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[BatmanPWNS]

Jacob, Thane and Morinth. (AKA most of the male LI's)

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[Sleepdribble]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

@BP93

Ashley has one extra full dialogue on the citadel which Kaidan doesn't have so that's why he gets that one.

Edit: But he does leave his room more often than Ashley.

Kaidan has conversations with Tali, Garrus and Liara, has a poker game with James, a chat with Adams in engineering and an indepth conversation with Shepard in the Crew Quarters about Cerberus. He also indicates that he's teaching Joker to play poker, looking for his Special Ops biotic squads and doing work on the side for the Council.

Ashley just gets drunk. They REALLY screwed Ashley.

Edited to add: You need to save the Turian Platoon/Turian Bomb missions until after you recruit Tali to get Kaidan's conversations with Tali and Garrus.

Modifié par Sleepdribble, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:44 .

[CHALET]

Giana Parasini doesn't even appear or get mentioned at all.

Kelly's romance was a joke. It seems to be a running theme that BioWare try to kill her off in various horrible ways just to say "WE DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE HER A ROMANCE. LET HER DIE! PLEASE!"

Emily Wong got killed off to make way for Snooki. As a few posters have said, if Diana Cashin wasn't included I don't think people would have as much of an issue with it, but it's the fact they purposely got rid of her to validate having that omni-tool licker in.

Modifié par CHALET, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:58 .

[Bocks]

Pretty much all the side characters.
All the new ME2 squaddies because "they could die".
Jacob in particular for his terrible treatment. Thane gets a significant mention as well.

The worst treated ME1 character though is a tie between Ashley and Tali. Ashley more so because of her idiotic redesign and atrocious writing in ME3. Tali for the laziest photoshop I've ever seen in my life.

You can enjoy ME3 all you want, guys, but it could have been so, so, so, so, SO much more than what we got, which was a lazy and hastily thrown together third person shooter which doesn't care about your choices.

Thanks EA.

[Mechler]

Well Kai Leng definitely did not show subtlety but was stil la formidable opponent.
KASUMI: Very short mission, easy to miss, is invisible for most of the playthrough, turned shallow and bitter for no reason at all.
Kal'Reegar: The biggest badass of the whole Quarian race. A very popular characetr who was rather vocally requested to be a squadmate. He jsut dies without any screentime.
Aria: Nothing about the Aleena plot. Not even half as powerful as before. Does not get revenge on Tim.
Speaking of which the Illusive Man himself. His end was so not-illusive man-ish. A confused, screaming cyborg. That ain't him,

[1upD]

Mechler wrote...

Well Kai Leng definitely did not show subtlety but was stil la formidable opponent.

His characterization (or lack thereof) made me laugh. Unfortunately he wasn't quite as funny in a so-bad-it's-good way as he was in Deception.

KASUMI: Very short mission, easy to miss, is invisible for most of the playthrough, turned shallow and bitter for no reason at all.

I didn't mind it that much. The encounter with the Hanar made me laugh out loud, at least. Yet I imagine fans of her character might be a little irked about how little screentime she got.

Kal'Reegar: The biggest badass of the whole Quarian race. A very popular characetr who was rather vocally requested to be a squadmate. He jsut dies without any screentime.

Aww... I remember getting really sad when I read that email. What did I do wrong!? Nothing. He just isn't in the game. How hard would it have been to fit him into Rannoch, even for a few seconds? It would have meant so much to ME2 players. I can only hope that DLC some day brings him back. Not likely.

Aria: Nothing about the Aleena plot. Not even half as powerful as before. Does not get revenge on Tim.

The unfortunate truth of Aria's subplot is that is must have been meant to be resolved with DLC. If it turns out the same way Lair of the Shadow Broker did, this might not be all that bad.

Speaking of which the Illusive Man himself. His end was so not-illusive man-ish. A confused, screaming cyborg. That ain't him,

Well, that was part of the plot. The Illusive Man was indoctrinated. I actually thought that scene was done pretty well, especially considering what (originally) came after it.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Of the minor characters? Probably all of those who were killed offscreen and/or weren't shown or mentioned at all or in any significant manner (read: almost all of them). Of the ME2 squad, Jacob. Of the entire series, the VS (especially Ash if Shepard is female).

[ENorman94]

CHALET wrote...

Giana Parasini doesn't even appear or get mentioned at all.

Kelly's romance was a joke. It seems to be a running theme that BioWare try to kill her off in various horrible ways just to say "WE DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE HER A ROMANCE. LET HER DIE! PLEASE!"

Emily Wong got killed off to make way for Snooki. As a few posters have said, if Diana Cashin wasn't included I don't think people would have as much of an issue with it, but it's the fact they purposely got rid of her to validate having that omni-tool licker in.

People come up with the funniest insults when trash talking Allers. I love it!

[WarGriffin]

TIM's fall into madness would have worked if Me3's start was soo rushed and you feel like you've missed a chunk of tuff.

TIM goes from a Plot within plot type of guy to having Cerberus wage guerilla warfare and undermine the alliance...

