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[TMA LIVE]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I found one for you DinoSteve http://www.melindasn...og/bad-guys.html

Skimmed it. Don't really agree. I think that's just the case of someone wanting an expected formula.

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

I was in pure awe of the fact that it was Leonard Nimoy. I couldn't care less about the design. lol.

Yeah, I love Nimoy. I was in awe when he appeared on Fringe (sci-fi TV show if you're not aware).

He just has the best voice.

I <3 Fringe with all of my heart.

I am thrilled Fox is allowing it to have a graceful death. Rare for Fox Broadcasting.

[Jamie9]

wantedman dan wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

I was in pure awe of the fact that it was Leonard Nimoy. I couldn't care less about the design. lol.

Yeah, I love Nimoy. I was in awe when he appeared on Fringe (sci-fi TV show if you're not aware).

He just has the best voice.

I <3 Fringe with all of my heart.

I am thrilled Fox is allowing it to have a graceful death. Rare for Fox Broadcasting.

A fellow Fringe fan!! 

I was surprised it got a season 4, much less a season 5. Very, very glad it's gonna have an ending. It's nice when a show ends and it knows it's ending. That seems to be rarer and rarer these days in TV.

And I seem to be in the minority when I say I'm glad it's a shorter 13-episode season. Every episode is gonna be so juicy, I just know it. Full of Fringey goodness.

[Seryl]

chemiclord wrote...

I'm mildly amused that a writer for a series that was one of the most gregarious abusers of "space magic" in the history of media is presuming to correct Mass Effect's use of "space magic."

That said, I'll probably give the idea a look. Can't be worse than what Bioware ran with.

Space Magic is forgivable in Star Trek because the series had it there from the very beginning. It doesn't break the established rules of the narrative.

Space Magic is not forgivable in Mass Effect because it was NEVER present before the end. Every piece of technology that was shown was given a painstaking description about how it used the mass effect/eezo in order to operate. Even "biotics" was given a description for how it worked that still used eezo and didn't rely on only handwaving (it stretched things a bit, but we got space mages, so ...).

But the Catalyst? The Destroy and Control endings could make sense inside the universe's rules. They stretch the rules a bit, but they don't break them. Synthesis has no basis in in game lore. Combining all organic life with synthetics to create a new "DNA" can't be explained via eezo or by existing, demonstrated tech. It breaks the established rules of the universe in half. It can't be reconciled, so suspension of disbelief is gone.

Somebody in another thread made the point that the end of the story is not the time to be creating new rules in a world. If you want Space Magic, it should be included in the first part of the story. That way, the audience will accept it as part of the universe. If it's not, it looks like poor writing.

[English Cooper]

I think her blog about bad guys really boils down too.. if you put them in decide on what thier motivation is before the last five minutes of the book/movie/game.

From what I have seen around here and I may be wrong please forgive me if I am, the writers of Mass Effect didn't really have a set plan regarding why the Reapers are doing the things they do... (I read something somewhere about Dark Energy I may be wrong)

Anyway the glowing starkid made me feel like they wrote the game got to the last five minutes and said "Ooops we never explained why the Reapers harvest every 50 thousand years.'

[Master Xanthan]

kyban wrote...

They need to pay Drew Karpyshyn like 8 million big ones to come back and save this bad boy

This.

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

A fellow Fringe fan!! 

I was surprised it got a season 4, much less a season 5. Very, very glad it's gonna have an ending. It's nice when a show ends and it knows it's ending. That seems to be rarer and rarer these days in TV.

And I seem to be in the minority when I say I'm glad it's a shorter 13-episode season. Every episode is gonna be so juicy, I just know it. Full of Fringey goodness.

I am a Fringe-cultist, yes. And proud of it.

I'm tickled to death they got a season 5. Season 4 was kind of lack-luster in comparison to the rest. And it seems to me they hinted at the storyline with the mysterious episode 19.

[Jamie9]

wantedman dan wrote...

I am a Fringe-cultist, yes. And proud of it.

I'm tickled to death they got a season 5. Season 4 was kind of lack-luster in comparison to the rest. And it seems to me they hinted at the storyline with the mysterious episode 19.

