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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Synthesis gave everyone the green kool-aid and made a utopia with essentially a Galaxy State. EDI hints that death is soon to be no more, the reapers are no longer feared and they helped to rebuild. When I watched this ending, I noticed there was no cheering that the war was over. Just more of a WTF is happening? EDI and the Geth are now alive. The reapers are now alive. But what about everyone else? What about everything else? What about the bears? What about wildlife? And this was passed off as "the best?" This deprives people the opportunity to learn to overcome their cultural differences and to learn from one another. There will be a surge of knowledge, but culture will stagnate. Welcome to the Brave New World.

Refusal of all sends the Catalyst to the "Else continue" line in the program. That one however is the only one that allows Shepard to really remain true, but given the circumstances also makes Shepard a ****** if Shepard chooses it. Control is simply ominous.

The lack of the ability to achieve a conventional victory leaves only Destroy to allow self-determination at the price of perhaps the Geth and other AIs around the galaxy.

The reason for the sequence: Rebuilding --> Memorial --> Breath in the destroy ending is Art. Breath and Rebuild should switch places.

BioWare writers could have been a lot more creative with the story than they were. I think Shepard's story ended in this installment for one reason: 2013. That's right. In December 2013 the new consoles are coming out. They needed to wrap it up. Hence the Crucible. I'm just guessing here, but if they'd not tweeted stuff like "oh and by the way the reapers started their journey immediately after ME1" after ME2 was released and done a bunch of retconning like or "Arrival" that Shepard's story would have needed to go more than 3 games -- ME3 would not have been a reaper invasion. I also think it was getting difficult to write with the variables being carried forward, and I think they wanted to get out of that. That's just an opinion. Take it for what it is.

[loungeshep]

Stornskar wrote...

Eluril wrote...

So I see you're one of the "Conventional victory" people. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Bioware from the beginning described ME as "Jack Bauer in Space". To me it was consistent throughout the games including the ending. You are given power over the galaxy and its future but each choice involves sacrificing yourself or others or both to achieve it. The world is not perfect and neither is the ME universe. You may want Ewoks dancing and a medal ceremony, but I don't.

I don't remember Jack Bauer having dominion over the entire human race via Skynet in the 24 series finale ... maybe my memory is just fuzzy ...

That would've made the last season of 24 better.

[Psychlonus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I never enjoyed Star Trek, so no thank you.

impossible.

[Twinzam.V]

loungeshep wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Eluril wrote...

So I see you're one of the "Conventional victory" people. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Bioware from the beginning described ME as "Jack Bauer in Space". To me it was consistent throughout the games including the ending. You are given power over the galaxy and its future but each choice involves sacrificing yourself or others or both to achieve it. The world is not perfect and neither is the ME universe. You may want Ewoks dancing and a medal ceremony, but I don't.

I don't remember Jack Bauer having dominion over the entire human race via Skynet in the 24 series finale ... maybe my memory is just fuzzy ...

That would've made the last season of 24 better.

Jack Bauer. You have 3 choices. Control, synthesis or destroy.
Control will give control over the terrorists.
Synthesis merges everyone with the terrorists.
Destroy will let loose Michael Bay (explosions included).

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[AtlasMickey]

Actually, I wouldn't call myself a fan of Star Trek either. Even though I've seen every episode an average of three or four times, lol. It's from an older time. It ignores the Singularity. It ignores economics. It assumes we'll become a society of galactic do-gooders. It promotes cultural relativism.

I'm still going to buy the TNG first season blu-ray when it comes out on July 24th, though, and drive 50 miles to see a theatrical screening the day before, including a preview of "Measure of Man" which may see an extended cut that's 20 minutes longer in the season 2 blu-ray! That's why I happened on Melinda's blog, lol.

[Tazzmission]

i hope they get her to do that deleted trial scene from the game regarding shepard

[SpamBot2000]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Actually, I wouldn't call myself a fan of Star Trek either. Even though I've seen every episode an average of three or four times, lol. It's from an older time. It ignores the Singularity. It ignores economics. It assumes we'll become a society of galactic do-gooders. It promotes cultural relativism.

