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[Volc19]

Everyone is quite willing to share their favorite and least favorite endings here, but I would like to learn a bit more. Explain what you think of each ending (Control, Synthesis, Destroy, and Refuse), and why you would or wouldn't pick it.

I'll start:

Destroy: What i would consider to be a neutral ending. Aside from the synthetic genocide, it's basically restoring the Galaxy to the state it was at before the Reaper invasion. Very little is gained, yet no gigantic changes are imposed. Also, Shepard lives, so that is kinda nice.

Control: My personal favorite, and what I would consider to be the best-case-scenario for the endings. The Reapers are being lead by the peacemaker of the Galaxy, the synthetics get to live, and the Galaxy has a guarding force against any future threats. The Leviathin DLC will likely make this ending less viable, what with a rouge Reaper simply shrugging off the Catalyst's control.

Refuse: If you discount comment made that say that this ending has the next cycle use the Crucible, which would make even Liara's beacon, alongside the death of our cycle, useless, Refuse is the anti-ender's perfect ending. Granted, it would be better if with an enourmous EMS rating conventional victory could be possible, however it still manages to give the Catalyst the finger and allows the next cycle to beat the Reapers on their own terms.

Synthesis: The... strangest choice of the bunch. Disregarding it's lack of foreshadowing, Synthesis violates the ME lore in a very odd way, somehow altering the basic building blocks of life so the lines between Synthetic and Organic blur. This will inevitably lead to cultural stagnation, seeing as Synthesis could be easily seen as what happened to the Collectors, who are a organic race which has had it's shortcomings replaced by tech. This choice brings about the death of culture and progression in the Galaxy.

Also, anyone here ever watch Gurren Lagann? Remember the Antispirals? The whole idea about them was that they ceased their evolution in fear of the impending "spiral nemesis." Sound familiar? In Synthesis you reach the apex (read:end) of evolution in fear of the impending technological singularity. Yup, Synthesis makes us Antispirals. Take that information however you choose to.

[Tealjaker94]

Destroy: "Victory, at any cost."
Control: "Heavy risk, but the priiiiize..."
Refuse: I think I'll stay on my moral high horse.
Synthesis: A fate worse than death.

[legion999]

Destroy: The original goal. At first I accomplished it. But upon reflection I realised the price was too high. The Reapers have wiped thousands likely even millions of species. I refuse to let another die to their insanity.

Control: Depends on whether I head canon it or not. Head canon I destroy the Reapers. Great. No unnecessary deaths.
However according to Bioware I now rule the galaxy as some galactic overlord/protector.
...Yeah, thanks but no thanks. I refuse to just repeat what the Reapers just did. Is it a lot less harsh? Yes. Does it also involve the same idea that we need Reaper intervention? Yes.
Again, no thanks.

Refuse: Again headcanon or not. Head canon, Shepard and the combined might of the fleets destroy the Reapers once and for all. Losses are staggering however. Numerous friends and allies die. But they die free. However in Bioware's version the next cycle instead uses the Crucible and wins. I'm fine with that. I just prefer to have the option to refuse and still beat the Reapers.

Synthesis: Just no.

[CronoDragoon]

Destroy: High sacrifice for doing what I think is the right thing by destroying them.
Control: Extremely interesting premise with interesting future consequences. Will do on my Renegade playthrough.
Synthesis: Regardless of moral view, it's just sort of a boring concept for me.

[jimjamalam22]

Destroy: you can commit genocide
Control: you can take away free will
Synthesis: you can force change
Refusal: ...this option just seems incomplete

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Control: I admire the ambition behind it, but the monumental responsibility coupled with the fact that Shepard is dehumanized and turned into an AI spells trouble, IMO.

Destroy: cop-out decision akin to hiding behind the krogan to win the rachni wars.

Refusal: I approve. The morons that choose this ending get what they deserve.

Synthesis: see sig quote. Though it actually originates with Control's ending, but I believe it is still applicable. We advance tens of thousands of years, and save the greatest number of people, among many other things. When all the nay-sayers can do is deny the positive outcome of synthesis presented to us, it just means that they're sore-losers, not people with any legitimate rationale worth listening to.

[Ticonderoga117]

Control: TIM's choice. I think TIM is a moron. Thus, a non-option.
Synthesis: Space Magic. Doesn't solve anything. Doesn't kill the Reapers. A non-option.
Refuse: Would be every sane Shepard's choice, except the devs hate us and didn't put much in this one. A meta-game non-option.
Destroy: The original goal with tacted on complications to make things "grim". The only option.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Destroy: Reapers dead, bright future, only valid option

Control: Man should not play at God

Refuse: Meh

Synthesis: Haha this is the funniest **** I have ever seen, its ridiculous. People would be better off dead then this.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:25 .

[Galbrant]

Destroy, committing genocide to save our own skin.But more of a gambler choice, per say I thought the catalyst was full of crap about killing the Geth and EDI, Its my second choice.