We got more David Robert Jones, who I love. Although I really miss the Blue-verse, I was happily surprised with how the Amber-verse turned out. At the beggining of season 4, all our characters were depressed and in a bad situation, whereas at the end they're all happy.

They basically did Seasons 1-3 but condensed it, I felt.

I really wish they'd aired episode 19 as the finale. It really bugged me that it spoiled things, if you know what I mean. But, yeah, I also hope we get some 2036 stuff. Henrietta was awesome!

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

We got more David Robert Jones, who I love. Although I really miss the Blue-verse, I was happily surprised with how the Amber-verse turned out. At the beggining of season 4, all our characters were depressed and in a bad situation, whereas at the end they're all happy.

They basically did Seasons 1-3 but condensed it, I felt.

I really wish they'd aired episode 19 as the finale. It really bugged me that it spoiled things, if you know what I mean. But, yeah, I also hope we get some 2036 stuff. Henrietta was awesome!

Agreed about Jones. He was a good character, if not only to be revealed as a pawn.

I wouldn't be surprised if it goes back to being the Blue-verse now, considering the revelation that it was Peter's timeline to begin with.

And yes, Henrietta is pretty much the culmination of everything badass about Peter AND Olivia. How could she not be awesome?

[mauro2222]

English Cooper wrote...

I think her blog about bad guys really boils down too.. if you put them in decide on what thier motivation is before the last five minutes of the book/movie/game.

From what I have seen around here and I may be wrong please forgive me if I am, the writers of Mass Effect didn't really have a set plan regarding why the Reapers are doing the things they do... (I read something somewhere about Dark Energy I may be wrong)

Anyway the glowing starkid made me feel like they wrote the game got to the last five minutes and said "Ooops we never explained why the Reapers harvest every 50 thousand years.'

And you're right, that's why the ending is not only thematically incoherent but also destroy everything they told to that moment. The EC was Bioware trying to save such a bad writing, the only thing they did was to make the Catalyst sound insane.

[Jamie9]

wantedman dan wrote...

Agreed about Jones. He was a good character, if not only to be revealed as a pawn.

I wouldn't be surprised if it goes back to being the Blue-verse now, considering the revelation that it was Peter's timeline to begin with.

And yes, Henrietta is pretty much the culmination of everything badass about Peter AND Olivia. How could she not be awesome?

At first, the way they dealt with Jones annoyed me, but I look at it differently now. I like to think Jones knew he would die, as Bell said, "You must recognise what is most precious, and in that moment, be able to sacrifice it."

All Jones wanted was to be admired by Bell. And in that moment, Jones was the most important thing to Bell. Poetic, but I believe Jones did what he did deliberately. He got what he wanted. He was the Bishop. 

This is Fringe. It could go anywhere. Observer-verse is pretty certain. I personally think we'll see 2015, the year of the Purge (the Observers first arrive). Dunno if they'd have that be blue or amber.

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Agreed about Jones. He was a good character, if not only to be revealed as a pawn.

I wouldn't be surprised if it goes back to being the Blue-verse now, considering the revelation that it was Peter's timeline to begin with.

And yes, Henrietta is pretty much the culmination of everything badass about Peter AND Olivia. How could she not be awesome?

At first, the way they dealt with Jones annoyed me, but I look at it differently now. I like to think Jones knew he would die, as Bell said, "You must recognise what is most precious, and in that moment, be able to sacrifice it."

All Jones wanted was to be admired by Bell. And in that moment, Jones was the most important thing to Bell. Poetic, but I believe Jones did what he did deliberately. He got what he wanted. He was the Bishop. 

This is Fringe. It could go anywhere. Observer-verse is pretty certain. I personally think we'll see 2015, the year of the Purge (the Observers first arrive). Dunno if they'd have that be blue or amber.

All in all, I'm excited to see if they can top the House finale.

I legitimately cried during that. 

[Bill Casey]

AtlasMickey wrote...
 
Melinda M. Snodgrass was the writer for the classic episode "Measure of Man" which contains Picard's court room speech arguing for Data's independence.

Heck Yes

[Jamie9]

wantedman dan wrote...

All in all, I'm excited to see if they can top the House finale.

I legitimately cried during that. 

Believe it or not, I've only seen it's first season. I really need to buy the DVDs or something.

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

Believe it or not, I've only seen it's first season. I really need to buy the DVDs or something.