Undermining the alliance is counterproductive to his established character... and pulling the whole His indoctrinated from the start bit... well If being exposed = indoctrinated... Shepard's just as indoctrinated as TIM then with the whole 48 hours of exposure and harbinger being in your brain.

[themikefest]

Samantha Traynor no scene on the citadel with her femshep

[Dragon_Claw]

HagarIshay wrote...

Morinth.

100% true.

There is ZERO payoff if you pick Morinth over Samara.

(And those 2 emails dosen´t count).

[thearbiter1337]

Kasumi,Zaeed,Kal'Reegar,Emily Wong,Morinth, and Veetor

Hell Veetor didn't even show as a email

Kasumi was invisible 90% of the time and had a poor ass excuse to not join you 

Emily Wong was killed by Twitter and replaced by Snookis great granddaughter 

Morinth was turned into a generic Banshee

Poor Zaeed Got 5 minutes of screen time and if he dies his name doesn't even appear on the board

Modifié par thearbiter1337, 08 août 2012 - 05:33 .

[Masha Potato]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jacob.

The *fans* are to blame for that though. The constant bashing of Jacob after ME2 all but guaranteed that his role in ME3 would be small. I do feel sorry for the people who had him as an LI though, and who actually liked the character. They kind of got the shaft by virtue of a larger number of people disliking him.

Excuse me, but if the writers budge in to silly internet memes and lack the artistic integrity to follow through their own characters' stories - they're the only ones to blame for it.

And yesh, everyone got more or less screwed in ME3

[Terraforming2154]

Jacob (Romanced version), for being turned into an insulting stereotype.
Sure, he wasn't the most popular LI, but the decision to make him a cheater instead of varying the content was damn lazy.

Morinth, for being absolutely pointless.
If they didn't know what to do with her after ME2, they shouldn't have made her recruitable in the first place.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 08 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[wright1978]

Well while i'm very disappointed in Miranda's content..

Mr Jacob Taylor takes the prize for knocking up another woman if romanced. Really Bioware couldn't you have at least gone to the effort of having an alternative scenario where he doesn't knock up someone if romanced.

Morinth gets a notable mention for her lack of content in either game.

[Mavqt]

Morinth.

[shepskisaac]

Morinth and it ain't even a competition.

Jacob in romance department.

[LanceSolous13]

Masha Potato wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jacob.

The *fans* are to blame for that though. The constant bashing of Jacob after ME2 all but guaranteed that his role in ME3 would be small. I do feel sorry for the people who had him as an LI though, and who actually liked the character. They kind of got the shaft by virtue of a larger number of people disliking him.

Excuse me, but if the writers budge in to silly internet memes and lack the artistic integrity to follow through their own characters' stories - they're the only ones to blame for it.

And yesh, everyone got more or less screwed in ME3

Yeah....

If a character is underappreceated, DON'T screw those who do appreceate him.

I would argue that Thane got worse Treatment than Jacob. Jacob atleast recognises the relationship. Patrick Weekes stated that they forgot Thane was an LI or could have been one of Shepard's best friends. Also, Jacobmancers can hate Bryn. They can make her out to be the she-devil and blame her for this mess in-universe.

Thane? All we can blame is Shepard, avatar of ourselves, for not intervening... Shepard can't even mourn their lover. And, right after, Kaidan and everyone else will start hitting on her. :,( "Kaidan, I JUST WATCHED MY BOYFRIEND DIE AND YOU WANT TO HIT ON ME?!"

[shepskisaac]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I would argue that Thane got worse the Treatment than Jacob.

No, just no. I get taht Thane fans ain't happy but it's nothing like Jacob situation

Modifié par IsaacShep, 09 août 2012 - 12:56 .

[HK-90210]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I would argue that Thane got worse Treatment than Jacob. Jacob atleast recognises the relationship.

While I can see where you're coming from Lance, I vehemently disagree. I don't consider, "I...we..", "Did you expect me to wait forever?", "Yeah, I'm happy, and it's out here too. When you want it." as aknowledging the relationship. The only time the relationship, as it actually was, is acknowledged by anybody is in the same dialogue as when Dr.Cole shoves it in the player's face that she's a better person for Jacob, despite saying that he still loves her.

Really, I can't imagine a way that Bioware could have made the ending of the Jacob romance any worse, and I mean that sincerely. If he was killed off Kal'Reeger-style, it couldn't have been worse. If he had turned out to be a Reaper husk from the moment you met him in ME2, it couldn't have been worse.

Thane, for all the flaws in his romance in ME3, lets you know that he cared for Shepard and that the relationship meant something to him. "I've missed you, Siha." is better than anything Jacobmancers got. His romance wasn't given enough, no, and there sure as hell wasn't near enough of a chance for Shepard to say anything in relation to it. But at least Thane waited six godamn months.

I still refuse to accept that Jacob in ME3 is the same guy from ME2 when romanced. Just as I'm sure you feel the same about Thane, given your(perfectly valid) arguement that Thane stiall wanted to live at the end of ME2, and wasn;t nearly as at peace with his death as ME3 showed, at least when romanced. Neither of them make sense as characters if romanced. But Thane makes a little more sense than Jacob, IMO.

Edit: Also, as for someone, in-universe, to blame for Thane's deat, Kai Leng seems to be the pretty clear choice. At least the palyer gets the chance to say "That was for Thane, you sonofa****!". Jacobmances don't get anything like that for themselves. All they get is Dr. Cole trying to name the damn baby after them. Just another case where Bioware dropped the ball.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 09 août 2012 - 01:17 .

[Wattamelun]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

The issue there comes down to that they had a perfectly well loved by the fanbase Reporter from ME1 who was never brought up again and then we're given a brand new Reporter Character voiced by a real life "reporter" (debatable) with a HORRENDIOUS VO Job that is almost unanimously hated by the entire fandom and a "Love Interest" (debatable), the shallowest of ALL the Romances.

Looking at only Emily Wong's Twitter Death, she goes out killing a Reaper. Not the greatest exicution of such a death but I've seen much worse before.

Add in Allers and I get a really bad taste in my mouth.

So, no. Emily Wong got the worst. She didn't get sidlined or treated horribly, SHE GOT REPLACED.

+1. This one bugs me the most by far. This was one of those moments to really do something interesting for ME fans Bioware missed.

Other characters getting shafted:
-Rana Thanoptis would have been a really good payoff if it wasn't done via email and she actually detracted somehow (like -5 war assets).
-Kal'Reegar could have at the very least replaced the dying guy on Rannoch.
-Morinth could have... done anything. At all. I didn't even save her and this one bugs me.
-Jacob went from the boy scout to the worst possible romance option. I guess he didn't feel like "the prize" was worth it after all.

I really feel like Bioware could have added so much to this game if they just gave it another year. There were just so many missed opportunities to do things that would really impress their fans. I think they got too wrapped up in "appealing to a broader audience." Still a great game, though.

[Emeraldfern]

A lot of characters got shafted in ME3.
From the minor ones such as Emily Wong (Death by twitter...ouch) and Kal'Reegar (An email? What the...?) to Squadmates/LI's.
The previous ME2 squadmates who got the shortest sticks were Thane, Jacob, and Morinth.

Morinth - Becomes a Banshee of zero importance. (I didn't like Morinth personally, but that was too harsh)

As for Thane's and Jacob's roles in ME3, they are like a rotten apple and a rotten orange, both leave an extremely vile taste in your mouth.

The question is which was the vilest one.
 
Ymmv on that one, and for me it's a very close call, but Jacob's got it worse.
Mainly for the same reasons CastonFolarus pointed out above.

True, Thane does at least wait and doesn't say things like "Your only love is the Normandy".
(Although the unexplainatory reversal to "I'm totally cool with dying again" does suck royally)

On the other hand in Thane's case, it is Shepard who is acting like the relationship means nothing and that stings a lot to the player.
Bottom line is that none of the characters above deserved what happened to them, nor did their fans.

[Massa FX]

Femshep and Jacob romance hurt. Jacob dumps Shepard after 6 months separation making him a player and not the man of integrity he was shown to be in ME2.

[LanceSolous13]

CastonFolarus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I would argue that Thane got worse Treatment than Jacob. Jacob atleast recognises the relationship.

While I can see where you're coming from Lance, I vehemently disagree. I don't consider, "I...we..", "Did you expect me to wait forever?", "Yeah, I'm happy, and it's out here too. When you want it." as aknowledging the relationship. The only time the relationship, as it actually was, is acknowledged by anybody is in the same dialogue as when Dr.Cole shoves it in the player's face that she's a better person for Jacob, despite saying that he still loves her.

Really, I can't imagine a way that Bioware could have made the ending of the Jacob romance any worse, and I mean that sincerely. If he was killed off Kal'Reeger-style, it couldn't have been worse. If he had turned out to be a Reaper husk from the moment you met him in ME2, it couldn't have been worse.

Thane, for all the flaws in his romance in ME3, lets you know that he cared for Shepard and that the relationship meant something to him. "I've missed you, Siha." is better than anything Jacobmancers got. His romance wasn't given enough, no, and there sure as hell wasn't near enough of a chance for Shepard to say anything in relation to it. But at least Thane waited six godamn months.

I still refuse to accept that Jacob in ME3 is the same guy from ME2 when romanced. Just as I'm sure you feel the same about Thane, given your(perfectly valid) arguement that Thane stiall wanted to live at the end of ME2, and wasn;t nearly as at peace with his death as ME3 showed, at least when romanced. Neither of them make sense as characters if romanced. But Thane makes a little more sense than Jacob, IMO.

Edit: Also, as for someone, in-universe, to blame for Thane's deat, Kai Leng seems to be the pretty clear choice. At least the palyer gets the chance to say "That was for Thane, you sonofa****!". Jacobmances don't get anything like that for themselves. All they get is Dr. Cole trying to name the damn baby after them. Just another case where Bioware dropped the ball.

Oops. What I meant to say that "One could argue" rather than I would argue. My appologies.

Anyways, I completely believe that Jacob and Thane are on par with eachother, just in very different departments.

Jacob recognises the romance - Thane doesn't
Jacob cheated on Fem!Shepard - Thane remained true to her
BOTH are derailed from their character development in ME2