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[txgoldrush]

mauro2222 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

How is Ashley sexualized? Wow...she changed her look, she must be sexualized.

This is proof you didn't pay attention to anything... in fact all your hate to ME1 characters comes from Tali liking to talk about her people.

txgoldrush wrote...
How is Wrex turned into an imperialist brute moron raving about th egenophage? Oh wait, last time I checked, he wasn't imperialist and respected the other races even giving Mordin credit to where its due, its pretty smart, and evidently puts the Krogan on the path of peace...unlike his brother Wreav.

If Eve is not there, Wrex plans on doing the same as Wreav. Where are you when the characters talk?

txgoldrush wrote...

TIM does this so you know, he can control the Reapers BASED on his findings at Sanctuary. 

Read the novel. Cerberus is by far the worst retconn, almost as bad as the Reapers one.

txgoldrush wrote...

Gerrel was gun ho in ME2...please, he is the same character.

He hates the geth, but how he acts in ME3, he's a child who acts bad because he wants to look bad.

txgoldrush wrote...

Its not like Udina wasn't desperate before....

Udina loves power, but he's no stupid... wait well in ME3 he is.

txgoldrush wrote...

Face it, they are pretty consistant.

Face it, you don't pay attention.

WRONG

Its you who doesn't pay attention.

Tali gets NO real character development in ME1, THATS THE PROBLEM.

Wrex, in the war room, states that the Krogan must get past their warlike tendencies. Did you miss this? Eve wasn't there. Oh wait, even with Eve dead, in the ending, it shows the Krogan rebuilding....unlike his brother Wreav.

Gerrel was always a warlike child. ME3 is no change.

Udina is desperate, thats why he contacts Cerberus.

And how is TIM a retcon?...he is not. Try again.

[LinksOcarina]

Evo_9 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Its like theres a bunch of "comic book guys" on this thread.

So we have gone from ME1 is an awesome game to its a piece of ****

lol

Cant wait for you guys to start up a development company, im sure you will release the most awrsomeness game there is!

whats holding you guys back, youre all experts! 

I write for a game website already, i'm good.

Plus I have always said Mass Effect 1 was a flawed game, so at least i'm consistant enough to stick by my opinions. 

Theres more money in software development, go for it! 

i have faith in you to create the best game in the world! 

I'm happy explaining why things are flawed and not as good as they should be, or why they are better than what people believe. 

Like a real game reviewer honestly, something IGN and Gamespot need to learn still. 

[txgoldrush]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
There was nothing flawed about the characters in Mass Effect 1. If Mass Effect's universe had been well established before the game came out, they would've been able to emphasize the character's personality a lot more. But regardless I played through that game knowing full well what each character was like. Bioware accomplished fleshing out each characters personality well. Granted they did a better job at it in ME2.

Also I wouldn't go as far as saying Bioware has improved their character writing since Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that.

Really? I thought the DA2 characters were far stronger than ME1 characters. Far far stronger.

FAR Stronger

DA2 characters has what ME1 characters don't.....character development.

DA2 characters crush DAO's as well.

[SuperVulcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, ME2/3 Tali/Garrus do make their ME1 incarnations look like cardboard cutouts by comparison.

And I agree, but let's not forget, Shepard was considered to be professional. You know what I mean right? The standards on the SR-1 were different. And Mass Effect 1 wasn't really focused on becoming friends with your squad as opposed to ME 2 or 3.

[English Cooper]

I am surprised at how many people seem shocked or angry about how flawed the storyline is in all three games..

let me explain, I think all 3 games were great from both a gameplay and writing point of view.. yeah they had thier flaws but name me one large story that has Zero flaws and I'll point you to a large story that doesn't exist.. Look at a book that is ALWAYS on the 'must read before you die' lists... Lord of the Rings.. Great book yes.. perfect No.. it's filled with enough plot holes that you could write an entirely new book detailing the plotholes.. Mass Effect (The trilogy) is no exception is it great yes.. perfect no

[LinksOcarina]

SuperVulcan wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, ME2/3 Tali/Garrus do make their ME1 incarnations look like cardboard cutouts by comparison.