Control: Personally I don't have strong feelings about this one I originally thought this was a Indoctrination Trap, But with this much power it corrupts and If the Shepard A.I. faces loses from those who don't want to be push around paragon or not may have to resort to harvesting to replinish their numbers so This is my 3 option.

Synthesis: I don't want to even discuss this... Straight up conventional victory with powder and ball against the Reapers is more probable than this garbage.

Refusal... My personal favorite of the four despite it being a middle finger from Bioware. For once out of the ending debacle I truly felt I was playing Shepard. My Shepard The Shepard that stood what was truly the theme of Mass Effect:

"I fight for freedom; mine and everyone's. I fight for the right to choose our own fate. And if I die, I'll die knowing that I did everything I could to stop you. And I'll die free."

It rang true before I was trolled by the SO BE IT,

[saracen16]

Synthesis - a near-utopian ideal, sacrificing what we once were but becoming something else in the process. Can we embrace the change and survive it? I think, with our new capabilities, we can.

Control - do we run the risk of becoming an enlightened despot? I mean, sure, we ascend to godhood, merge with Helios, etc., but we lose the connection with our species.

Destroy - no guarantee that something as monstrous as the Reapers will never come back.

Refusal - chest-pounding, military bravado, complete lunacy. Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result, except that in this case, Shepard dies, sacrificing the lives of trillions in the galaxy for a short-lived moment of pride. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

[DRTJR]

Refuse: "I will not let fear compromise who I am."
Destroy: Reapers are dead. and the Geth can be rebuilt.
Control: UNLIMITED POWER!
Synthesis: Reapers win, everybody else loses.

[2Shepards]

This about sums it up for me

[C9316]

Destroy: I consider this to be the best ending out of the bunch. This was the original goal my shepard set out to do when the Reapers were discovered. It's a shame that the Geth and EDI end up being targeted by the crucible as well in this ending, but in the end it's a sacrifice that I feel is neccessary so the galaxy can have a future truly free from the reaper threat and where they can live on their own terms. What else should I feel bad about in this ending? The Genocide of the Reapers? Please...

Control: This ending to me just doesn't solve the problem that the Reapers bring to us, at best it just delays the inevitable. Shepard, the person is NOT in control of the Reapers an AI that just contains shepard's memories is. And seeing how the original Catalyst ended up believing that the only way have peace between oraganics and sythetics is to harvest all life before they reach the point of conflict what's there to keep this AI from coming to the same conclusion? Aside from that you're still living off the tech the reapers left behind, even with the advancements made you'd only be living how reaper tech directs you, blinding yourself to other ways of advancement.

Synthesis: This ending right here compromises everything the entire trilogy stood for. Cooperation, unity between many diverse races and people and how they drew strength from it. With this ending all that is washed away with some naive thought that forcing everyone to band under one doctrine is the best way to go. Plus this still leaves the Reapers in existence, in ME1 I'm sure you remember Sovereign mentioning that a reaper was the pinnacle of life, why are the reapers no longer hostile in this ending? Of course they wouldn't attack their own kind. Plus seeing how in this ending supposedly every problem we have in life is solved it could only bring stagnation, a constant moment of now due to no advancement being made once life reached a certain point. Life in itself is conflict, it drives us, overcoming it on our terms makes the hardships worth it. Take that away and what's the use of living.

Refuse: Bioware's 'F*ck you' need I say more?

[babymoon]

Destroy: Shepard and the galaxy's true goal. I don't really care about Starkid or his creator's "problem". I've seen firsthand that synthetics and organics can live peacefully together. And even if they can't, that is OUR problem to deal with, not the Reapers. Yes, the Geth and EDI are sacrificed, but it is the choice with the least amount of repercussions in the long run. It's a tough choice, but the right one. Reapers were a terrible idea created by a race that thought they could solve some problem that they believed plagued the galaxy. But it was not their right to force these Reapers upon us and that is why they MUST be destroyed.

Control: Reapers are still around, and Shepard goes against everything she's been fighting against, essentially saying lol I guess TIM was right lol even though I've seen firsthand how crazy he is lol. She is basically stuck being a new Catalyst? And hoping it goes right? No.

Synthesis: A gross violation against everyone in the galaxy. No matter how much "peace" it creates, every living thing  will basically think and feel the same. Life without conflict =/= a great life. Also, stagnation.

Reject: I don't believe this to be a f*ck you to the fans really. I mean, maybe it is, but I don't see it that way. I can understand why people would choose it, I might have chosen it as well if Destroy had not been an option, seeing as I don't trust Starkid at all.

Modifié par babymoon, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .

[clos]

2Shepards wrote...

This about sums it up for me

LOL, that's exactly how I feel. 

ME1: Epic
ME2: Intense and awesome
ME3: Garbage

[wantedman dan]

Genocide, Eugenics, Slavery, or Cowardice.

Take your pick.

[MegaSovereign]

Destroy: Victory/revenge with sacrifice. I think it's a valid choice. I wouldn't choose it for every playthrough, but it calms my nerves knowing that the Reapers are dead and I'm still alive.

