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[Reptilian Rob]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Destroy is the only option where you don't look like a giant douche or doom the galaxy to live in fear/a new age of eugenics.

Or pick reject, in which case Shepard sacrifices the entire galaxy so he/she can keep his/her morals intact. What an ****.

Or reject because you have no reason to trust the kid?

I have no reason to not trust him (besides the fact he's a Reaper but **** it at that point), and I'm not going to sacrifice the entire galaxy so I can be morally sound. So selfish.

But you're not rejecting him to be morally sound, you're rejecting because hes the enemy.

A means to an end, I'm willing to use any tool I have to end it. He gave me three options, him being the enemy, Destroy. 

SO rejecting the enemy is entirely selfish, but betting the fate of the galaxy to a glowing child that just told you controlled the reapers because he may or may not have provided a tool is not?

What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

[The Angry One]

InannaAthanasia wrote...

I don't love any of them, although the new EC makes it somewhat better. My hard save was destroying, but I do think synergy is cool. Would it be the morally right one to pick, probably not, but it doesn't change the fact I think it was cool. As a long term student with a lot of degrees in my past, I love knowledge and archeaology is a past time of mine. So the idea of being able to speak to someone who saw it ( I know, they destroyed it, but thats not the point) would be cool. I just think how it was written and what EDI said was very neat and I enjoyed it greatly. I also felt the emotional way of her saying she was now alive thanks to Shep was cool too. If you continued to help EDI her find free will and even love with Joker and helped her to grow, it just seems very emotional that SHep allowed for her to truly be alive,

Hey, accessing the knowledge of the Reapers would be great and all but not this way, the price is too high.
Everybody has to be remade in their image so they find us acceptable.
There's something fundamentally wrong about that.

Also, the whole point of EDI is that she was already alive because of how you helped her. She doesn't need synthesis to make her a "real girl", that defeats the whole point. Why do you need organic bits to be "alive"?
Mass Effect has always shown us how beings can be intelligent and alive regardless of their physical makeup.

It's not only a bad choice, it goes against the themes set by ME, that's why I could never pick it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

[Reptilian Rob]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

In either option, you have no way of trusting him. For all you know refusing him meant that he would do far worse things than just kill everyone...Oh wait he does, he harvests them. 

I can't trust him either way, I can only choose...

The Catalyst is a proxy, nothing more. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

In either option, you have no way of trusting him. For all you know refusing him meant that he would do far worse things than just kill everyone...Oh wait he does, he harvests them. 

I can't trust him either way, I can only choose...

The Catalyst is a proxy, nothing more. 

You're avoiding the question because you know you are wrong.

The opposite of what you said can be true, you don't know what the catalyst is beyong what he told you, which is that he controls the reapers, with reject you can do what ME always did before this **** ending, find another way. 


Also dont you dare say you dont know if there is another way when you are putting blind faith into star kid.

[liggy002]

leonia42 wrote...

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

The Crucible itself and the Reapers giving in to their own destruction.  The Control and Synthesis endings.  It's a wonder that I didn't believe they were real... they ARE to good to be true.  Leaving the endings as they are with no IT extension, yeah...... it's just not good.

[Reptilian Rob]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

In either option, you have no way of trusting him. For all you know refusing him meant that he would do far worse things than just kill everyone...Oh wait he does, he harvests them. 

I can't trust him either way, I can only choose...

The Catalyst is a proxy, nothing more. 

You're avoiding the question because you know you are wrong.

The opposite of what you said can be true, you don't know what the catalyst is beyong what he told you, which is that he controls the reapers, with reject you can do what ME always did before this **** ending, find another way. 


Also dont you dare say you dont know if there is another way when you are putting blind faith into star kid.

Ok, let me put blind faith in my crippled fleet instead. :/

It's a game, you know how it ends I don't make assumtions like this in a game where I already know the conclusion. There are no right choices or wrong choices in the game anyway, it's just which moral line of yours you are personally willing to cross to justify an end to the war. 

And again, I'll answer your question. I don't know if I can trust him, and I don't know if I can't not trust him. What I do know is there are four options avaliable to me, each crossing a moral line.

For me, I cross into destroy and never look back. Is it the right choice? Nope. Is it the wrong choice? Certainly not. It's just the means to an end, simple as that. 

War is never based on trust, it's based on deception. Or at least that's that history will tell you, but really it's just men and women who want an end to it while the greater forces of the world (universe in this case) sit back and watch the choas. That is what Starkid seeks to correct, after all...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

In either option, you have no way of trusting him. For all you know refusing him meant that he would do far worse things than just kill everyone...Oh wait he does, he harvests them. 

I can't trust him either way, I can only choose...

The Catalyst is a proxy, nothing more. 

You're avoiding the question because you know you are wrong.

The opposite of what you said can be true, you don't know what the catalyst is beyong what he told you, which is that he controls the reapers, with reject you can do what ME always did before this **** ending, find another way. 


Also dont you dare say you dont know if there is another way when you are putting blind faith into star kid.

Ok, let me put blind faith in my crippled fleet instead. :/

It's a game, you know how it ends I don't make assumtions like this in a game where I already know the conclusion. There are no right choices or wrong choices in the game anyway, it's just which moral line of yours you are personally willing to cross to justify an end to the war. 

And again, I'll answer your question. I don't know if I can trust him, and I don't know if I can't not trust him. What I do know is there are four options avaliable to me, each crossing a moral line.

For me, I cross into destroy and never look back. Is it the right choice? Nope. Is it the wrong choice? Certainly not. It's just the means to an end, simple as that. 

