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[Mr.House]

It was better written in terms of story then ME and ME3, with ME3 beating ME in terms of characters. Though ME's ending was the best. What's this ME2 peopel keep talking? Is that a spin off?

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:57 .

[LinksOcarina]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mass Effect 1 had flaws, yes. But at least it had a logical and sound plot, with relatively few plot holes.

ME3 however is like cheese, cheese with giant holes in it, like... Swiss cheese!

Um...the plot of Mass Effect 1 was that this guy named Shepard saw a vision of a machine-like race that would destroy the galaxy, and had to stop a rouge agent of the ruling galactic body from making these machines invade the galaxy because of said dream.

And add to that you eventually have a green alien give you a cipher to make sense of everything, a cipher that was taken from a mutant plant monster, to fight this said rogue agent who is breeding an army of mutant aliens to fight for him, and rallied robotic aliens to do the same. 

I'm not sure thats a logical plot insomuch as its a straightforward plot that uses plot devices to make everything fit together. It fits in the games universe, but so does Mass Effect 3's plot....

[Reofeir]

xsdob wrote...

Why does nobody recognize the rachni when there would have been technologically advanced enough to have pictures of the rachni easily available? What other race is composed of giant insectoid biotics bugs?

Collectors .

[txgoldrush]

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

[txgoldrush]

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Me1's writing > ME3's writing

sorry had to be said.

WRONG

ME3 portraying its characters as multifacted, multidimenisionl, and more "human" beings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ME1 treatement of characters as "talking codex entries".

Try Again.

Yeah, there was such depth with Alliance officials acting like five year old retards groveling at the feet of the player.

better than the talking codex entires ME1 treated its characters as.

[Seboist]

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Sexualization of Ashley, Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about the genophage, TIM implanting reaper tech in his head despite what was shown in "Retribution" , Udina with his idiotic "coup" and Gerrel turned into a gunho buffoon caricature.

[Mr.House]

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Hackett comes to mind about character assassination. Also Jacob who became even worse. One could also argue Legion though it's debatable.

[savionen]

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Sexualization of Ashley, Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about the genophage, TIM implanting reaper tech in his head despite what was shown in "Retribution" , Udina with his idiotic "coup" and Gerrel turned into a gunho buffoon caricature.

Aside from ^^^
Hackett turned into a moron. Tali turned into kind of a ****. Harbinger turned into a speechless puppet.

txgoldrush wrote...

However, the way the missions are set up in ME1, its a HUGE plot hole.

Why
the HELL would Shepard be doing other things when he is chasing Saren
and the Geth to stop their plans? You know, a race against
time...

ME2 and ME3 do the same thing. Although in ME2 you actually were taking your time before going through the Omega Relay. What's ME3's excuse?

Reapers are coming, lets go find this old man's wallet. You can say ME3's sidequests and fetch quests were more relevant to the plot, but they ultimately did significantly less for the player.

Modifié par savionen, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:06 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

txgoldrush wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Me1's writing > ME3's writing

sorry had to be said.

WRONG

ME3 portraying its characters as multifacted, multidimenisionl, and more "human" beings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ME1 treatement of characters as "talking codex entries".

Try Again.

Well naturally the character writing would get better overtime. I don't think that's what people mean when they say ME1 had better writing. On your point though a lot of people felt Ashley was much more bland in ME3. Her human nationalism and Christianity were definitely downplayed if not forgotten outright.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:04 .

[Seboist]

jreezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It was better written in terms of story then ME and ME3, with ME3 beating ME in terms of characters. Though ME's ending was the best. What's this ME2 peopel keep talking? Is that a spin off?

Lol, spin off. That's a good description of its story.

I've seen portable spin offs (ex: Resistance: Retribution) have more revelance to their franchises' story than ME2.

[Shaleist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

the reason Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series is the writing was focused on the best part of the series; the characters.

Seriously? You think a game that doesn't have an actual plot and largely revolves around the daddy issues of Shepard's goon squad makes a better game than a game with an actual story and plot?

I know I do.

[MegaSovereign]

chemiclord wrote...

No, ME1's writing really wasn't all that great.

It's called fans looking at the past through rose-colored glasses. They like ME1, so they gloss over its flaws. They don't like ME3, so they harp endlessly on those same flaws.

Human nature, really. You'll excuse the failings of a friend, but roast an enemy over the coals for those same failings.

This.

Just finished playing ME1 on PC. Great game but it's far from flawless. If I was half as critical on ME1's plot as some of the people here are on ME3's plot, I could write pretty lengthy thread on it.

[txgoldrush]

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Sexualization of Ashley, Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about the genophage, TIM implanting reaper tech in his head despite what was shown in "Retribution" , Udina with his idiotic "coup" and Gerrel turned into a gunho buffoon caricature.

How is Ashley sexualized? Wow...she changed her look, she must be sexualized. How is Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about th egenophage? Oh wait, last time I checked, he wasn't imperialist and respected the other races even giving Mordin credit to where its due, its pretty smart, and evidently puts the Krogan on the path of peace...unlike his brother Wreav. TIM does this so you know, he can control the Reapers BASED on his findings at Sanctuary.  Gerrel was gun ho in ME2...please, he is the same character. Its not like Udina wasn't desperate before....

