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[gmboy902]

To be quite honest ME1 characters were eh. I couldn't help but not like Tali for defending her people to the death about killing the geth for what, realizing they were sentient? Ashley was racist, Kaiden was a whiney ****, Garrus wasn't quite as bro-fisty as in ME2/3 and keeps asking me to break the law because I can, as if to get back at his disappointment at law enforcement in C-Sec. To be quite honest, the only two really likeable characters (at least in the beginning) are Wrex and Liara.

By the way, Wrex brings me to another point. Cheesy voice-acting/scripts. When we talk about the genophage, he does the infamous "You don't have to face <dictionary definition of genophage>" that plagues bad scripts.

[Seifer006]

this thread has now become a joke. anyone who played ME1 & 2  know very well Characters are much better then DA 1 & 2

Show me a better Character from DA games

• Wrex
• TIM
• Garrus
• Zaeed
• Grunt
• Harbinger
• Miranda
• Jack
• Samara
• Thane
• Ashley ( ME1) not the ME3

I could continue

ME 1, 2 outbeats Dragon Age games....... now ME3 .......................................me3 needs to be erase

Modifié par Seifer006, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[txgoldrush]

mauro2222 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

WRONG

Its you who doesn't pay attention.

Tali gets NO real character development in ME1, THATS THE PROBLEM.

Wrex, in the war room, states that the Krogan must get past their warlike tendencies. Did you miss this? Eve wasn't there. Oh wait, even with Eve dead, in the ending, it shows the Krogan rebuilding....unlike his brother Wreav.

Gerrel was always a warlike child. ME3 is no change.

Udina is desperate, thats why he contacts Cerberus.

And how is TIM a retcon?...he is not. Try again.

Ashley is sexualized, her entire change goes against her character... are you dumb or what?

Wrex talks everysingle time about how they are going to restore their former glory and all that crap, Eve is the one calming him down... "Wrex..."

Gerrel hates the geth, he prefers war. That is translated to shoot shoot pew pew let's go to war with our crappy fleet sustained with duct tape?

The coup is stupid, Udina is an idiot in love of power, if he contatcs Cerberus or not that's not the point.

If I have to explain why Cerberus plot is stupid and goes against the previous Cerberus, then you don't pay attention at all... at all 

How does Ashley's "change" go against her character? Wow, she changed hairstyles.....like many women do.

Wrong, Wrex talks about it once, HOWEVER, he wants to do it diplomatically by asking the Council for a world. And once again, if Eve dies, Wrex stays peaceful. You are simply not paying attention. Eve speaks of th eglory of the ancients as well, doesn't mean being warlike.

Did you actually miss the part where Xen developed a weapon to stun the geth? Or the fact that Han thinks he can win because the geth deactivated?  Gerrel i swarlike because he thinks he can win. There is NO change from his character in ME2, as he was the most warlike on the Board.

Read the Codex, Udina takes part in a coup so he can take control of the council to force them to attack the Reapers on Earth because the Council is hesitant to send help. He is the same pro-human interest character he was throught the series.

Pay attention.

[txgoldrush]

Seifer006 wrote...

this thread has now become a joke. anyone who played ME1 & 2  know very well Characters are much better then DA 1 & 2

Show me a better Character from DA games

• Wrex
• TIM
  
• Garrus
  
• Zaeed
  
• Grunt
  
• Harbinger
  
• Miranda
  
• Jack
  
• Samara
  
• Thane
  
• Ashley ( ME1) not the ME3

I could continue

ME 1, 2 outbeats Dragon Age games....... now ME3 .......................................me3 needs to be erase

[*]Leliana and Varric matches them.

[N-Seven]

ME1: Hooked me in because it was something a little different, game-wise. Weird shooter-lite/rpg-lite hybrid game, in a space-opera, ala Star Trek or Babylon 5. It had great character design. Granted the whole 'most aliens are anthropomorphic with extra stuff on their heads' is a bit Trek-ish and cliche, but I loved it nonetheless. Liara just had a great....look. as did Garrus, etc. The mini-games were weak, and we didn't get a full fledged shooter or a full fledged FPS. But I loved it all the same, even with all the gameplay flaws and the cliched story. I love these 'galactic civilization' themes and I wish it showed up in games more often outside of 4X strategy games or Star Wars licenses. I even found myself surprisingly attached to my character and the romance stuff. Sadly to me, the most memorable dialogue came not from squadmates, but from the Ilos AI and from Sovereign.