I'm still going to buy the TNG first season blu-ray when it comes out on July 24th, though, and drive 50 miles to see a theatrical screening the day before, including a preview of "Measure of Man" which may see an extended cut that's 20 minutes longer in the season 2 blu-ray! That's why I happened on Melinda's blog, lol.

Whoa, I wonder what you're like about stuff you are a fan of.

[Eluril]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Actually, I wouldn't call myself a fan of Star Trek either. Even though I've seen every episode an average of three or four times, lol. It's from an older time. It ignores the Singularity. It ignores economics. It assumes we'll become a society of galactic do-gooders. It promotes cultural relativism.

I'm still going to buy the TNG first season blu-ray when it comes out on July 24th, though, and drive 50 miles to see a theatrical screening the day before, including a preview of "Measure of Man" which may see an extended cut that's 20 minutes longer in the season 2 blu-ray! That's why I happened on Melinda's blog, lol.

LOL what the.....

[Apathy1989]

If you like plotholes, you will love Star Trek.


Joking aside, I'm reading her posts. Hilarious how much hate she has for ME3, most of it justified, alot of it condescending.

[3DandBeyond]

Apathy1989 wrote...

If you like plotholes, you will love Star Trek.


Joking aside, I'm reading her posts. Hilarious how much hate she has for ME3, most of it justified, alot of it condescending.

And nothing about the ME3 endings (EC) was at all condescending.  Point being, we paid for ME3.  You can read or not read her blog for free.

A lot of the new dialogue choices are extremely patronizing.  Refuse is totally a middle finger to fans.  I often write things that are condescending about ME3.  How long did it take for them to fix something they denied even existed-the need to play MP to get all endings?  And they repeatedly made up stuff about it.  At first, it wasn't true and you could get all endings without it.  Can you even guess how much time people spent searching for how this could be done?  Then, they ignored it for a long time.  Then, they stated that questions about it should be in the technical help sections as if it was a bug, but never said it was.  The just kept locking threads about it.  Then, they said it was a bug and so on.  And that's just one issue.  What's not to be condescending about?

With the original ending and now the EC, they are treating fans like we are stupid and even worse.  I daresay that most of us that have played all 3 games, never looked at ME as being COD in space.  The combat of ME could have been better and things needed refining, sure.  But, in the ending of ME3 they have fully shown what they want us, as fans to be.  They don't want us to use our brains but don't want us to be adrenaline junkies either.  But, they want us to think they have actually satisfied both when they satisfied neither.  The ending requires that you DON'T think and that you DON'T want lots of cool explosions, but they want you to believe you've been treated to Stephen Hawking's latest theory of dark energy and awesome visual battles. 

I can see why this doesn't fully satisfy because it is pseudo intellectual at a point where it should be character driven and action oriented, made to feel truly intellectual and character driven and action oriented.  It's a mess.

The EC includes the appearance of some choice but you are only choosing explanation.  It's a drop your controller and listen type ending.  I hate that in games and certainly don't like it at the end of a game about real choice-not the choice of getting an explanation or getting to the ending.  Condescenson from a sci fi writer works for me.

[Apathy1989]

Hey I agree, and its pretty nice to hear ME get burned by someone who knows what she is talking about.

[RenegonSQ]

Who the **** cares? The game is over.

[3DandBeyond]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Who the **** cares? The game is over.

The game as it is is over, but the intent is there to try and whittle away at the money in our pockets.  They have indicated all along that what is over is not necessarily over.  The original "buy some DLC" screen said as much that even Shepard wasn't done with since ME3 wasn't totally over (more ME3 DLC was always in the works which could have included Shepard content).

In fact, there is more evidence of this in data mined content within the EC on the Leviathans.  Maybe if they hadn't included that the EC could have actually had closure for every choice, stupid though they were.

So, it ain't over till it's over.  And nothing Bioware has ever said has been written in stone.  Why we continue stating our opinions is because we know they intend to try to sell us more.  If they continue to treat us like idiots though they are showing they don't want our money.