Face it, they are pretty consistant.

[Binary_Helix 1]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mass Effect 1 had flaws, yes. But at least it had a logical and sound plot, with relatively few plot holes.

ME3 however is like cheese, cheese with giant holes in it, like... Swiss cheese!

Um...the plot of Mass Effect 1 was that this guy named Shepard saw a vision of a machine-like race that would destroy the galaxy, and had to stop a rouge agent of the ruling galactic body from making these machines invade the galaxy because of said dream.

And add to that you eventually have a green alien give you a cipher to make sense of everything, a cipher that was taken from a mutant plant monster, to fight this said rogue agent who is breeding an army of mutant aliens to fight for him, and rallied robotic aliens to do the same. 

I'm not sure thats a logical plot insomuch as its a straightforward plot that uses plot devices to make everything fit together. It fits in the games universe, but so does Mass Effect 3's plot....

ME1's plot was about the assault on Eden Prime and pursuit of a rogue spectre.

The stuff you refer to was mostly in the background until near the end.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:07 .

[Seboist]

savionen wrote...

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Sexualization of Ashley, Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about the genophage, TIM implanting reaper tech in his head despite what was shown in "Retribution" , Udina with his idiotic "coup" and Gerrel turned into a gunho buffoon caricature.

Hackett turned into a moron. Tali turned into kind of a ****. Harbinger turned into a speechless puppet.

I miss the ruthless and shady Hackett from ME1 that gave the impression he knew more that what he was letting on when he was manipulating Shepard to do his dirty work. Now, he's a generic quest giver and a moron who wants us to build a device nobody knows nothing about.

[txgoldrush]

MegaSovereign wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

No, ME1's writing really wasn't all that great.

It's called fans looking at the past through rose-colored glasses. They like ME1, so they gloss over its flaws. They don't like ME3, so they harp endlessly on those same flaws.

Human nature, really. You'll excuse the failings of a friend, but roast an enemy over the coals for those same failings.

This.

Just finished playing ME1 on PC. Great game but it's far from flawless. If I was half as critical on ME1's plot as some of the people here are on ME3's plot, I could write pretty lengthy thread on it.

THIS

Seriously....all Bioware game shave major plot problems at some level.

Try BGII: Throne of Bhaal, it has a MASSIVE plothole.

[LinksOcarina]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

the reason Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series is the writing was focused on the best part of the series; the characters.

Seriously? You think a game that doesn't have an actual plot and largely revolves around the daddy issues of Shepard's goon squad makes a better game than a game with an actual story and plot?

Yep.

Because I actually gave a damn about the characters. In Mass Effect 1 only three out of the six squadmates had a personality; Ashley, Wrex, and arguably Liara.

In Mass Effect 2, save for Zaeed and Kasumi because of the nature of the DLC (although they were good too in retrospect)  can you not say that all 10 squadmates had personalities that were not only interesting, but dynamic enough to be engaged in their plights.

The main story was largely absent in Mass Effect 2, but the bookends of that said story are still threadbare as they were in Mass Effect 1. So really, if you were to look at the plots of both games, there is no difference at all because the main plot is roughly the same length. The side stuff is what matters. Mass Effect 3 is different because the main plot finally takes precedence here. Is that good or bad? Well, up until the finale it seemed to work for most people so I guess it is a good thing.

Point is, the game does have an actual plot and purpose. You choose to ignore it because it suits your argument. 

[Jamie9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

ME1's plot was about the assault on Eden Prime and pursuit of a rogue spectre.

The stuff you refer to was mostly in the background until near the end.

Isn't that the reason people hate the Catalyst?

[Reofeir]

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

savionen wrote...

Sorry, nothing in ME1 even compares to the terribleness of ME3.

ME1 had some bad dialogue, I'm sure it had quite a bit, but nothing compares to the bad dialogue at the end of ME3, nor the amount of character assassinations that take place in ME3.

What character assassinations?

Wrong, they are pretty consistant to me...hell the fact that Wrex mentions the place where he killed his father shows the consistancy.

And the EC FIXED the bad dialogue with the Catalyst.

Sexualization of Ashley, Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about the genophage, TIM implanting reaper tech in his head despite what was shown in "Retribution" , Udina with his idiotic "coup" and Gerrel turned into a gunho buffoon caricature.

Ashley...I have no comment as I always kill her. Wrex wanted to cure the genophage when he knew there was a chance to at Saren's base (unless convinced otherwise by Shepard) so it didn't surprise me he wanted to cure it when a few of his people HAD the cure on them. I'd have to look at retribution about TIM. Udina made kind of sense, though we don't know every detail about him. 
Also Gerrel always seemed like that to me.  Zaal'Koris was the only sane one to me. Everyone there seemed like they wanted to fight geth head on no matter what besides him.

[savionen]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

savionen wrote...

Tali turned into kind of a ****.

Why do I have the feeling that I don't even want to know what word you typed?

Haha. I think it censors everything to 4 *'s.