ME2: My favorite of the series, probably because it had the largest cast of squad mates. As someone else said, ME2 focused on squad mates more, but the overall story was weak. I actually didn't mind though, as I don't find the whole overarching 'war vs machines' storyline very interesting. Rather I find the little character stories more interesting. You got this big, eclectic cast of characters banding together, and every mission felt like a TV episode uncovering more about each one. Story-wise it felt like a 'TV filler season', but the gameplay was a bit more refined. It was here where I really became a fan and became interested in the universe, and wanted to see more of it in future games.

ME3: Initially I was disappointed at how much smaller the cast was. But then I appreciated how great the dialogue was between Shepard and them. A big contrast from the first game. The overarching story finished kind of weakly, but I expected it. I kind of felt the writers had written themselves into a corner, which happens a lot it seems when you try to bite off more than you can chew. But again, I didn't mind too much because the personal stories are more interesting than the big ones. Kind of like how Star Trek isn't about the 5-year mission of the Enterprise, or the fate of the Federation, or anything of that stuff. You don't care about that. You care that Spock and Kirk are buddies and Bones just made a joke. I'm glad they got rid of the mini-games. And multiplayer? A nice surprise that I ended up playing more than I thought I would. I still boot it up every now and then just for fun. I'd also like to mention that I appreciated the treatment given to gay characters. I'm not gay but have friends who are, and one of whom is a rabid gamer and he expressed his appreciation of how 'normal' it seemed ME3. Good show.

My favorite video game series, in 25 years of video/computer gaming.  Has flaws though, some significant ones, both in storytelling and game play. But a lot of the things I love the most are flawed, heh.

Modifié par N-Seven, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:44 .

[LinksOcarina]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.

Then, you have no argument. So why should I believe you and not call you ignorant then? 

Hell, do one as an example. I have time and patience. Prove me wrong. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:40 .

[Mathias]

Seifer006 wrote...

this thread has now become a joke. anyone who played ME1 & 2  know very well Characters are much better then DA 1 & 2

Show me a better Character from DA games

• Wrex
• TIM
  
• Garrus
  
• Zaeed
  
• Grunt
  
• Harbinger
  
• Miranda
  
• Jack
  
• Samara
  
• Thane
  
• Ashley ( ME1) not the ME3

I could continue

ME 1, 2 outbeats Dragon Age games....... now ME3 .......................................me3 needs to be erase

[*]
[*]
[*]
[*]Sorry for bullets, the format got screwed up. I think Dragon Age Origins had characters on par with the ones from ME1, in fact i'd say slightly better for some of them. But to say Dragon Age 2 had better characters than ME1 and DAO is completely absurd. I don't care if it's just someone's opinion. Their opinion is so stupid it's offensive.

[LinksOcarina]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Their opinion is so stupid it's offensive.

classy.

I'm still waiting to hear why he thinks this. Saying he doesn't have the patience to explain it is so pathetic, especially when attacking everyone else for disagreeing.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:42 .

[Mathias]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.

Then, you have no argument. So why should I believe you? 

Hell, do one as an example. I have time and patience. 

I'm not having some kind of formal debate here, so i'm not obligated to give you a full explanation. Either deal with what i've given you or move on.

[gmboy902]

Kerasth wrote...

While I agree that the writing was pretty good at best, it was still better than ME3's. ME2 has the best writing IMO.

ME2's biggest flaw was really the uninteresting story. We just finished a game leaving us with an impending robot invasion, and now we're suddenly working with terrorists to stop colonists from being abducted? It wasn't that motivating.

But it did have great writing. Mass Effect 2's characters were top notch. You had Thane, who was more than just the typical "boom, headshot" assassin character. You had Morinth, who valued her code above her own family. Garrus became an amazing character. Even Joker turned from the pilot with a couple of one-liners to a fantastic bit of comic relief.

ME1 painted the characters poorly. There was not enough good to focus on, so you picked out their flaws. ME3 just didn't characterize enough (except EDI, who was exceptionally well done).

[Mathias]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Their opinion is so stupid it's offensive.

classy.

Don't give me that. You're acting like I actually called someone stupid rather than their opinion stupid. There's a clear line there and nothing meanspirited about it.

[Dusen]

ME1 obviously wasn't perfect, but I don't think the first one is really all that much of a plot hole. It's surely a stretch, but it really isn't a hole imo. First of all, no one outside the Normandy really believes Shepard's tales of the Reapers. The crew only listens because A) they're under orders, the protheans don't exist anymore for some reason, why is that?, C) Shepard, a well respected hero in his own right before the game, has had an experience with an alien obelisk that gives him visions of the Reaper's reaping of the Protheans D) Liara, through her Asari abilities sees that same vision through Shepard and D) Saren, a well respected SPECTRE, has mysteriously turned evil, while gathering the control of the Geth, and somehow collecting a massive space ship that just so happens to fit the bill of a supposed Reaper. Like I said, a stretch but no where near the level of bad writing as seen in ME3 imo.

