doesn't exist in DA. So yeah, the blood effects are unrealistic.

[Draelorn]

I think some here are confusing Dark Fantasy with copious use of blood and gore. Dark Fantasy has more to do with theme. Now I'm all for blood and gore used in a way that fits the dark theme, not in a way geared toward a younger crowd. I realize the Bioware were limited in what they could do in the game, but I wish they went for "disturbing" rather than "exciting" in their treatment of wounds.

[Apocolypse09]

Not every gamer is 13 yo stuff the kids more adult content please

[Cutter69]

There isn't enough blood! I want to see blood and guts and gore and veins in my teeth as I rip open throats with my teeth! People should be drenched in blood and gobbets of flesh and bone!

[Varenus Luckmann]

Rezylarap wrote...

I don't find the blood that exaggerated. The human body has almost 2 galons of blood. The amount of blood seem pretty realistic to me. Of course I've never actually seen a person get stabbed with a a sword, i'm guessing neither have any of you

Yes. The body contains a lot of blood. But when you get stabbed or mauled, it doesn't BURST from your body. It pours. And you can feel it pouring in the "wrong" direction. It's not a pleasant feeling.

Blood exploding from your body in fountains is far from realistic.

[Ninjaphrog]

I have to agree with that this game is WAAAY too much about the bloodiness...



The logo of the game is blood...the logo of the devs is blood...the characters soaked in blood in what seems to have been a minor fist fight...blood gushing out like a fountain after a simple stab to the shoulder...



The devs DEFFINATELY overdid the blood thing to the point of making it lame.

[zzenn]

So.... Killing people left and right is okay, but seeing blood is not?



Lol, why not simply remake the game into the "Fluffy Bunny Age". Blood is natural and if you think real sword fights are bloodless, you might need a reality check Limbs get hacked, innards spill, arteries get severed. That usually results in copious amounts of blood and other bodily fluids.

[Ninjaphrog]

zzenn wrote...

So.... Killing people left and right is okay, but seeing blood is not?

Lol, why not simply remake the game into the "Fluffy Bunny Age". Blood is natural and if you think real sword fights are bloodless, you might need a reality check Limbs get hacked, innards spill, arteries get severed. That usually results in copious amounts of blood and other bodily fluids.

You miss understand.

Killing people left and right IS okay, and so is blood.

But are you just turned on by a gush of blood, or do you not agree atleast a little bit that a Kill Bill style gush of blood from a rather small cut on the arm is alittle overexagerated?

[The Dead Milkman]

the only thing that's more exxagerated than the blood in this game and in kill bill for that matter, is the amount of blood you people THINK is coming out of a "small" wound.

[wearyvagrant]

QuanziZ wrote...

I agree with the "too much blood" camp. Lately the marketing for Bioware games seems to be aimed at prepubescent boys   I understand that they want to pull in a new market, but all of the focus on heavy metal, unnecessary violence, and "oh man this $%*@ is HARDCORE!!!11!!1" is a pretty big turn off for me <_<

Yeah, it is pretty ridiculous. I understand they want to hit a “new” audience but going about it this way seems totally bizarre to me. When the “new” audience gets the game they will probably say, “wtf”, as it won’t be the heavy metal gore-fest the ads seem to want to make it out to be. Nor will it be the way over the top combat and story style of some of the eastern console RPGs like FF or Chrono Cross.


It’ll be a great story based RPG. But it’ll be a PC game with a PC plot. And even though it’ll come out on consoles it’ll still be a PC RPG. Nothing wrong with that I’m just sayin’.


It doesn’t turn me off buying the game at all. I know the game will be good. Bioware hasn’t let me down yet. I just think this marketing campaign has been pretty comical. I just watched a toolset video and even it ended with the heavy metal. I mean seriously.:innocent:

I play console RPGs btw so that wasn’t a dig.

Modifié par wearyvagrant, 02 novembre 2009 - 12:02 .

[UnbalancedKhaos]

I myself like the blood, I think many people are looking into a bit too much.

[PaladinBL]

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

I really, really dislike all that blood. I don't like the blood dragon logo and that sound of it. It may make the game less enjoyable for me.

Same here.
I too have concerns about blood amount in this game.
Trailers are more turn off than turn on for me.

[LdyShayna]

Hmm...this seems to have just degraded into an argument about the topic. If you want to discuss this in the toolset forum, do try not to judge other people for what they prefer in their game, and instead on whether/how this can be modded.