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Yeah you can't evolve into a single gendered race. The mechanism of evolution itself requires both gendered intact. But it is completely believable that a race might involve as either mono gendered, hermaphroditic or asexual. Thing is a mono gendered male set up is pretty unlikely as who is going to carry the babies or even lay the eggs? Almost any mono gender would be by definition female. Not because they are biologically female but because lets face it when it comes to reproduction womens bodies to most of the work. It is quite feasible that male functionality gets integrated into the female gender. However to be able to nurse/lay eggs/carry a fetus to term we would have difficulty calling the body male in any way anymore.

Huh? WTF are you on about?

For the record, as for mono-gendered species we're nearly there; we can create viable zygotes without male cells - you still need a lab (not sure if that counts as "evolution" - after all, we've evolved to be sufficiently intelligent to do stuff like that in a lab)

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DistantUtopia wrote...

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Gay Race was cancelled, Cortez insisted on using a shuttle rather than doing it on foot.


Now that was funny.


+1. Hilarious

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Technically there is no such thing as a "Gay race". It would simply be a mono-gendered species that would likely reproduce asexually.

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Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Modifié par Gamescook, 04 août 2012 - 02:04 .


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They could be dancers like the asari are. They could work at Chippendales.

They'd have to compete with Vega.

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Gamescook wrote...

Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Krogan and Salarian Females  almost never  leave their planets 

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

Yeah you can't evolve into a single gendered race. The mechanism of evolution itself requires both gendered intact. But it is completely believable that a race might involve as either mono gendered, hermaphroditic or asexual. Thing is a mono gendered male set up is pretty unlikely as who is going to carry the babies or even lay the eggs? Almost any mono gender would be by definition female. Not because they are biologically female but because lets face it when it comes to reproduction womens bodies to most of the work. It is quite feasible that male functionality gets integrated into the female gender. However to be able to nurse/lay eggs/carry a fetus to term we would have difficulty calling the body male in any way anymore.

Huh? WTF are you on about?

For the record, as for mono-gendered species we're nearly there; we can create viable zygotes without male cells - you still need a lab (not sure if that counts as "evolution" - after all, we've evolved to be sufficiently intelligent to do stuff like that in a lab)

Gender and sex are completely different.  Gender is a social construct and personal identity.  Sex is genotype and phenotype.  Gender is irrelevant to reproduction.

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MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Krogan and Salarian Females  almost never  leave their planets 


And sure the Drell are rare. But Turians? Batarians?

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The asari (who were originally going to be green) were conceptualized as a tribute to old-fashioned space babes in retro sci-fi. The designers probably skimmed some articles about parthenogenesis and figured they wouldn't need to design male models (not that kind) for asari. All the implications of that were secondary.

The problem now with creating a male asari type race is that it could easily come across as contrived and as some kind of marketing ploy rather than a natural development. Don't misunderstand me; I would be happy for them to include such a race, but only if Bioware can do it properly.

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Gamescook wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Krogan and Salarian Females  almost never  leave their planets 


And sure the Drell are rare. But Turians? Batarians?

meh batarians are considerd rare too

Turians is valid though, Lazy i dont think  so, cheap might be a better word. we could of atleast talked to one on a phone or some thign

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Bioware made a race of thousand year old blue amphibian lesbians that can have sex with anyone, but where is the race of flamboyantly gay red reptiles? Would anyone want a squadmate like that to keep STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE company?


Hahaha. Hiding in the closet system maybe?

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Putting aside the fact that if an entire race is a single gender, then that gender is neither male nor female, a race that is the opposite of the asari in practice could be doable.  Just reverse most of the things that asari do, and it works.  It would be stupid, and the implications would be darker than with the asari, but it could work.

Essentially, have them be able to impregnate anyone (instead of being impregnated by anyone) via mental link.  The problem with this is that it almost seems like implanting a parasite rather than making a baby, especially if the partner is an alien male, or a female that doesn't give live birth.  It would also rather defeat the purpose of making an all male race, since the defining characteristic of males is the genetalia.  This hypothetical race wouldn't need it (like the asari don't need pleasure centers on their genetalia, it's all for the baby's benefit, not the partner's), and thus they would appear to be neuter to the naked eye.

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To be cynical for a bit, seeing as how Bioware isn't above copying and pasting character assets (e.g. Dr. Chakwas and Dragon Age II's Leandra having supermodel bodies) I don't quite understand how they couldn't just make a female Turian, and have her show up for even one story segment. They did the same with Eve and the Salarian Dalatrass, and only in the last of three whole games.

It feels silly, like they're making new story elements of monogenderism and "they don't leave the home planet that it just so happens you'll never visit" for the sake of excuses rather than be in service to weaving a good yarn. It's effectively a new take on that mysterious girlfriend your friend says he met at a summer camp across the border who's totally gone all the way with him.

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wizardryforever wrote...

Putting aside the fact that if an entire race is a single gender, then that gender is neither male nor female, a race that is the opposite of the asari in practice could be doable.  Just reverse most of the things that asari do, and it works.  It would be stupid, and the implications would be darker than with the asari, but it could work.

Essentially, have them be able to impregnate anyone (instead of being impregnated by anyone) via mental link.  The problem with this is that it almost seems like implanting a parasite rather than making a baby, especially if the partner is an alien male, or a female that doesn't give live birth.  It would also rather defeat the purpose of making an all male race, since the defining characteristic of males is the genetalia.  This hypothetical race wouldn't need it (like the asari don't need pleasure centers on their genetalia, it's all for the baby's benefit, not the partner's), and thus they would appear to be neuter to the naked eye.