Looking back, it's certainly interesting how it evolved from a medical drama to a pseudo-psychological, character-driven comedyrama.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:07 .

[Cant Planet]

Mass Effect uses the difference between organic and synthetic life as a major theme. We get to see EDI becoming more individualized. And Legion flat out asks the core question "Does this unit have a soul?"

Then, at the ending of the game, the option that would normally be the most attractive choice -- you destroy your enemy, and maybe you also get to live -- becomes complicated by the knowledge that you will be wiping out "synthetic life".

So now you have to think about it. Did you really accept the argument about synthetic life being equal in value to organic life? It's easy to say Yes when there are no consequences, but now the consequences are severe.

If it's still Yes for you, you have to choose one of the other ways, each of which has its own consequences. You get to decide. In fact, you have to decide.

Hell, they even soften the blow by heavily implying that synthetic life can be reconstituted. One of the explicit advantages of synthetic life in the story is that it isn't platform-specific, it can move itself around to some degree without being locked into its physical location. So it's even possible that the consciousnesses of the synthetics can be revived and restored to what they were.

If anything, ME3 offers a very mature position on the synthetic life question, because instead of telling you what's right, it presents evidence and leaves it to you to decide. And it isn't as simple a question as some people make it out to be.

If potentially wiping out the Geth and all other AIs is an unacceptable sacrifice for you, then Control and Synthesis are available. Or you can head back to the bench and let the next cycle take care of it.

But I suppose that still isn't acceptable, because it's not an I Won Everything option.

Modifié par Cant Planet, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:10 .

[Bill Casey]

Cant Planet wrote...

If it's still Yes for you, you have to choose one of the other ways

No you don't...
If Destroy killed all humans I would still pick it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:10 .

[Jamie9]

wantedman dan wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Believe it or not, I've only seen it's first season. I really need to buy the DVDs or something.

Looking back, it's certainly interesting how it evolved from a medical drama to a pseudo-psychological, character-driven comedyrama.

They realised just how amazing their main character was so decided to focus their entire plot on him. Seems reasonable. 

[Cant Planet]

Bill Casey wrote...

Cant Planet wrote...

If it's still Yes for you, you have to choose one of the other ways

No you don't...

True, you could shut the game off. But if you want to continue to the end, you do.

[clos]

How DARE she challenge ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!

PS: To be honest, scrapping this whole EC would have been a million times better than the crap they gave us. Almost nything would have been better than the original ending so people are just happy in comparison. However, the EC is not the ending ME3 deserved. It should have been Epic, a combination of ME1/2 endings x 10. Instead, it went from horrendous to at best...meh kinda feeling.

[wantedman dan]

Jamie9 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Believe it or not, I've only seen it's first season. I really need to buy the DVDs or something.

Looking back, it's certainly interesting how it evolved from a medical drama to a pseudo-psychological, character-driven comedyrama.

They realised just how amazing their main character was so decided to focus their entire plot on him. Seems reasonable. 

Heh. That's pretty much it.

And it worked like hell for eight amazing years, with an amazing, in-character finale to boot.

[Bill Casey]

Cant Planet wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Cant Planet wrote...

If it's still Yes for you, you have to choose one of the other ways

No you don't...

True, you could shut the game off. But if you want to continue to the end, you do.

I would pick Destroy if it killed ten races...
This is the magnitude of the threat the galaxy faces and has faced for countless cycles...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:17 .

[Cant Planet]

Bill Casey wrote...

Cant Planet wrote...

If it's still Yes for you, you have to choose one of the other ways

No you don't...
If Destroy killed all humans I would still pick it...

You ninja-editor, you.

I agree with that position. If it was some weird scenario where Destroy somehow sabotaged the Genophage cure and would wipe out the Krogan, for example, I'd still choose it too. And it would still be painful.

[chuckles471]

What if one of the writers is a huge Star Trek fan?

That would be like a kick to the quads, your peer pretty much saying you shouldn't be trusted with a keyboard.

[wantedman dan]

chuckles471 wrote...

What if one of the writers is a huge Star Trek fan?

That would be like a kick to the quads, your peer pretty much saying you shouldn't be trusted with a keyboard.

As it should be.

It should be much less hurtful, however, than when your very own FANS say it.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .