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[nitefyre410]

And that's what was wrong with the Extended cut..

"you would not know them and there not enough time to explain"

Oh god damn it Bioware. 

"Thematic and Symbolic coherence are the project of narrative cohernence,  not subsitutes." 

^   This guy gets it ... why is it so hard for Mac Walters to understand.

If they wanted to the Crucible and the Catalyst  they should have set up with some DLC at the end of 2  

and made the entire plot of 3  about finding out more about what they are and the only thing that can explain is Prothean VI that is used as an excuse for us fight and lose to Kei Leng.
 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[DGMockingJay]

nitefyre410 wrote...

And that's what was wrong with the Extended cut..

"you would not know them and there not enough time to explain"

Oh god damn it Bioware. 

"Thematic and Symbolic coherence are the project of narrative cohernence,  not subsitutes." 

^   This guy gets it ... why is it so hard for Mac Walters to understand.

If they wanted to the Crucible and the Catalyst  they should have set up with some DLC at the end of 2  

and made the entire plot of 3  about finding out more about what they are and the only thing that can explain is Prothean VI that is used as an excuse for us fight and lose to Kei Leng.
 

Agreed. The crucible and Catalyst seems like a a corner cut to me. Something hat writers used so they dont have to think too much about how to extend the plot... But there is no place for those in the story.

[nitefyre410]

DGMockingJay wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

And that's what was wrong with the Extended cut..

"you would not know them and there not enough time to explain"

Oh god damn it Bioware. 

"Thematic and Symbolic coherence are the project of narrative cohernence,  not subsitutes." 

^   This guy gets it ... why is it so hard for Mac Walters to understand.

If they wanted to the Crucible and the Catalyst  they should have set up with some DLC at the end of 2  

and made the entire plot of 3  about finding out more about what they are and the only thing that can explain is Prothean VI that is used as an excuse for us fight and lose to Kei Leng.
 

Agreed. The crucible and Catalyst seems like a a corner cut to me. Something hat writers used so they dont have to think too much about how to extend the plot... But there is no place for those in the story.
 

 

its not that they're bad ideas its that they so poorly executed that it gives one a head ache.   They're actually  not  half bad ideas ... especailly the Crucible  as a Thanatos Gambit by the Creators of that Catalyst because they ran out time. The problem is these things take more than 10 minutes at the end of the game to set up.

We had Tuchunka, Surakesh , Mars,  Palaven, Rannoch, Thesia , the Citadel - we should have trying to find  Prothean archives from all over  Galaxy.   Holding off the Reapers, in a mad race to get this infromation before Cerebus  while  uniting the Galaxy.

ME 3 plot is very bare bones... but that all of Bioware's plots are very bare bones.. with a lot of side quest filler. 


Then add some romanitic subplots and the crew sub plots... easily  Game of Year if not game of the Decade... but Bioware rushed it and  did not take care that was needed. This is what we are left a pile of wasted potentail.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:44 .

[dorktainian]

nah ME3 sucks. Smudboy & this guy seem pretty spot on to me. The failings arn't only in the ending.

[The Angry One]

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

[Femlob]

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

[Peranor]

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

But...but... the starbrat makes the ending so deep and thought-provoking. What would the hipsters say if we were to remove their source of highbrow entertainment from the game?

Modifié par anorling, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[The Angry One]

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

Remember that interview where Walters went "We can't redo the endings because it wouldn't be our (i.e. my) story!".
Imagine that times 1000 in their offices. "My story! I decided! My vision!".

[Femlob]

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

Remember that interview where Walters went "We can't redo the endings because it wouldn't be our (i.e. my) story!".
Imagine that times 1000 in their offices. "My story! I decided! My vision!".

Aye, I remember.

What puzzles me is that Walters isn't in charge of the entire company. Surely there's somebody there who can overrule him...?

[M Hedonist]

Yes. I've always been saying the "there's no time" line was a cheap cop-out. If anything that's the real slap in the face the endings give you.
Plus, people really need to learn to headcanon. Especially those people who make threads where they basically depict their own fanfiction of the ending. I once even saw a thread where somebody outright said Bioware should adopt his headcanon. That's not going to happen, people. However, nothing anybody ever says on Twitter can take you your own headcanon. Because it's headcanon.

Modifié par Sauruz, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:05 .

[nitefyre410]

Sauruz wrote...

Yes. I've always been saying the "there's no time" line was a cheap cop-out. If anything that's the real slap in the face the endings give you.
Plus, people really need to learn to headcanon. Especially those people who make threads where they basically depict their own fanfiction of the ending. I once even saw a thread where somebody outright said Bioware should adopt his headcanon. That's not going to happen, people. However, nothing anybody ever says on Twitter can take you your own headcanon. Because it's headcanon.

 

^ This

because at  this point we are not going to get more  from Bioware that is going to correct the endings..  We are just not... so there is really no more use in fighting over it.