Paragon Control: Lose everything I have to save the many. Help rebuild the galaxy. Become the guardian of civilization. Only con being is that I've become one with the enemy.

Renegade Control: Same as paragon, but with Hitler overtones.

Synthesis: If we'll inevitably reach synthesis, then it shouldn't be forced. It should be reached naturally. I will never choose this option.

Refusal: Probably the stupidest thing you could do. I wouldn't pick it even for my worst playthroughs.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .

[Eradyn]

Destroy: I like that Shepard can survive.  I don't like that you have to sacrifice an entire species and form of life to accomplish it.  You'd think it would be possible to fine-tune the Crucible to target the reapers.  I find it hard to believe that such an avenue couldn't be discovered.  Reapers have unique signals, for example, that could be exploited (like what happened with the signal between Sovereign and Saren) to bring them down.  Something like that.  It's definitely a very bittersweet ending, with an emphasis on bitter...but at least you can try to headcanon a happier ending between Shep and crew.  Pretty much the only ending that allows that.

Control: Lofty dialogue, sunshine and rainbows everywhere with ominous stormclouds on the horizon.  This one's just asking for trouble.  Doesn't really solve anything and involves a lot of brainwashing/indoctrination.  Implications...unpleasant.

Synthesis: Implications even more unpleasant.  Is practically vomiting rainbows and sunshine with a sideorder of kittens and cupcakes.  Space magic to the extreme.  Dialogue pushes the warm fuzzies, and so long as you try to not think too deeply on it, you can avoid most of the fridge horror.  Unfortunately, I thought a little too deeply on it.

Reject: Too short and shallow, but going in the right direction as an ending option.


This all said, I vastly prefer the endings as they are presented in the EC.  It's an improvement, but they still aren't anywhere near as good as the endings could have been.  Hopefully BW still has some tricks up their sleeves, however, because at least the EC provides a solid foundation for expansion.

wantedman dan wrote...

Genocide, Eugenics, Slavery, or [Principle].

Take your pick.

Fix'd.  It takes a lot of guts to stick to your guns and live or die by the principles of a people that would be free.  It would be a lot easier and a lot less courageous to just give in and do what the Starkid wants.

[RogueBot]

Sythesis: I felt bad for the husks, banshees, cannibals, etc., who have to live that way. 

Destroy: Having to sacrifice EDI and the Geth felt contrived.

Control: If Shepard has any sense of mercy, he'll steer those poor damned souls into the nearest sun and let them rest in peace. The idea of Shepard merging with abominations made from the melted-down goo of extinct species seems undignified.

Refuse: If it were in the game at release, it's what I'd have chosen without foreknowledge of the endings, as I obviously wouldn't know whether or not to trust the Catalyst.

Modifié par RogueBot, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[wantedman dan]

Eradyn wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Genocide, Eugenics, Slavery, or [Principle].

Take your pick.

Fix'd.  It takes a lot of guts to stick to your guns and live or die by the principles of a people that would be free.  It would be a lot easier and a lot less courageous to just give in and do what the Starkid wants.

Look, man. I completely agree with you. 

But the way Shepard goes out is cowardice, plain and simple. No rallying cry, no final remarks. Just... silence.

I... don't know.

[Alex_Dur4and]

Control: I don't believe it... I just don't! If you "download" your mind to the reaper collective... Adding a drop of water in an ocean is not going to matter in the long run! Reapers win!!!

Synthesis: Now that's RIDICULOUS!! It's completely absurd!! Again, I don't beleive it! Everyone becomes synthesised with reaper tech and vice versa? My car and toaster have feelings? WTF? Reapers win!!

Destroy: It's drastic, it's sad, it's horrible... Reapers lost but the price to pay was immense... Leaves me with a feeling of failure and guilt.

Refusal: The best choice! The worst ending! It could possibly be the best choice if war assets and N7 number would mean anything... Fail!!

[savionen]

Control: Seems like a good choice, but Shepard could just go all rogue AI 50 years from now and decide to kill everyone in the name of justice.

Destroy: The best option IMO, even with the genocide. The Reapers are dead for sure, the Catalyst is dead for sure, and I don't really buy into the idea that synthetics will destroy all organics in the first place.

Synthesis: Space magic, butterflies and rainbows. Reapers and humans dancing around together to "Do you believe in magic" in a field of flowers.

Refusal: Could have been awesome, but it just fades to black.

[Reptilian Rob]

All fall under "Which moral line are you willing to cross to end war."

As with all war.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[Eradyn]

wantedman dan wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Genocide, Eugenics, Slavery, or [Principle].

Take your pick.

Fix'd.  It takes a lot of guts to stick to your guns and live or die by the principles of a people that would be free.  It would be a lot easier and a lot less courageous to just give in and do what the Starkid wants.

Look, man. I completely agree with you. 

But the way Shepard goes out is cowardice, plain and simple. No rallying cry, no final remarks. Just... silence.

I... don't know.

Eh, I can agree with the sentiment, but I think the portrayal of the rejection ending has more to do with how BW took it than what Shepard did or didn't do.