War is never based on trust, it's based on deception. Or at least that's that history will tell you, but really it's just men and women who want an end to it while the greater forces of the world (universe in this case) sit back and watch the choas. That is what Starkid seeks to correct, after all...

Well you're argument is metagaming.

Also the question was never about ti being the right choice or not, the question was about the selfishness of choice, the correct answer is that it is much more selfish to put blind faith in a....wait for it.....reaper.

[DGMockingJay]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

Human Sperm after Synthesis.. Dont tell me it doesn't looks awesome..

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...


What can I say, the bet payed off. 

People died and an entire speices was eliminated...But that's the price of any war. I'm not willing to bet on my onderpowered fleet, either. Especially when I know it means every speices is doomed, not just the Geth.

You didn't answer the question, you had absolutely 0 way of knowing what any of those things would do, for all you knew jumping into a beam would release a beam that destroyed all organics, Shepard drops his speech about his or her morals AFTER you shoot the catalkid not before, you aren't rejecting based on your morals, you are rejecting because you aren't going to trust the LEADER OF THE REAPERS.

so..l ask again, rejecting the leader of the reapers is entirely selfish, but betting the galaxy on a glowing child that just admitted to controlling the reapers, on a whim, is not?

In either option, you have no way of trusting him. For all you know refusing him meant that he would do far worse things than just kill everyone...Oh wait he does, he harvests them. 

I can't trust him either way, I can only choose...

The Catalyst is a proxy, nothing more. 

You're avoiding the question because you know you are wrong.

The opposite of what you said can be true, you don't know what the catalyst is beyong what he told you, which is that he controls the reapers, with reject you can do what ME always did before this **** ending, find another way. 


Also dont you dare say you dont know if there is another way when you are putting blind faith into star kid.

Ok, let me put blind faith in my crippled fleet instead. :/

It's a game, you know how it ends I don't make assumtions like this in a game where I already know the conclusion. There are no right choices or wrong choices in the game anyway, it's just which moral line of yours you are personally willing to cross to justify an end to the war. 

And again, I'll answer your question. I don't know if I can trust him, and I don't know if I can't not trust him. What I do know is there are four options avaliable to me, each crossing a moral line.

For me, I cross into destroy and never look back. Is it the right choice? Nope. Is it the wrong choice? Certainly not. It's just the means to an end, simple as that. 

War is never based on trust, it's based on deception. Or at least that's that history will tell you, but really it's just men and women who want an end to it while the greater forces of the world (universe in this case) sit back and watch the choas. That is what Starkid seeks to correct, after all...

Well you're argument is metagaming.

Also the question was never about ti being the right choice or not, the question was about the selfishness of choice, the correct answer is that it is much more selfish to put blind faith in a....wait for it.....reaper.

He's not a Reaper, he's an AI proxy. He controls the Reapers, he isn't A reaper. He is the program to a solution, nothing more. 

Again, semantics. You could say he is a Reaper, or he isn't. All I know is I want him dead. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .

[Inanna Athanasia]

Not that I believe this, but some thoughts to chew on.....

We don't know who made the reapers and we have no idea how many there really are. We assume all of them come at once to destroy organics, however it could be many are waiting back so that IF something bad were to happen to some of them, more could finish the job. It is a possibility. If so, then the only way to be sure that the cycle would truly be broken forever would be to chose synergy.

Not that I really believe that. But just something a friend of mine and I were discussing last night.

When all is said and done, its just a game and one of things that make it a good game is the wide range of how you wish to sculpt your Shep. I was happy with the new EC DLC because the different stories in what came later. Morally right and such doesn't matter. Its all fiction and its just a matter of having fun and experiencing all aspects of the game, which means many different games and trying lots of different choices. I happen to think the synergy option was cool and worth checking out. I think it was creative in how they did it and if someone hasn't tried it yet, its worth checking out.

[KingZayd]

The Angry One wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I have no reason to not trust him, and I'm not going to sacrifice the entire galaxy so I can be morally sound. So selfish.

Um. It's a Reaper.

This is one reason I wish IT was true, (the other being that at face value, the ending is rubbish). Before ME3, I wouldn't have believed Bioware would be able to get players to trust, and even agree with the Reapers.

[Anthropophobic]

The Angry One wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I have no reason to not trust him, and I'm not going to sacrifice the entire galaxy so I can be morally sound. So selfish.

Um. It's a Reaper.

He's indoctrinated.

[zambot]

Synthesis can mean whatever you want it to mean.

The writers meant for it to mean a transhumanist utopia.
TheAngryOne thinks it means doom and facism.
I think it means rainbows and unicorns.

The point of a silly space magic ending that has no narrative coherency, is that it can pretty much be whatever you want.

[inko1nsiderate]

The Angry One wrote...

Jonata wrote...

You are a horrible person.

Sad is the day when one who desires that evil not be victorious is called horrible.

It is just a video game. The evil you are fighting doesn't even exist.  Fighting imaginary evils is called being crazy.

[SMichelle]

Tigerman123 wrote...

It's quite strange that the Catalyst lives in synthesis while Shepard doesn't

Yes.  Strange indeed. 

[Inanna Athanasia]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Jonata wrote...

You are a horrible person.

Sad is the day when one who desires that evil not be victorious is called horrible.

It is just a video game. The evil you are fighting doesn't even exist.  Fighting imaginary evils is called being crazy.

Now THIS made my day.....got to be one of the funniest responses I have heard in awhile