They wouldn't have to impregnate with telepathy though.  They could inject the parasite like the Wasp Spider does, and let the baby grow inside and feed upon the host until the larvae can chew their way out with mommy's dying breath.

Or, daddy's dying breath, I suppose, as long as enough larvae are hatched to replace him.

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MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Krogan and Salarian Females  almost never  leave their planets 


And sure the Drell are rare. But Turians? Batarians?

meh batarians are considerd rare too

Turians is valid though, Lazy i dont think  so, cheap might be a better word. we could of atleast talked to one on a phone or some thign

I believe they specifically said it was because they couldn't figure out how to make them attractive.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Gamescook wrote...

Did Bioware have legitimate reasons to not making a single female character model for whole four races of people, or were they just SUPREMELY lazy in that regard?

Krogan and Salarian Females  almost never  leave their planets 


And sure the Drell are rare. But Turians? Batarians?

meh batarians are considerd rare too

Turians is valid though, Lazy i dont think  so, cheap might be a better word. we could of atleast talked to one on a phone or some thign

I believe they specifically said it was because they couldn't figure out how to make them attractive.

It is hard to do without boobies and skin, but that didn't stop them from making a female krogan.

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...By putting a krogan model in a giant burqa. "Attractive" really shouldn't be requisite for an alien species.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

...By putting a krogan model in a giant burqa. "Attractive" really shouldn't be requisite for an alien species.

I don't know if that attractiveness thing is true, though.  It was likely said that they didn't know how to make them recognizably female, so they didn't try.  About the only thing that would make any sense for most of these species is to maybe make their figure slightly slimmer and change the way they walk/stand.  Maybe reduce or remove the fringe for the turians.  Other than that, they wouldn't be able to conform with what we would recognize as a female without being stupid.

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wizardryforever wrote...

I don't know if that attractiveness thing is true, though.  It was likely said that they didn't know how to make them recognizably female, so they didn't try.  About the only thing that would make any sense for most of these species is to maybe make their figure slightly slimmer and change the way they walk/stand.  Maybe reduce or remove the fringe for the turians.  Other than that, they wouldn't be able to conform with what we would recognize as a female without being stupid.

I'll have to dig up the video, but the implication was, in fact, attractiveness. The idea that females of an alien race would have to conform to "what we recognise as female" is already inherently idiotic. Assuming that the average ME fan is too thick to pick up the difference between male and female voices, sexual dimorphism in this context would be quite hard to miss. The salarians, for example, are amphibious organisms that lay large clutches of eggs at a time. Since they are an r-selected species, female members are likely to be significantly larger than the males are to accommodate the strain of brooding (this could also apply to the krogan). Drell are reptilian, so perhaps drell women are generally of subdued colour, are thinner and taller, and lack a dewlap. Turians are based on birds of prey, so it's unlikely the males would be significantly larger than females, but ramping down the head fringe (or mandibles) is more than sufficient to indicate sex. There's no need to add ****** and lipstick. It's not that hard.

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Also, there are male asari they are just rare

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Loooooooool.

#146
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lol we might get a DLC for this

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Random Jerkface wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

I don't know if that attractiveness thing is true, though.  It was likely said that they didn't know how to make them recognizably female, so they didn't try.  About the only thing that would make any sense for most of these species is to maybe make their figure slightly slimmer and change the way they walk/stand.  Maybe reduce or remove the fringe for the turians.  Other than that, they wouldn't be able to conform with what we would recognize as a female without being stupid.

I'll have to dig up the video, but the implication was, in fact, attractiveness. The idea that females of an alien race would have to conform to "what we recognise as female" is already inherently idiotic. Assuming that the average ME fan is too thick to pick up the difference between male and female voices, sexual dimorphism in this context would be quite hard to miss. The salarians, for example, are amphibious organisms that lay large clutches of eggs at a time. Since they are an r-selected species, female members are likely to be significantly larger than the males are to accommodate the strain of brooding (this could also apply to the krogan). Drell are reptilian, so perhaps drell women are generally of subdued colour, are thinner and taller, and lack a dewlap. Turians are based on birds of prey, so it's unlikely the males would be significantly larger than females, but ramping down the head fringe (or mandibles) is more than sufficient to indicate sex. There's no need to add ****** and lipstick. It's not that hard.

There's also the deal with salarian and krogan women being rare.  We see a few, but not enough to justify going to the trouble to make whole new models for them.  If they were more prevalent, then they would do it, likely along the lines of what you're saying.  I do feel like they have no real excuse for the turians, though.  Considering how many turians we see in all three games, but especially ME3, they could have put forth the effort to make female turians.  Making new models for the ladies would likely spur the devs to include them in more places, so that they make good use out of the resources spent making the model. 

The main problem is that while these may have some vague analogue with Earth species, they're still supposed to be aliens.  And humanoid aliens at that.  Part of the reason why so many of the aliens are humanoid is so that you will see them as people, and not animals at the zoo.  The other part is because humanoid models are easier to animate for combat.  I don't think anyone is saying that they need to add "****** and lipstick," but to keep them relatable, they needed to make them female-looking from a human point of view.  After all, a lot of people can't tell the difference between sexes of many of the species that the aliens are supposedly based on, so it's fair to assume that a lot of people wouldn't be able to tell sexes apart for these aliens either, unless they made them more humanlike.

I get what you're saying, but I feel like coming up with a whole new model, rather than trying to use one of the old ones and modify it, may simply have not been important enough to actually do.

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Technically, Asari are omnisexual, not lesbians.

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High ludicrousity factor here. Yes, that's my word.

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To be fair Asari aren't actually female, they're "mono-gendered" as Liara puts it "male and female have no real meaning for us."