[mauro2222]

txgoldrush wrote...

How does Ashley's "change" go against her character? Wow, she changed hairstyles.....like many women do.

Wrong, Wrex talks about it once, HOWEVER, he wants to do it diplomatically by asking the Council for a world. And once again, if Eve dies, Wrex stays peaceful. You are simply not paying attention. Eve speaks of th eglory of the ancients as well, doesn't mean being warlike.

Did you actually miss the part where Xen developed a weapon to stun the geth? Or the fact that Han thinks he can win because the geth deactivated?  Gerrel i swarlike because he thinks he can win. There is NO change from his character in ME2, as he was the most warlike on the Board.

Read the Codex, Udina takes part in a coup so he can take control of the council to force them to attack the Reapers on Earth because the Council is hesitant to send help. He is the same pro-human interest character he was throught the series.

Pay attention.

High heels, skirt... 3 tons of make up. Listen to her dialogue about armor, dates, and guess what... she talking about herself.

Once? ha yeah... he says it, he wants to act on it, and if Eve is dead you don't get any "rebuild" pic, that happened to me, you just get a bunch of krogans having babies. And is very clear of what glory Wrex is talking about.

Hmmm... yeah I forgot about that part, still doesn't change the fact that Gerrel is a cartoon, and tries to kill his friend daughter.

You're explaining me why Udina joined Cerberus, that's not the point nor does explain the idiotic plot of the coup.

Modifié par mauro2222, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:49 .

[txgoldrush]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

this thread has now become a joke. anyone who played ME1 & 2  know very well Characters are much better then DA 1 & 2

Show me a better Character from DA games

• Wrex
  
• TIM
  
  
• Garrus
  
  
• Zaeed
  
  
• Grunt
  
  
• Harbinger
  
  
• Miranda
  
  
• Jack
  
  
• Samara
  
  
• Thane
  
  
• Ashley ( ME1) not the ME3

I could continue

ME 1, 2 outbeats Dragon Age games....... now ME3 .......................................me3 needs to be erase

[*]

[*]

[*]

[*]Sorry for bullets, the format got screwed up. I think Dragon Age Origins had characters on par with the ones from ME1, in fact i'd say slightly better for some of them. But to say Dragon Age 2 had better characters than ME1 and DAO is completely absurd. I don't care if it's just someone's opinion. Their opinion is so stupid it's offensive.

[*]No, DAO's characters once again, lack character development. Its all explanation, but no show. And they are all a bunch of, once again, talking codex entries. Nevermind that DA2's cast is far more multidimensional and multifacted than DAO's and that the superior friendship/rivalry system of DA2 allows them more room to develop. Nevermind the fact that DA2's cast grow with eachother, unlike DAO static, non developing relationships. Isabela and Aveline, look how they become friends despite the fact they are complete foils. Nevermind also that DA2's cast factor strongly in the plot, unlike DAO, who only Alistair and Loghain matter......and nevermind the much stronger character missions of DA2, in which DAO only had three chats and a small quest........hell, DA2'c cast had three character missions each, more than ME2's cast did.

[LinksOcarina]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.

Then, you have no argument. So why should I believe you? 

Hell, do one as an example. I have time and patience. 

I'm not having some kind of formal debate here, so i'm not obligated to give you a full explanation. Either deal with what i've given you or move on.

Explain to me why Aveline is a bad character then? 

Deal with my questioning or move on. either way, you look foolish because you have no ****ing answer to give. That is clear as day.

You don't have to give a full explaination, but when you say something, back it up. Have balls to at least.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:48 .

[gmboy902]

And I'm just as guilty of looking at Mass Effect 1 through rose-colored lenses. It changed gaming for me. The cinematic style, the grandness of it. The opening scene was just impressive. As a prospective student in astrophysics, the detailed science (though impossible) and scale of the galaxy amazed me. I remember looking at that star map for the first time, gazing at the distant galaxies with the mellow-but-explorative music in the background and thinking about how even with this galactic community, they were still small fish in a cosmic ocean.

Mass Effect pulled all of the cliche sci-fi tricks, but it did them well. The problem was that things just felt forced. Shepard suddenly believes in the Reapers because he has to be the one to stop them. Liara believes him because she has to help. BioWare ignored bits and pieces of their own lore to advance the plot, and someone who takes an in-depth look at the codex and planet descriptions will notice that.

It was a great game. Were it not for the pretty flawed combat system (especially for low-armor classes like infiltrators), it would perhaps be better than ME3, but I'm not quite sure now. I'll have to play through all three to tell.

[txgoldrush]

gmboy902 wrote...

Kerasth wrote...