And I agree, but let's not forget, Shepard was considered to be professional. You know what I mean right? The standards on the SR-1 were different. And Mass Effect 1 wasn't really focused on becoming friends with your squad as opposed to ME 2 or 3.

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

[Seboist]

txgoldrush wrote...

And how is TIM a retcon?...he is not. Try again.

TIM sure is brilliant wanting to kill all his loyal operatives from top scientists like Gavin Archer to lowly psychologists like Kelly Chambers.

[tobin1455]

Am I the only one that misses shepard and his crazy mako adventures. Also is it me or are the lip syncing and facial animations better in mass effect 1 then they are in mass effect 2 and 3.

[txgoldrush]

Seboist wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And how is TIM a retcon?...he is not. Try again.

TIM sure is brilliant wanting to kill all his loyal operatives from top scientists like Gavin Archer to lowly psychologists like Kelly Chambers.

I don't know...maybe because they turn on him.

Not hard to figure out.

[SuperVulcan]

Zero132132 wrote...

Yeah, that's been my take too. It actually makes the series 'work' if you think of it as one narrative. The first act sets up the setting. The second act focusses on character development. The third is the actualization of the main premise; that the Reapers are going to try to kill all of us.

Wrex was awesome, though. I think he was only written that way to give you an understanding of the genophage, and why it matters. Without Wrex, krogan would always be the mercs working for Saren, so the typical depiction of them as violent animals would seem far more apt. He was still an expositional device, and I almost think it was coincidental that you cared about him, just because his entire job was to make the Krogan seem a bit more... well, human.

Also...

"Shepard."
"Wrex."

I was actually thinking about that too, ME 3 to me falls flat as a standalone game but as a part of the trilogy as you describe it, it actually works. I suppose the lack of character development was put on hold for ME 2,

[txgoldrush]

LinksOcarina wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, ME2/3 Tali/Garrus do make their ME1 incarnations look like cardboard cutouts by comparison.

And I agree, but let's not forget, Shepard was considered to be professional. You know what I mean right? The standards on the SR-1 were different. And Mass Effect 1 wasn't really focused on becoming friends with your squad as opposed to ME 2 or 3.

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

ME1's Renegade and ME2's Renegade are highly flawed....ME3 had a much better written Renegade.

[SuperVulcan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

Of course, but I was referring to Garrus and Tali.

[mauro2222]

txgoldrush wrote...

WRONG

Its you who doesn't pay attention.

Tali gets NO real character development in ME1, THATS THE PROBLEM.

Wrex, in the war room, states that the Krogan must get past their warlike tendencies. Did you miss this? Eve wasn't there. Oh wait, even with Eve dead, in the ending, it shows the Krogan rebuilding....unlike his brother Wreav.

Gerrel was always a warlike child. ME3 is no change.

Udina is desperate, thats why he contacts Cerberus.

And how is TIM a retcon?...he is not. Try again.

Ashley is sexualized, her entire change goes against her character... are you dumb or what?

Wrex talks everysingle time about how they are going to restore their former glory and all that crap, Eve is the one calming him down... "Wrex..."

Gerrel hates the geth, he prefers war. That is translated to shoot shoot pew pew let's go to war with our crappy fleet sustained with duct tape?

The coup is stupid, Udina is an idiot in love of power, if he contatcs Cerberus or not that's not the point.

If I have to explain why Cerberus plot is stupid and goes against the previous Cerberus, then you don't pay attention at all... at all 

[Zero132132]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

Talking about "professional" dialogue options makes me think of Alpha Protocol. If only ME had its dialogue system instead of the inconsistent Paragon/Renegade options.

Massively underrated game, in my opinion. Only game I've played where decisions are more than aesthetic changes. They can alter gameplay and plot, and the game won't just throw in a suspiciously similar substitute if you kill someone off. You can actually miss even meeting some people.

It's a shame that people expected Splinter Cell. The game was an RPG, but it wasn't reviewed like one.

[Mathias]

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

[thefallen2far]

Okay.... I understand that people are upset about everyone making fun of the story design and the writing in Mass Effect 3, but making fun of the story of Mass Effect 1 to prove a point?