They are what they are... and that is it and what they are  Mass Effet 3 and the series itself is a bunch of wasted potential.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[The Angry One]

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

Remember that interview where Walters went "We can't redo the endings because it wouldn't be our (i.e. my) story!".
Imagine that times 1000 in their offices. "My story! I decided! My vision!".

Aye, I remember.

What puzzles me is that Walters isn't in charge of the entire company. Surely there's somebody there who can overrule him...?

I imagine only Hudson, the problem is Hudson seems to have bought the whole starbaby thing wholesale so there's nothing that can be done. With those two proclaiming that it must remain and that they'll solve it while keeping it.

The sad thing is, it worked. The EC has satisfied enough people to keep EA's stockholders happy, and that's all that matters. That ME3 remains a game with a horrible ending due to the spacebaby? They don't care, and Walters remains convinced he's a visionary artist.

[Femlob]

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

Remember that interview where Walters went "We can't redo the endings because it wouldn't be our (i.e. my) story!".
Imagine that times 1000 in their offices. "My story! I decided! My vision!".

Aye, I remember.

What puzzles me is that Walters isn't in charge of the entire company. Surely there's somebody there who can overrule him...?

I imagine only Hudson, the problem is Hudson seems to have bought the whole starbaby thing wholesale so there's nothing that can be done. With those two proclaiming that it must remain and that they'll solve it while keeping it.

The sad thing is, it worked. The EC has satisfied enough people to keep EA's stockholders happy, and that's all that matters. That ME3 remains a game with a horrible ending due to the spacebaby? They don't care, and Walters remains convinced he's a visionary artist.

Nobody to overrule Hudson, either?

Oh, well. It is what it is. All we can do is complain about it and hope somebody's paying attention.

[nitefyre410]

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Femlob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every ending edit out there that just cuts out spacebaby and replaces it with absolutely nothing are 500% superior.

Spacebaby taints the ending, it did so before and it does so now because of BioWare's insistence on keeping it. That is what will forever leave ME3 in the depths of mediocrity.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the EAWare offices.

Why are they so hell-bent on protecting this clusterf*ck? It's still hard to imagine that guys like Hudson and Walters have so much pull that they can go "neener, neener", make an entire series suffer for it and yet be supported for it every step of the way.

I'm usually not much one for conspiracy theories, but something's off here.

Remember that interview where Walters went "We can't redo the endings because it wouldn't be our (i.e. my) story!".
Imagine that times 1000 in their offices. "My story! I decided! My vision!".

Aye, I remember.

What puzzles me is that Walters isn't in charge of the entire company. Surely there's somebody there who can overrule him...?

I imagine only Hudson, the problem is Hudson seems to have bought the whole starbaby thing wholesale so there's nothing that can be done. With those two proclaiming that it must remain and that they'll solve it while keeping it.

The sad thing is, it worked. The EC has satisfied enough people to keep EA's stockholders happy, and that's all that matters. That ME3 remains a game with a horrible ending due to the spacebaby? They don't care, and Walters remains convinced he's a visionary artist.

 

The only thing you can do is not buy Bioware games anymore - thats the only thing any one of us can do. They are not going change  or removed the Catalyst. Its poorly executed, poorly explained but if they want to think and buy into IGN  bull**** perfect scores they can go right ahead.

I don't have to  pay 60 bucks it  and I won't

[The Angry One]

Of course I'm just guessing here, but as far as Hudson goes I'd say nobody can overrule him except EA execs and they were no doubt appeased by the reaction to the EC so as far as they're concerned, end of problem.

[Baronesa]

Someone could always make a mod and remove the stupid godchild from the end... that would make me very happy.

[nitefyre410]

The Angry One wrote...

Of course I'm just guessing here, but as far as Hudson goes I'd say nobody can overrule him except EA execs and they were no doubt appeased by the reaction to the EC so as far as they're concerned, end of problem.

 

Now when the see the sale numbers for DA 3.

Matter of fact, I willing to take a good hunch that Bioware is going to be doing a creative team of overhaul... did not  Mac Walters already get demoted?

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[The Angry One]

Baronesa wrote...

Someone could always make a mod and remove the stupid godchild from the end... that would make me very happy.

+1 million

nitefyre410 wrote...


Matter of fact, I willing to take
a good hunch that Bioware is going to be doing a creative team of
overhaul... did not  Mac Walters already get demoted?

Read rumours that the ME team already has a new lead writer? Not sure if true though, and far too late in any case.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:31 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Is ME3 Anakin Skywalker from the horrible prequel films? (Loved the Jedi action though...) was it supposed to be the end to all ends, the game to save gaming? I'd like to think it used to be, now it uses it's power to choke people with horrible writing...

[Aetas Mutuo]

My greatest lesson learned from all this mess: No more pre-orders or buying day 1 DLC. Wait until it has been out for a couple of weeks and see what happens... You may just be able to get it for a lot less money.

That is not just for BioWare games. That will be for all games for me from now on.

[eye basher]

another clown looking for views on youtube i'll pass.