While I agree that the writing was pretty good at best, it was still better than ME3's. ME2 has the best writing IMO.

ME2's biggest flaw was really the uninteresting story. We just finished a game leaving us with an impending robot invasion, and now we're suddenly working with terrorists to stop colonists from being abducted? It wasn't that motivating.

But it did have great writing. Mass Effect 2's characters were top notch. You had Thane, who was more than just the typical "boom, headshot" assassin character. You had Morinth, who valued her code above her own family. Garrus became an amazing character. Even Joker turned from the pilot with a couple of one-liners to a fantastic bit of comic relief.

ME1 painted the characters poorly. There was not enough good to focus on, so you picked out their flaws. ME3 just didn't characterize enough (except EDI, who was exceptionally well done).

Javik, Liara, Cortez, and James also had very strong character development. Javik actually develops according to whether he touches the shard or not.

[Zero132132]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.

Then, you have no argument. So why should I believe you? 

Hell, do one as an example. I have time and patience. 

I'm not having some kind of formal debate here, so i'm not obligated to give you a full explanation. Either deal with what i've given you or move on.

Explain to me why Aveline is a bad character then?

Deal with my questioning or move on. either way, you look foolish because you have no ****ing answer to give. That is clear as day.

Don't feed the trolls. It just makes them associate humans with attention.

[Applepie_Svk]

ME1 was great - I played it over a dozen times spend a lot of hours and ME3 from story arc you can´t compare.
ME1 just set a pillars for great game series - races, places, background story, protagonist and antagonist - yes there was few problems but for first game it was best piece, from repleyability has a greater potential simply ME1.

Someone said that atmosphere in ME3 was greater, I can´t fully agreed because ME1 was first game and lot of stuff was simply limited by game engine and fact that was their first part.
Simply greatest moments where RPG and Film cut the lines was ME2 which bring storyteling to upper level, even if there are such moments it´s simply not enough to say yea ME3 is the top of series. 
I had simply higher expectations into ME3 as a final part of trilogy and these stayed empty and even destroy my relish for ME as a whole.

[LinksOcarina]

Zero132132 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.

Then, you have no argument. So why should I believe you? 

Hell, do one as an example. I have time and patience. 

I'm not having some kind of formal debate here, so i'm not obligated to give you a full explanation. Either deal with what i've given you or move on.

Explain to me why Aveline is a bad character then?

Deal with my questioning or move on. either way, you look foolish because you have no ****ing answer to give. That is clear as day.

Don't feed the trolls. It just makes them associate humans with attention.

But I like putting trolls in their place.

[Mathias]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

this thread has now become a joke. anyone who played ME1 & 2  know very well Characters are much better then DA 1 & 2

Show me a better Character from DA games

• Wrex
  
  
• TIM
  
  
  
• Garrus
  
  
  
• Zaeed
  
  
  
• Grunt
  
  
  
• Harbinger
  
  
  
• Miranda
  
  
  
• Jack
  
  
  
• Samara
  
  
  
• Thane
  
  
  
• Ashley ( ME1) not the ME3

I could continue

ME 1, 2 outbeats Dragon Age games....... now ME3 .......................................me3 needs to be erase

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[*]Sorry for bullets, the format got screwed up. I think Dragon Age Origins had characters on par with the ones from ME1, in fact i'd say slightly better for some of them. But to say Dragon Age 2 had better characters than ME1 and DAO is completely absurd. I don't care if it's just someone's opinion. Their opinion is so stupid it's offensive.

No, DAO's characters once again, lack character development.

[*]roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooofl

[thefallen2far]

Zero132132 wrote...

He isn't saying that ME3 is worse than ME1. There really is no compelling story arc in ME1, though, besides the main one, and you have to admit that every character is an expositional tool. The point isn't that one's better than the other, just that people shouldn't pretend that the series only started having problems in ME3.

No compelling storyarch?  The Red Sands storyline where you had to wipe out 2 warring gangs.  The blackmailed diplomat.  Zhu's hope.  The Zerta Corporation and its research.  The ships in space that were polluted by mutated zombies due to exposure to a mutagen.  The terrorist biotics that hijacked a freighter.  The research facilities that were researching rachni.  The abandoned outpost you had to save.  That time you were locked in a room with a nuclear device.  The pirates and smugglers.  The ancient prothean ruins.  Benezia [Liara's mother] sided with Saren [a Turian traitor turned traitor] who is building a geth army [a species of AI created by what is now a nomadic race] and trying to cure the genophage to rebuild the Krogan armies [who one of your team members desperately wants cured].  The artificial AIs that tried to kill you like on the moon and on the citadel.  The survivor that you had to save from herself.  I really have no idea what your arguement is.