[Baa Baa]

kyban wrote...

They need to pay Drew Karpyshyn like 8 million big ones to come back and save this bad boy

Casey Hudson: We need someone to fix this for us...
Mac Walters hiding behind his desk, biting his fingernails: But who!?
Casey: We'll call.... Drew!
*Epic Drew montage song commences* Drew walks through the door wearing his black leather jacket, ripped apart jeans, a pair of aviators, and a seven foot long gold pen that he then uses to write the most brilliant ME3 ending.
Awesome.

[Oni Changas]

The Dark Energy plotline was a perfect one for Mass Effect. The mass effect itself causes it, what better way to end the series?

[my Aim is True]

KevShep wrote...

kyban wrote...

They need to pay Drew Karpyshyn like 8 million big ones to come back and save this bad boy

Yes there was acually a different plot line set up before Drew left for Star Wars. Then Casey H started writing it and through out ALL OF IT and in the process he made ME2s plot not contribute to ME3 at all! 

Are you talking Dark Energy plot?  From the statements he made I never got the feeling he had anything solid in place.

[3DandBeyond]

my Aim is True wrote...

KevShep wrote...

kyban wrote...

They need to pay Drew Karpyshyn like 8 million big ones to come back and save this bad boy

Yes there was acually a different plot line set up before Drew left for Star Wars. Then Casey H started writing it and through out ALL OF IT and in the process he made ME2s plot not contribute to ME3 at all! 

Are you talking Dark Energy plot?  From the statements he made I never got the feeling he had anything solid in place.

As I understand it-the choice would have come down to deciding to destroy the reapers (who could be killed with dark energy) and face destruction yourself or let the reapers live and have them destroy the dark energy.  I think it was something like that, but not sure.  Parts of it were left in and even Conrad Verner's appearance and help with the crucible is part of that original line of thought.  The crucible was in some backstory info, supposed to be a dark energy weapon (Conrad's help).  I think that there would have been more time to flesh it out and there were lots of hints at it as a solution.  And then there were actual other explanations as to what the reapers were and why.  Combining the two (reapers existence and then ways to solve them as a problem) at the end just mashes it all together-neither things fit with other things that were discussed in any credible way throughout ME.

[AtlasMickey]

Tazzmission wrote...

i hope they get her to do that deleted trial scene from the game regarding shepard

You know what? That would be REALLY interesting. You could have people arguing whether it was really Shepard on trial or whether she was a Cerberus drone who doesn't have any rights at all. In any case I'd really like to see what she could make of this missing trial story, whether for BioWare or in a fanfic.

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Whoa, I wonder what you're like about stuff you are a fan of.

0:)

[Oni Changas]

As I understand it-the choice would have come down to deciding to destroy the reapers (who could be killed with dark energy) and face destruction yourself or let the reapers live and have them destroy the dark energy.  I think it was something like that, but not sure.  Parts of it were left in and even Conrad Verner's appearance and help with the crucible is part of that original line of thought.  The crucible was in some backstory info, supposed to be a dark energy weapon (Conrad's help).  I think that there would have been more time to flesh it out and there were lots of hints at it as a solution.  And then there were actual other explanations as to what the reapers were and why.  Combining the two (reapers existence and then ways to solve them as a problem) at the end just mashes it all together-neither things fit with other things that were discussed in any credible way throughout ME.

Wat? Are you talking about RGB or the Dark Energy plot. The latter was mentioned a few times in ME1, and heavily in ME2 with the quarians and Legion.

[Galbrant]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I never enjoyed Star Trek, so no thank you.

[Asharad Hett]

oooohhhhhhh.... evilChris

twitter.com/MMSnodgrass/status/219191813267914753

[SpamBot2000]

Whoa!

[Galbrant]

Oh great now Chris is gonna put on his charms and indoctrinate her with his blue eyes of doom.

[Oni Changas]

Priestly doesn't indoctrinate. He locks down.