It followed every rule of RPG storytelling in a Science Fiction format. It displayed mystery, drama and explained the universe. It was organized, there was a final boss battle, there was resolution, there was a consistent corporate corruption, Zhu's Hope, it would introduce a concept and you're presented with this new creation in a realistic fashion i.e., the Krogan, the Genophage, the Racchni, the Quarian culture, Salarian fighters. The side missions were short, on your way, someone stops you and asks for help from the first human spectre, which was the best way of setting up the side quests IMHO. There was a heavy infusion of honor in diplomacy or being a heartless diplomat... I mean, if you're really trying to insult the story structure of Mass Effect 1 compared to Mass Effect 3, you're obviously can no longer defend ME3's plot devices.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[G02Guy4Tace]

I do agree there were several plotholes in ME1 but I still think the story itself was much better than ME2. Combat is a different story but I'll always prefer ME1

[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

Talking about "professional" dialogue options makes me think of Alpha Protocol. If only ME had its dialogue system instead of the inconsistent Paragon/Renegade options.

Bro, picking between space jesus and space troll is the epitome of a dialogue system.

[Mathias]

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
There was nothing flawed about the characters in Mass Effect 1. If Mass Effect's universe had been well established before the game came out, they would've been able to emphasize the character's personality a lot more. But regardless I played through that game knowing full well what each character was like. Bioware accomplished fleshing out each characters personality well. Granted they did a better job at it in ME2.

Also I wouldn't go as far as saying Bioware has improved their character writing since Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that.

Really? I thought the DA2 characters were far stronger than ME1 characters. Far far stronger.

FAR Stronger

DA2 characters has what ME1 characters don't.....character development.

DA2 characters crush DAO's as well.

ME1 didn't have character development? What are talking about? Of course it did, and now you're saying DA2 had better characters than DAO? Now i know you're crazy.

[Zero132132]

thefallen2far wrote...

Okay.... I understand that people are upset about everyone making fun of the story design and the writing in Mass Effect 3, but making fun of the story of Mass Effect 1 to prove a point?

It followed every rule of RPG storytelling in a Science Fiction format. It displayed mystery, drama and explained the universe. It was organized, there was a final boss battle, there was resolution, there was a consistent corporate corruption, Zhu's Hope, it would introduce a concept and you're presented with this new creation in a realistic fashion i.e., the Krogan, the Genophage, the Racchni, the Quarian culture. The side missions were short, on your way, someone stops you and asks for help from the first human spectre, which was the best way of setting up the side quests IMHO. There was a heavy infusion of honor in diplomacy or being a heartless diplomat... I mean, if you're really trying to insult the story structure of Mass Effect 1 compared to Mass Effect 3, you're obviously can no longer defend ME3's plot devices.

He isn't saying that ME3 is worse than ME1. There really is no compelling story arc in ME1, though, besides the main one, and you have to admit that every character is an expositional tool. The point isn't that one's better than the other, just that people shouldn't pretend that the series only started having problems in ME3.

[LinksOcarina]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

Zero132132 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Renegade options in dialouge are far from professional in Mass Effect 1.

Plus,Shepard can have a sexual relationship with a crewmember. Not very professional either...

Talking about "professional" dialogue options makes me think of Alpha Protocol. If only ME had its dialogue system instead of the inconsistent Paragon/Renegade options.

Massively underrated game, in my opinion. Only game I've played where decisions are more than aesthetic changes. They can alter gameplay and plot, and the game won't just throw in a suspiciously similar substitute if you kill someone off. You can actually miss even meeting some people.

It's a shame that people expected Splinter Cell. The game was an RPG, but it wasn't reviewed like one.

Se now, as a guy who does review games for a living, the overall experience for Alpha Protocol was really meh in the end. It was a broken game save for the dialogue system and the reflection of choices. Still a good game, but, like Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3, a flawed one.

If I was given the pleasure of reviewing Alpha Protocol I would give a 5/10 but a try it out recommendation. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[Mathias]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

@Everyone who thinks DA2 had better characters than ME1.

Nope.

Ok.

What is your argument against that stance?

If i were to explain how wrong that is i would have to go into a long winded and fully detailed explanation as to why that is. I can't just speak for all characters overall, i'd have to talk about each individual one to make my point clear and concrete. I currently do not have the patience or time for that.